Would anybody else like to see achievements account wide?

Lord_Ejl

Being the completionist i am, it bugs me way more than it should I mean, what's the harm in there not having them account wide?

AngryNord

You really couldn't use on of the other threads?
Answer is still no. There are precious few reasons to play an alt already, don't make it even more meaningless.

Lysette

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

Being the completionist i am, it bugs me way more than it should I mean, what's the harm in there not having them account wide?

You get the dye colors account-wide, so you have a way to see, if you have all done account-wide. So there is no need for an implementation of account-wide achievements, it would change nothing beside your private feelings about it. And those might not match those of other people. You can't expect that something will be changed just because you would feel better with it.

daemonios

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

I mean, what's the harm in there not having them account wide?

Level 1 characters sporting titles like Dragonstar Arena Conqueror or Grand Overlord, for instance.

Some games have achievements designed to go with your account. ESO is not one of those. The achievements are designed from the start to track a character's notable conquests. Even then, the dyes that go along with achievements are already account-wide.

I would also add that making more and more things account-wide (such as CP) sends the wrong message IMHO. Already people are asking for account-wide Alliance Ranks or PvP/Undaunted skill lines. I strongly disagree any of these should be account-wide.

clayandaudrey_ESO

I don't think anything should be account wide. Even the CPs should be tied only to the character who achieved them. Call me a heartless b@stard if you want but I think it is just wrong to have account wide unlocks such as these.

Tandor

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

I don't think anything should be account wide. Even the CPs should be tied only to the character who achieved them. Call me a heartless b@stard if you want but I think it is just wrong to have account wide unlocks such as these.

This. Including dye unlocks. It takes half the fun out of leveling alts if they don't get all the individual benefits from doing so, especially for role-players who don't want achievements imposed on their characters that are incompatible with their role.

BabeestorGor

This again
No, titles, achievements, alliance rank etc should be earned by the character, not the account

Idinuse

I don't get it. Aren't achievements just like trophies on i.e. PS3? Once you as the gamer have unlocked them they are right there on your account? It's imo the player's achievements not the characters'. But that's just how I look at it. I'm not particularly propagating for either.

Divinius

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

Being the completionist i am, it bugs me way more than it should I mean, what's the harm in there not having them account wide?

Should they be account-wide? Yes, of course they should.

Will they ever make them account-wide? Not a chance, because there are way too many people (like all of the above posters) that feel the only reason to play an alt is to get all the achievements again.

daemonios

Idinuse wrote: »

I don't get it. Aren't achievements just like trophies on i.e. PS3? Once you as the gamer have unlocked them they are right there on your account? It's imo the player's achievements not the characters'. But that's just how I look at it. I'm not particularly propagating for either.

Just because everybody else does it doesn't mean ESO has to do the same.

I understand trophies are very popular on consoles. But please understand that achievements in ESO are designed differently. The fact that they unlock titles that can be used on your characters is a clear indicator: they track a character's achievements in the game, not the player's.

Dyes as account-wide rewards weren't introduced until LONG after the game was out, but titles remained character-bound. I hope they stay this way.

Lightninvash

I think there is too much controversy on this issue. it should be cause this or it shouldn't because this I say if it isn't broken don't fix it

Sausage

Indeed. Ive actually thought how to make sure people work on their Achievements Points too. For me, Dyes aint gonna do it. What if before new season starts, your Achievements are calculated and you're rewarded. That should give little spirit up before the new season and not to mention make sure all players come to see the new season, just to get the reward, even if they dont like the DLC itself. Reward itself is just gold, aps, ts, whatever player think he needs the most, nothing too fancy to get people's anger on.

Wizzo91

Just make it optional. Players that want to have them account wide can choose to do so - players that don't can turn it off.

Problem solved.

Reverb

Nope

Lord_Ejl

I guess i'm too old school type of player This is my first MMO, and usually accustomed to trying to get all achievements in my games. So yes, it really bugs me strangely

But yes, i can understand the character based achievement point.

xerasia

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

I don't think anything should be account wide. Even the CPs should be tied only to the character who achieved them. Call me a heartless b@stard if you want but I think it is just wrong to have account wide unlocks such as these.

*slow clap*

TheShadowScout

How about... NO?
Just like all the other times this came up...

Achievements are a way to take stock of a characters progress. There really is no reason at all to have them account wide.

Exploration achievements are good for keeping track of which locales your character has already visited, and which you may have overlooked. Since finding the locations also gives XP, that is not somerhing I would ever want account wide.
Skyshard achievements are good for keeping track of which shyshards your character has already collected, and which you may have missed. Since those give skill points, that is not somerhing I would ever want account wide either.
Crafting achievements are good for keeping track of which motivs your character has already learned, and which you have yet to find. And no, I wouldn't want to see acount wide crafting research like the "gimme crowd" sometimes asks for either.

Some achievements give dyes. Those are already account-wide.
Some achievements give titles. Those never ever should be account wide. Just because a characters fathers brothers nephews cousins former roommate became a dragonstar champion or master angler doesn't mean that character too had claim to such a title.

Achievements are NOT like trophies in single player games, where they are set up to track a -players- progress throughout their time playing the game. They are set up to track a -characters- progress, and should remain thus.

Yes, some achievements would be way easier if they were account wide.
But that is the point - if they were way easier, they wouldn't be that much of an achievement after all...
And as has been mentioned, account-wide achievements also would take a lot of the fun out of alting and comparing ones characters accomplishments and effectiveness...

J2JMC

Um, why does it matter if they are account wide? "Oh no, that level 3 is wearing the vMA title. That has zero effect on my gameplay, but I'm going to be mad because reasons."

Lysette

IMO the account-wide dye is already too much - but it is a no-go to share titles across your characters. This i s in the end a role playing game, this means achievements should be bound to the role your character is playing. If he is not in a certain role, he should not be able to use things, which belong to another role, and especially not decorate himself with feathers (titles), which were not achieved by him nor wear colors, which were not achieved by him. This would make certain colors more unique and they would point to certain achievements visually.

ListerJMC

I like the fact that achievements are bound to my characters, so I can keep progress of what I've accomplished with them. It also helps me keep track of whether I've finished everything in a particular zone with a particular character.

However some of them I do wish were shared between them, such as Vampirism/Lycanthropy... since I'm a bit of a completionist if I wanted to get 100% on all of them I'd have to get all 3 infected with both diseases (which would mean curing my Redguard, getting him lycanthropy, then re-infecting him with vampirism in his case). If there was an option to 'share' achievements with my other characters I'd probably use it just for those two.

Lysette

ListerJMC wrote: »

I like the fact that achievements are bound to my characters, so I can keep progress of what I've accomplished with them. It also helps me keep track of whether I've finished everything in a particular zone with a particular character.

However some of them I do wish were shared between them, such as Vampirism/Lycanthropy... since I'm a bit of a completionist if I wanted to get 100% on all of them I'd have to get all 3 infected with both diseases (which would mean curing my Redguard, getting him lycanthropy, then re-infecting him with vampirism in his case). If there was an option to 'share' achievements with my other characters I'd probably use it just for those two.

Not every character has to achieve all. I am myself kind of a jack-of-all-trades type, but it has limits. I see where you are going with your wishes, but the problem is arising out of your specific mindset in the matter, it is not a game issue which would have to be fixed or changed, because for most - my guess - it does not matter, if or if not every character has every achievement.

ListerJMC

Lysette wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I like the fact that achievements are bound to my characters, so I can keep progress of what I've accomplished with them. It also helps me keep track of whether I've finished everything in a particular zone with a particular character.

However some of them I do wish were shared between them, such as Vampirism/Lycanthropy... since I'm a bit of a completionist if I wanted to get 100% on all of them I'd have to get all 3 infected with both diseases (which would mean curing my Redguard, getting him lycanthropy, then re-infecting him with vampirism in his case). If there was an option to 'share' achievements with my other characters I'd probably use it just for those two.

Not every character has to achieve all. I am myself kind of a jack-of-all-trades type, but it has limits. I see where you are going with your wishes, but the problem is arising out of your specific mindset in the matter, it is not a game issue which would have to be fixed or changed, because for most - my guess - it does not matter, if or if not every character has every achievement.

Haha I am aware of that, I'm not going to get every achievement on every character! I mean there's no way Emperor is ever going to happen, let alone three times over . As I said I'm happy with it on a per-character basis like it is now, and I'll probably try and get as many as I can for each of them. Getting my vampire lycanthropy was the only one that would be annoying to achieve if I went for it with him, and would be the only one I'd "share" if given the option (which I doubt will happen).

Lord_Ejl

I see the difference between an MMO player, and a "regular" player As i said, this is my first MMO, i'm accustomed to getting all done with one char, i've played single players all my life. This game now for about 6-7 months. I like the group content also and the competitive side, so i'm not saying this should be a single player-type of game.

My sorc can craft many things, some 9 trait, some 8, and few items are still researching their 6th on med and heavy. I've done Justice achievements with this one, and try to do all the others too (almost at 10k achievement points atm, and in the middle of Cadwell's gold, so there's lot of those basic achievements still undone). I did vampire/WW achievements with him also.

Just started my second character couple hours ago, we'll see if i ever get him over level 10

I'll try to change my mindset about this thing, but we'll see. Maybe the single player in me is too strong..

Gilvoth

i vote: "Yes"
i have been asking for this for a long time.

BabeestorGor

Divinius wrote: »

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

Being the completionist i am, it bugs me way more than it should I mean, what's the harm in there not having them account wide?

Should they be account-wide? Yes, of course they should.

Will they ever make them account-wide? Not a chance, because there are way too many people (like all of the above posters) that feel the only reason to play an alt is to get all the achievements again.

Wrong
I certainly won't get all the achievements on all my characters
I'm opposed to them being account-wide because they are achieved by a character and I play characters, not an account

Malthorne

I would very much like achievements to be account wide so I can keep track of everything I accomplished on my account.
I can, however, understand the argument for titles to be character bound.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

AngryNord wrote: »

You really couldn't use on of the other threads?
Answer is still no. There are precious few reasons to play an alt already, don't make it even more meaningless.

I respectfully disagree. I think making things account wide encourages alt play. Most serious players that want alts for end-game stuff dont have a ton of interest in re-running everything. I think making things character bound tends to force players to stick with one toon. If CP was character bound, I certainly wouldn't have 4 V16 characters. If Alliance rank was account bound, I might head into cyrodiil with something other than my main. Making achievements account bound would do absolutely nothing negative to the game.

Sallington

Achievements should be account-wide, and CPs should be tied to achievements instead of flat XP.

Tandor

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

You really couldn't use on of the other threads?
Answer is still no. There are precious few reasons to play an alt already, don't make it even more meaningless.

I respectfully disagree. I think making things account wide encourages alt play. Most serious players that want alts for end-game stuff dont have a ton of interest in re-running everything. I think making things character bound tends to force players to stick with one toon. If CP was character bound, I certainly wouldn't have 4 V16 characters. If Alliance rank was account bound, I might head into cyrodiil with something other than my main. Making achievements account bound would do absolutely nothing negative to the game.

But there are plenty of serious players that want alts for leveling purposes, and who do have a ton of interest in re-running everything. What you're really asking for isn't for everything to be account-wide, but for instant endgame character creation which is a different argument altogether. A character created as level 1 should need to do all the content, while a character created as level 50 (as it will be, VR16 as at present) should come fully developed.

UrQuan

For some achievements it would make sense to make them account-wide, and I'd be fine with changing those ones.

For most achievements, however, it makes far more sense for them to be on a per-character basis. On that basis I would be strongly opposed to making all achievements account-wide. I would not, however, be opposed to a review of achievements that made some specific ones account-wide.

robkrush

Makes sense to me. In fact, I was surprised when I found out how it works. Of course, I'm used to it now.