If ZOS focused on making a PC-only MMO and never bothered with consoles, the game would be in a much better state right now.

But, they did focus on consoles, and now we have an MMO catering to the single-player crowd that eat up paid DLC.

Now it's just bandaid fixes while they rush out the next DLC.

I play on PC and I can't spit without hitting another player.

I guess it doesn't matter who's playing on what system the most when there's plenty of people to play with on my system

Sallington wrote: »

If ZOS focused on making a PC-only MMO and never bothered with consoles, the game would be in a much better state right now.

But, they did focus on consoles, and now we have an MMO catering to the single-player crowd that eat up paid DLC.

Now it's just bandaid fixes while they rush out the next DLC.

I doubt it. They will still be behind because ZOS is still playing catch up. Every time something goes wrong in this game players complain about it. So ZOS implements a change but this change is not to the liking of the player base. So they have to change again and again and again. You get the point. A good example of this is getting rid of the Vet system. Right now you can tell that this system is too deep in the game and it going to take a lot of time to solve it hence all of the band aid fixes. A lot of the player base is way too split, Groups, Solo players,and Pvp'ers. I think when they solve the Vet system problem the game will go on smoothly.

robkrush wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I'd love to see numbers of active users on each platform.

I know right. I really wanted a good mmo for console but it seems like ZOS is really struggling. Their whole "console people are casuals" mentality really shows on so many things. We can't handle text chat? We can't handle floating damage numbers? We can't handle grinding? Come-on! We bought the game knowing it was a MMO.

Like I said I feel like consoles are paying the bills so they might want to address some of our concerns without stopping the presses on the updates that are already too slow.

Heh, in ZOS defense, floating combat numbers have never been intended to be a part of the game. That ui element is only available because of user made addons.

Grinding has also never really been a big trend in ESO. I remember them actually lowering mob exp and increasing quest exp at some well before the console version was released because a bunch of people were trying to over grind areas instead progressing through the rest of the content. They also did this as a way of poking the botters in the eye.

Hopefully you guys get the text chat thing soon though. I know the Xbox at least has a keyboard supplement for the controllers.

Sallington wrote: »

If ZOS focused on making a PC-only MMO and never bothered with consoles, the game would be in a much better state right now.

But, they did focus on consoles, and now we have an MMO catering to the single-player crowd that eat up paid DLC.

Now it's just bandaid fixes while they rush out the next DLC.

The TES purists. You know the ones that making frothing at the mouth posts about anything breaking lore and immersion. The ones saying "Only if Elder Scrolls is removed from the title...", to any suggestion they feel doesn't belong in Elder Scrolls, regardless of whether it might actually improve the game. That's the biggest thing holding ESO back. The inflexible nature of being an TES title, and ZOS having to cater to persnickety fandom.

robkrush wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I'd love to see numbers of active users on each platform.

I know right. I really wanted a good mmo for console but it seems like ZOS is really struggling. Their whole "console people are casuals" mentality really shows on so many things. We can't handle text chat? We can't handle floating damage numbers? We can't handle grinding? Come-on! We bought the game knowing it was a MMO.

Like I said I feel like consoles are paying the bills so they might want to address some of our concerns without stopping the presses on the updates that are already too slow.

Population doesn't tell you who is paying the bills because the game is B2P.

Plus, on PC, you will see less people in zones because most of us finished all 3 zones' content a year and a half ago, but still spend money on the game by buying DLC, subbing, and buying crown store junk.

I think ESO's strategy was great for initial sales. I think there was little chance of most TES fans paying a monthly sub. I did it for 3 months, finished the content, and then left until B2P. Made no sense to continue to sub after completing the content with so many other games I haven't played yet. As much as I enjoy ESO and have loved being back since B2P, I didn't miss it at all when I was away.

srfrogg23 wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I'd love to see numbers of active users on each platform.

I know right. I really wanted a good mmo for console but it seems like ZOS is really struggling. Their whole "console people are casuals" mentality really shows on so many things. We can't handle text chat? We can't handle floating damage numbers? We can't handle grinding? Come-on! We bought the game knowing it was a MMO.

Like I said I feel like consoles are paying the bills so they might want to address some of our concerns without stopping the presses on the updates that are already too slow.

Heh, in ZOS defense, floating combat numbers have never been intended to be a part of the game. That ui element is only available because of user made addons.

Grinding has also never really been a big trend in ESO. I remember them actually lowering mob exp and increasing quest exp at some well before the console version was released because a bunch of people were trying to over grind areas instead progressing through the rest of the content. They also did this as a way of poking the botters in the eye.

Hopefully you guys get the text chat thing soon though. I know the Xbox at least has a keyboard supplement for the controllers.

I may be wrong but I actually seem to recall someone posting screenshots of early closed testing when the UI apparently HAD combat numbers by default. Now why they removed it in later versions I have no idea. I mean I don't know ANYONE on PC who doesn't play without FTC(at least not anyone who actually runs dungeons) and c'mon...there're even mechanics there that feature specific numbers, like bosses changing mechanics at certain %(see Nerien'eth as an example), execute becoming available at certain %, Serpent's magicka bomb killing you at >25% magicka etc...

Become?

In PC Beta, we were told we had that wonky Q wheel to match the console port.
ZoS put PC game development on hold for 3-6 MONTHS, while they polished Console release..
When whatever was under the hood for the console in PC failed to port, ZoS developed AN ENTIRELY NEW SYTEM.. WHILE LEAVING THE CRAPPY INTERFACE in PC.

I would say it always was.. And, those of us who joked about PC being the console beta.. were proved right.

PC EU pvp seems to be thriving despite the issues. I've never played console though so I can't compare.

Magdalina wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I'd love to see numbers of active users on each platform.

I know right. I really wanted a good mmo for console but it seems like ZOS is really struggling. Their whole "console people are casuals" mentality really shows on so many things. We can't handle text chat? We can't handle floating damage numbers? We can't handle grinding? Come-on! We bought the game knowing it was a MMO.

Like I said I feel like consoles are paying the bills so they might want to address some of our concerns without stopping the presses on the updates that are already too slow.

Heh, in ZOS defense, floating combat numbers have never been intended to be a part of the game. That ui element is only available because of user made addons.

Grinding has also never really been a big trend in ESO. I remember them actually lowering mob exp and increasing quest exp at some well before the console version was released because a bunch of people were trying to over grind areas instead progressing through the rest of the content. They also did this as a way of poking the botters in the eye.

Hopefully you guys get the text chat thing soon though. I know the Xbox at least has a keyboard supplement for the controllers.

I may be wrong but I actually seem to recall someone posting screenshots of early closed testing when the UI apparently HAD combat numbers by default. Now why they removed it in later versions I have no idea. I mean I don't know ANYONE on PC who doesn't play without FTC(at least not anyone who actually runs dungeons) and c'mon...there're even mechanics there that feature specific numbers, like bosses changing mechanics at certain %(see Nerien'eth as an example), execute becoming available at certain %, Serpent's magicka bomb killing you at >25% magicka etc...

ZoS locked down HUGE portions of the UI (two?) weeks before launch, because of complaints about the UI giving buffs out from players who did not want the enemy seeing what they had as buffs.. It took over a year for them to give back SOME of it, not sure if all of it is avail, since I am not a mod dev.

dday3six wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

If ZOS focused on making a PC-only MMO and never bothered with consoles, the game would be in a much better state right now.

But, they did focus on consoles, and now we have an MMO catering to the single-player crowd that eat up paid DLC.

Now it's just bandaid fixes while they rush out the next DLC.

The TES purists. You know the ones that making frothing at the mouth posts about anything breaking lore and immersion. The ones saying "Only if Elder Scrolls is removed from the title...", to any suggestion they feel doesn't belong in Elder Scrolls, regardless of whether it might actually improve the game. That's the biggest thing holding ESO back. The inflexible nature of being an TES title, and ZOS having to cater to persnickety fandom.

All I can say is..

It takes a lot of extra manpower to find ways to work within the limits of consoles.

robkrush wrote: »

I think PC players have moved on to other games with more frequent updates/improvements. It seems like making a game across multiple platforms slows development to near a standstill.

I've read that specific sentence on very single MMO forum I've ever been to (all of them still running, at least that I'm aware of).
And I'm pretty sure you could find it on every forum for every MMO I never played.

Well consoles lack the most important thing in an mmo communication they on purpose did not add it to consoles, this maybe because they wanted more money for them switching over to pc, over time or something like that but pc will always be number one consoles may get more players but they would quit because of the lack of communication they did not add. Some will stay with consoles not all as for playabilty consoles with group content and guilds can't commucate proper with out text chat and no console rp community:(

I play on pc and will only play this on pc. This type of game is not really meant for consoles, they need to really change some things with consoles to make them viable for game play and from all the forum posts that keep poping up every day on no text chat they would most likly be forced to add it at some point. As well as some major overhauls for the console version.


They do have voice chat but who wants to use that and text chat is much more needed voice chat can be used for groups and content for groups like that now but that does not really count for console commucation because most will turn it off because its unbearable, and you don't want to hear real life stuff going on and that would not really be kid friendly either because some players would do some fade to black in real life as they play or you know what I am talking about bedroom stuff. Or horribad music being blasted. As some players have mentioned in past forums posts. Voice chat gives a much differant but worse form of trolling the playerbase.

Danikat wrote: »

I'm not sure why but everyone seems to believe they are the losing side here. PC players will claim the PC version is a beta for consoles, console players will claim they're being penalised by getting updates later and consoles are obviously an afterthought.

I guess it makes people feel better to tell themselves they're always the victim and everything is some kind of conspiracy against them.

Pc is much easier to implment new content and they don't have a console version pts, and I don't think they will ever have a console version pts, pc comes first and then they port and change things to add for consoles this is how most mmos work consoles will most of the time get content a few weeks or months after it has been released for pc.