Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Well,you seem to think that PC users arent in the game or even a part of the achievement crowd.So,you still cant say you know all the stats regarding this.Those are only partial numbers without the addition of PC players.Let me know when you have found those numbers please.

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Well,you seem to think that PC users arent in the game or even a part of the achievement crowd.So,you still cant say you know all the stats regarding this.Those are only partial numbers without the addition of PC players.Let me know when you have found those numbers please.

First off I am a PC player for ESO and I will go as far to say one of the longest running players. So I speak from the PC point of view. I know Xbox because I came from Xbox. If that clarifies some of your issue with me. There is no way to give exact numbers and you know that so quit trying to pin me down with frivolous queries. How about you give me your credentials that shows your expertise in the matter. How long you have collected across how many platforms for how many years with how much game time on ESO. Let us see if you are qualified to make any type of judgement. Go look for yourself how those platforms work, sign up on these sites and interact with the community, make friends and acquaintances in game that collect and then poll users in game to see how they feel. At this point you are just sniping and nothing short of your own investigation will suffice for you. I have given you resources to look at now go do your due diligence.

nordsavage wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Well,you seem to think that PC users arent in the game or even a part of the achievement crowd.So,you still cant say you know all the stats regarding this.Those are only partial numbers without the addition of PC players.Let me know when you have found those numbers please.

First off I am a PC player for ESO and I will go as far to say one of the longest running players. So I speak from the PC point of view. I know Xbox because I came from Xbox. If that clarifies some of your issue with me. There is no way to give exact numbers and you know that so quit trying to pin me down with frivolous queries. How about you give me your credentials that shows your expertise in the matter. How long you have collected across how many platforms for how many years with how much game time on ESO. Let us see if you are qualified to make any type of judgement. Go look for yourself how those platforms work, sign up on these sites and interact with the community, make friends and acquaintances in game that collect and then poll users in game to see how they feel. At this point you are just sniping and nothing short of your own investigation will suffice for you. I have given you resources to look at now go do your due diligence.

my friend i will sell you a chill pill cause you REALLY need one.
it's ok that they think differently damn...
i to prefer character wide achiefments because i can see what i still have to do to achieve them, what i might have missed and frankly more things to do. i do agree on the point i won't go for some achiefments a second time and that is fine really. i know i did them and that's enough for me. furthermore achiefments don't actually do anything. no one can see them and titles should be earned characterwise anyway (immersion wise doesn't make sense to have lvl 3 with savior of nirn or tamriel hero walking around). that you might have the obsessive need to have them on all your alts is your problem, others apperently don't have this problem. but i won't go in an endless discussion with you i will let you respond and i might react on that but as i have seen in this thread going any further is as usefull as banning my head against the wall

You say chill but Volkodav and Tandor have been non stop. If they want to dig into me its only fair I dig into them.

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

I personally don't really care too much about achievements, but I see no reason why not to do this.

Some people seem to think this would take away the initiative to make alt characters, which kind of doesn't make sense. It actually promotes making more characters, as their progress is shared.

It benefits those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to have endgame alts with the minimum time necessary to advance them to that stage, but it disadvantages those whose sole purpose in creating more characters is to take their time leveling alts through the game because they enjoy the journey and all it has to offer. Sure they can still do those achievements, but it removes any sense of satisfaction from doing so when they're already credited with them from another character's collection.

It also disadvantages those who take the role-play aspect of MMORPGs seriously. Someone who wants a warrior-type character to avoid all Mages Guild content will find that character has all the Mages Guild achievements anyway, because his mage-type character got them - and that character is similarly going to receive all the Fighters Guild achievements the warrior-type character got even tho' he has had no involvement with the Fighters Guild.

The same could be said that having alts with gaps in their history is less satisfying than one complete history. Very, very few if any will go beyond getting the bulk achievements repeatedly. Nobody is going to scamp farm or master angler for weeks then buy or earn all the motif chapters for across all alts. As far as the campaign bronze, silvers and gold goes most will stop doing them after their second or third time through. So unless you intend to complete all achievements across all alts then account wide is the only way to go here.

Under the existing system you can get all the achievements on one character and then be more relaxed about getting them all on your other characters. You will still get the satisfaction of completing those you do get on them, and it adds to both the purpose and fun of leveling up them up. Under your proposal, once you've got all of the achievements once, whether on one character or more easily on more than one, that's it. There's no benefit to doing them on your other characters and the enjoyment of leveling them is reduced accordingly.

I don't for a moment expect to get all the achievements on all my characters, but I do want the opportunity to do achievements on all of them, and in a meaningful way. It's a significant part of leveling them through the game, and I don't want it trivialised by having it all shared between them. By and large I don't have a main character in MMOs, I have a number of characters who are all equally important and enjoyable to me. It's how I enjoy playing the game, and as you indicated in #59 in relation to another aspect of playing the game - " I do not care for role play but if that is how someone wants to spend their game time I leave it be as I understand it is how they enjoy the game." There's a good case to be made for leaving achievements be, as that is how a lot of us enjoy the game. Hold a different view by all means, but you might at least respect our view as you do that of role-players, rather than insulting us.

If you think I was insulting maybe you are just thin skinned. Again all of you who are against account wide achivements are the minority. To re-quote what I told another poster "Do you realize that character based achievements in games and among platforms is miniscule. By default account wide achievements are considered proper, common and are expected. By default you are the extreme minority. How dare I ask for what is expected from a game." Feel free to read the entire interaction between that poster and myself for the full context. As for "trivialized" repetition and over abundance is what makes something trivial.

Actually,how is it that you can know just how miniscule achievements are among platforms? Do you have some way of telling exactly how many people work for them? I would like to know.Some people make blanket statements like this when they are disagreed with. Also,how do you know if those of us who are against your proposal are in the minority?

Here you go @Volkodav. If you play one Xbox/Games for Windows, PlayStation or Steam all of the achievement systems are account wide. Those are the big three as far as gaming achievements go. Those platforms and their systems cover thousands of games. So that right away makes character based achievements anomalous. The other Elder Scrolls are included so that makes this game an exception in the Elder Scrolls franchise. If you go on trueachievements.com you can see how many people play and go after achievements for the Xbox and now they have a PlayStation trophies. There are other websites as well. The reactions and "likes" to this thread and my personal interaction with players in game and across these sites are how I know you are the minority on the thread itself. Those who agree need only push a button to acknowledge their agreement there are other posters who write there agreement in words. Really it is just you and Tandor who are so vocal in their disagreement and clicking the single agree on each others posts and he verging on trolling on this point. Look at his profile he lives for this. Let me now what you need more explanation on.

Well,you seem to think that PC users arent in the game or even a part of the achievement crowd.So,you still cant say you know all the stats regarding this.Those are only partial numbers without the addition of PC players.Let me know when you have found those numbers please.

First off I am a PC player for ESO and I will go as far to say one of the longest running players. So I speak from the PC point of view. I know Xbox because I came from Xbox. If that clarifies some of your issue with me. There is no way to give exact numbers and you know that so quit trying to pin me down with frivolous queries. How about you give me your credentials that shows your expertise in the matter. How long you have collected across how many platforms for how many years with how much game time on ESO. Let us see if you are qualified to make any type of judgement. Go look for yourself how those platforms work, sign up on these sites and interact with the community, make friends and acquaintances in game that collect and then poll users in game to see how they feel. At this point you are just sniping and nothing short of your own investigation will suffice for you. I have given you resources to look at now go do your due diligence.

I have played every day since the first betas,since you want to go this way.Also,I would not know about Xbox or console,.as it isnt my type of gameplay.And my query is NOT frivolous.Just because I ask you something you dont like you get annoyed.As to what I asked,I have the right to ask since you put out there that you knew the percentages on all platforms.If you are going to act like an expert,you had better be able to back it up. I do not pretend to be an expert,as some do,only a long time player of ESO. I've been playing MMOs for a very long time as well.Also,every TES game created.However,that has no bearing on this situation.Not even your so called" credentials" carry weight.Only your insinuation that you know it all about those who like doing achievements.So,if you want us all to believe you,where are the PC percentages.show them to me and I promise to concede honorably.Without attitude. :}
You gave us the url of the other two platforms,so give us the PC platform url.

ZOS_KaeylaW wrote: »

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We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults, trolling or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track.

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CrowsDescend wrote: »

My alts seem too powerful now that I'm at the 320+ CP mark, like my lvl 11 Sorc breezed through the Vampire quest, killing lvl 38 mobs.

Solariken wrote: »

I guess the only solution I see is to have two separate but identical achievement logs, one for character and one for account. This should satisfy both sides of the debate, don't you think?

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_KaeylaW wrote: »

Hi, everyone.

We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults, trolling or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track.

Thank you!

I saw the ZOS icon outside this thread and thought it must be another "We understand that people are going to disagree..." kind of unconstructive dev post. Well, here it is.

Account bound achievements has been a hot topic for a long time. Is it really that hard for you to give a direct response no matter what your decision is?

Lenikus wrote: »

Okay, Okay, Okay.
Here's wat.

Make it so:
Achievements completed on the Character have a Green check.
Achievements Not completed at all have a gray outline.
Achievements you have on other characters have a Blue outline (For Linking and bragging purposes while on a alt.)


There. happy?

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

I wouldn't like it, there's some achievements I don't want on certain characters that I have on other characters. They're individuals, I'd rather keep them that way. My sorcerer would never murder, but my nightblade has a grudge against former Dunmer slavers and taking them out one at a time. I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in.

If achievements were account wide you would no longer have to worry about the individual character morals. Think of it like this, @ account earned the achievement not dunmer@account. You take all of the negative stigma away from many achievements at the character level.

But it's also part of their personal development. I like that my NB has the achievement while my sorc doesn't. The variety between characters is interesting and making it attached to the @ account rather than to the character takes away from the character.

Achievements are not what make the character it is the choices you make. Achievements are markers for reaching goals and repeated accolades only serve to cheapen the original.

The choices I make are reflected in those achievements. If you read my post you would see that rather than repeating anything, the opposite is true. I don't want them repeated at all, I want each to be their own character.

When you wrote "I don't want to open my sorc's journal and see the mass murderer achievement, something she never did, or would do, all filled in" it would no longer be your sorcerer's achievement list it would be yours, you as a human player. This is what I am trying to get at. All of us who want a sense of overall completion should not suffer because you make an argonian named "Picks-the-flowers" who only chases gathering achievements.

Divinius wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_KaeylaW wrote: »

Hi, everyone.

We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults, trolling or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track.

Thank you!

I saw the ZOS icon outside this thread and thought it must be another "We understand that people are going to disagree..." kind of unconstructive dev post. Well, here it is.

Account bound achievements has been a hot topic for a long time. Is it really that hard for you to give a direct response no matter what your decision is?

I swear... Of all the things on these forums that I find annoying, the thing that rustles my jimmies the most is seeing the big Zenimax "Z" next to a thread only to find that the only post from any employee is a moderator telling people to "play nice".

Please, Forum Admins, for the sweet love of the Eight Divines... GIVE THE FORUM MODS A DIFFERENT ICON FROM THE ZOS DEVS or something! I really hate wasting my time reading through a thread trying to find the Dev response that I would actually be interested in, just to be TROLLED by a useless post by a forum mod. No offense to the mods themselves, as I know they have a job to do, but this is easily the single most monumentally frustrating thing about these forums (and that's saying a lot, given the sheer amount of crap on these forums).