Resipsa131 wrote: »Console user so I can't check DPS - I am using Structured Entropy prior to Soul Harvest or Smiting Dawnbreaker and simply firing Spectral Bow as soon as it procs.
From what I gather its a better DPS rotation to get the empower buff prior to firing Spectral Bow, this might make Shooting Star more attractive as an ultimate than Smiting Dawnbreaker.
kylewwefan wrote: »I enjoy reading this, but on console we have no way of knowing our DPS. You can only see weapon or spell power. Most of those buffs like savagery or berserk are only during battle. It very hard to stop fighting and look at character stats sheet while in battle. Seems like highest weapon power is around 4,000 ish.....how do you get 20,000 DPS with such lower weapon or spell power?
@Vorcil Running divines and thief is fine, and you'll notice a bit of a bump once you get willpower jewelry. Here's what you want to shoot for, depending on race, gear, etc., it may be easier or more difficult to get there:
- You want a magicka pool of at least 40k.
- As you already noted, you want to get your end-game gear; in the interim, it is most important that your WEAPONS are VR16, nirnhoned, and gold. Your armor piece upgrades can wait.
- You want to enchant at least 2 of your jewelry glyphs for spell damage. You'll be relying on your siphoning attacks, potions, teammates, etc., to help with sustain.
- If you want to maximize DPS, use spell power pots instead of entropy/sap for your sorcery buff. Generally speaking, it's a DPS loss otherwise. That said, if you don't want to spend money/resources, you can keep using a skill-based sorcery buff rather than use potions on CD. Even without potions, and depending on the quality of your group, you should still be able to get 20k+ without ultimate on shorter fights (e.g., crem guards in vWGT).
- Your rotation largely consists of applying your DoTs and using funnel as your bread-and-butter, and proc'ing assassin's will when it becomes available (your Minor Berserk buff should *always* be up) until the executes phase. Typical DoTs for a magicka NB include working the following into your rotation: Path of darkness (twisting is better for DPS, but refreshing is also decent), Wall of Elements, Shades (Dark Shades is better generally for PvE, but Shadow Image is decent if you already use that for PvP), Cripple.
- Prior to starting your executes phase in earnest, use Soul Harvest for the damage buff.
darkdivideb16_ESO wrote: »Quick question, do you clip crippling or refresh it as soon as it drops for max dps? I'm guessing clip.
darkdivideb16_ESO wrote: »Quick question, do you clip crippling or refresh it as soon as it drops for max dps? I'm guessing clip.
This is correct (and not only because I learn how to siphonblade from him). Hitting 20k dps consistently without the perfect race is also very hard. I'm a Khajiit, I can hit 20-22k on short fight (e.g., Crematorial Guard), but most fight I'm between 15-18k. Using the spell power pot will help, as it lets you put another DOT instead of Structured Entropy, I plan to test Wall of Elements. Lastly, practice your rotation, get a buff tracker. Don't re-apply DOT before they run out, you'll lose the last tick.
Also buffs from other group members help push your dps higher, e.g., spell power cure buff, Aggressive Horn. When you see those extremely high NB dps (some exceeding 30k), you can be pretty sure that the group keep up Aggressive Horn and SPC almost 24/7 and that they're running spell power pots.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »darkdivideb16_ESO wrote: »Quick question, do you clip crippling or refresh it as soon as it drops for max dps? I'm guessing clip.
What do you mean by "clip"? Animation cancel?
I just reapply it when it ends... Im on pc so I can use an addon called "Srendarr" to see the timer.
This is correct (and not only because I learn how to siphonblade from him). Hitting 20k dps consistently without the perfect race is also very hard. I'm a Khajiit, I can hit 20-22k on short fight (e.g., Crematorial Guard), but most fight I'm between 15-18k. Using the spell power pot will help, as it lets you put another DOT instead of Structured Entropy, I plan to test Wall of Elements. Lastly, practice your rotation, get a buff tracker. Don't re-apply DOT before they run out, you'll lose the last tick.
Also buffs from other group members help push your dps higher, e.g., spell power cure buff, Aggressive Horn. When you see those extremely high NB dps (some exceeding 30k), you can be pretty sure that the group keep up Aggressive Horn and SPC almost 24/7 and that they're running spell power pots.
Well, there's actually 1 more factor, and its the second dd in your dungeon team.
Because if he/she pulls over 20k dps, fights become shorter, and its easier to reach these 30k.
Hovewer, if he/she is sitting at 8-9k, boss fight take longer and your dps can drop. I usually start at higher than 30k, then my dps drops a bit (because I'm a bad dd and always screw up rotations), then goes up during the execute phase. But when another dd is good, my dps loss between initial burst and execute is much lower, so overall dps is higher.
In other words, its easy to pull 30k (and even more), when another dd also does 30k.
But 20k is not hard to reach imo. I had a wood elf nb mage before I leveled a breton, and was able to do 27-28 without much problems (but that was with guildies who use spell cure). In pugs, my dps doesnt drop below 20k even if a healer doesnt give a fluff about my buffs and sustain.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »darkdivideb16_ESO wrote: »Quick question, do you clip crippling or refresh it as soon as it drops for max dps? I'm guessing clip.
What do you mean by "clip"? Animation cancel?
I just reapply it when it ends... Im on pc so I can use an addon called "Srendarr" to see the timer.
This is correct (and not only because I learn how to siphonblade from him). Hitting 20k dps consistently without the perfect race is also very hard. I'm a Khajiit, I can hit 20-22k on short fight (e.g., Crematorial Guard), but most fight I'm between 15-18k. Using the spell power pot will help, as it lets you put another DOT instead of Structured Entropy, I plan to test Wall of Elements. Lastly, practice your rotation, get a buff tracker. Don't re-apply DOT before they run out, you'll lose the last tick.
Also buffs from other group members help push your dps higher, e.g., spell power cure buff, Aggressive Horn. When you see those extremely high NB dps (some exceeding 30k), you can be pretty sure that the group keep up Aggressive Horn and SPC almost 24/7 and that they're running spell power pots.
Well, there's actually 1 more factor, and its the second dd in your dungeon team.
Because if he/she pulls over 20k dps, fights become shorter, and its easier to reach these 30k.
Hovewer, if he/she is sitting at 8-9k, boss fight take longer and your dps can drop. I usually start at higher than 30k, then my dps drops a bit (because I'm a bad dd and always screw up rotations), then goes up during the execute phase. But when another dd is good, my dps loss between initial burst and execute is much lower, so overall dps is higher.
In other words, its easy to pull 30k (and even more), when another dd also does 30k.
But 20k is not hard to reach imo. I had a wood elf nb mage before I leveled a breton, and was able to do 27-28 without much problems (but that was with guildies who use spell cure). In pugs, my dps doesnt drop below 20k even if a healer doesnt give a fluff about my buffs and sustain.
That's true about the point with the other dd pulling enough dps to make the fight shorter and harder to screw up (yesterday, we pulled thru Elden Hollow final boss with only a single fire spit lol).
I still couldn't get to 20k+ consistently for any fight lasting longer than 20-30 seconds. Are you running pot build (I'm not, I know this will probably add at least 2-3k of dps)? What kind of gear were you running? Curious to see what I can improve personally.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »
What do you mean by "clip"? Animation cancel?
I just reapply it when it ends... Im on pc so I can use an addon called "Srendarr" to see the timer.
Resipsa131 wrote: »Console user so I can't check DPS - I am using Structured Entropy prior to Soul Harvest or Smiting Dawnbreaker and simply firing Spectral Bow as soon as it procs.
From what I gather its a better DPS rotation to get the empower buff prior to firing Spectral Bow, this might make Shooting Star more attractive as an ultimate than Smiting Dawnbreaker.
I play Magblade as my main now and prefer it to my sorc. I run 2 Molag Kena, 5 TBS/SPC, a Maelstrom staff and Torugs Pact swords.
Staff:
Merciless Resolve
Elemental Blockade
Crippling Grasp
Inner Light
Funnel Health
Shooting Star
Dual Wield:
Siphoning Attacks
Impale
Dark Shades/Proximity Detonation
Inner Light
Sap Essence
Soul Harvest
You can build ultimate crazy fast with sap essence and soul harvest. If you drop a shooting star and switch to dual wield before it hits you will gain the ultimate from shooting star and the 10 ultimate from each mob killed.
Just keep working on your rotation, be smart about it, don't just drop this, this and this. Use the passives to your advantage.
My rotation is normally something like this:
Buff merciless resolve, siphoning attacks and proximity detonation. Cripple, light attack, elemental Blockade, light attack, Funnel Health, light attack, Funnel Health, light attack (molag kena and merciless Resolve are procc'd by now) drop your shooting star and use the empower to buff your merciless resolve. Go back and reapply your dots and buffs.
Molag Kena will help alot with your damage, as long as you can sustain it, it will stay up 70-80% of the time and a funnel health between light attacks still procs it.
I did my first make shift dps test on ps4 the other day with my friend tanking bloodspawn and a stopwatch on my phone. I pulled just shy of 22k with the tank debuff. Not sure how well this stacks up to the 32k+ you see from the top raiders with all the group buffs active but I was quite pleased.
My biggest piece of advice is practise your rotation and annimation cancelling. The numbers will creep up as you get more consistent.
If you're interested in a build, Mashinate's thread on tamriel foundry is very good and is currently being updated for the thieves guild patch.
Forgot to add, try and and proc kena before you use soul harvest to buff your execution phase.
Sorry, didn't realise this was an old thread, it popped up at the top of the general discussion so thought it was very recent.
Shader_Shibes wrote: »I don't understand how your stats are so low? My v3 magblade has same spell power and magicka, with 80+ cp's
Shader_Shibes wrote: »I don't understand how your stats are so low? My v3 magblade has same spell power and magicka, with 80+ cp's
I'm on 36k magicka and 3k spell power buffed nowstill not pulling the 35k dps I've seen in some magblade vids in trials, but doing okay
Sorry, didn't realise this was an old thread, it popped up at the top of the general discussion so thought it was very recent.
It will always be relevant though;
One question I have right now is which CP line to take advantage of?
Elemental increases magic damage;
where spell pen or spell crits I'm unsure about.
Right now I'm full CP in magic damage


timmayyyboy wrote: »Resipsa131 wrote: »Console user so I can't check DPS - I am using Structured Entropy prior to Soul Harvest or Smiting Dawnbreaker and simply firing Spectral Bow as soon as it procs.
From what I gather its a better DPS rotation to get the empower buff prior to firing Spectral Bow, this might make Shooting Star more attractive as an ultimate than Smiting Dawnbreaker.
I always use entropy before shooting the assassin's will bow or using ice comet. It makes a huge difference in the damage just those 2 abilities will do. Basically the only time i use entropy is wheni have it procced and ready to fire, by the time i rebuff and do 4 attacks and everything my entropy has just ended and ill have to rebuff it.
http://www.latenighteso.com/builds/magicka-nb-pve-guide/You need to get your Magicka up. A solid MageBlade build will have 40K+ Magicka.
What race are you?
Also, are you using Merciless Resolve?
Imperial
Yes my current PvP skill set is:
Structured Entropy, Cripple, Swallow Soul, Merciless Resolve, Inner Light
Running Torug Pact Hat, with Fire destro Torug pact staff front bar, torug pact staff resto back bar; (both staves have penetration on) will try with nirnhoned
Okay will try my best to hit up to 40k magicka, and retry
eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO wrote: »Yeah i have the same problem, my race is Kahjiit and will only be able to hit 37-38k mag.