Can you really play any charcter you want?

Artjuh90 · December 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Most of the game has been dumbed down to the point that you can get by running whatever random build you want everywhere excluding 4 places(vICP, vWGT, VMSA, and PVP.) That said, your group will most likely suffer and resent you if you are running a bad build.

The trick is to theorycraft and come up with a unique build that is actually good as opposed to coming up with a random bad build.

yes cause PvP is so mutch about skills xD
just spamming and zerging at this point pvp is easyer then PvE. no skill required

dday3six · December 2015

Can you? Yes, but effectiveness could suffer as a result.

MaxBat · December 2015

@RizaHawkeye

Funny, I ran a similar build for awhile, but that was back before 1.6 dropped so I can't say if I'd do it again. You do seem to have competing skill sets (tank v. dps) but so what? You're not running veteran content and you're only level 36. That may seem high to you but for us old-timers that have been around since day 1, that's still pretty low.

But seriously, that's not the worst build I've ever seen. For level 36, I'm liking your weapon crit. Yeah, it could be better but I'm assuming it will go up by the time you reach level 50.

Are you're just trying to level up the S&S to make a dual purpose build? (Trying to understand why you would do this.) I think that is @Darlon's point. It's more efficient to choose DW & Bow or 2h because those skills compliment each other. DW and S&S don't really compliment each other and so you're wasting spots on your skill bar for skills that don't help a stamina DPS. As other's have said, it's okay now that you're playing for yourself, but when you start running trials, you will want to make sure both bars compliment each other (by contributing either full DPS or full Tank skills).

I would switch up the armor choice a bit, either by swapping out one of your heavies for a medium or, even better, just going full medium.

But it's not a bad build. What's your DPS look like on the DW side? Are your armor and weapons enchanted? I would run with you as a DPS. Maybe not so much as a tank, unless you buffed some of those skills.

What you may not be understanding is that levels up to 50 shape your character. You only have so much time, skill points, and experience to accumulate. Someone who funnels all of that into a single role (Tank, DPS, Healer), will be much better and more powerful than someone who tries to be two roles. That's not a criticism. It's just math adding up.

In fact, I've had to delete characters because I've realized at level 50-ish that my skill trees weren't working together. Of course, I could try to level up a new skill line, but by then it would just be a grind. Just something to think about.

Something else I just thought of: Are you crafting with this character, too? Because that really will kill a dual role build. Believe me I've tried and deleted the character. Too many skill points sidetracked from where they need to be, such buffs and other passives.

Bottom line: don't let anyone give you grief. That build doesn't suck. But by the end of the game, you will want to pick a role and right now it looks like DPS is where you will want to be.

Good luck!

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

MaxBat wrote: »

@RizaHawkeye] ... Are you're just trying to level up the S&S to make a dual purpose build? (Trying to understand why you would do this.) ... What you may not be understanding is that levels up to 50 shape your character. You only have so much time, skill points, and experience to accumulate. Someone who funnels all of that into a single role (Tank, DPS, Healer), will be much better and more powerful than someone who tries to be two roles. That's not a criticism. It's just math adding up. ... But by the end of the game, you will want to pick a role and right now it looks like DPS is where you will want to be.

Was I building a dual purpose build? Yes. That was the plan, a character that could DPS and Tank if necessary. And yes, she is a crafting character, so yes those skill points have been directed there.

So going back to my original question, this is what I'm taking from this discussion: dual purpose builds don't really work. It's better to pick a single role and skill to that role. S&S is a tank skill and DW, 2H and Bow are all DPS skills. Mixing DPS and Tanks kills, as I've done, doesn't work.

So this build isn't going to work. Would it be better now to respec and do something like Bow and DW (God, I hate 2H) or just drop the character?

srfrogg23 · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

They're not saying your attitude is elitist Riza, they're talking about the people you're referencing in your original post. The people saying you have to play a specific class a specific way are being "elitist" (because pedantic doesn't apply to something without a written set of official rules from the devs).

Just my 2 cents on the magicka abilities in a stamina build thing too:

It's not a bad thing depending on what you're using. Having stamina based dps with magicka based utilities like roots, snares, stuns, and other cc abilities is a nice way to make sure you're not using up all of your stamina to perform those functions. It frees up your stamina for spamming the harder hitting dps abilities. If those magicka abilities happen to do some damage on top of helping you to control the flow of the battle, all the better. I just wouldn't try to claim that the magicka based abilities are included with the intention of out damaging your stamina based attacks in a stamina build, except for maybe the extremely situational "execute" abilities.

Okay, fair enough. It's not very clear from the context of the post, especially when combined with the reference that I'm a child and that I need to pick either a nightblade or a templar, because right now I don't have a build (is that the point)?

And, honestly @srfrogg23 , I'm not trying to "claim" that those skills are on the bar to "out damage" my stamina skills when my stamina skills are the high performers. In fact, I'm not claiming anything of that nature at all. I'm simply explaining why I put those skills on my bar.

Let me try this again. The magicka skils are there to (1) heal or cleanse or (2) to add damage to supplement by stamina skills. Clearly, they're not going to outperform the leveled stamina skills. But the leveled stamina skills will eventually drain all my stamina. And without something on the bar to throw out at that moment, I'm stuck with light and heavy attacks until stam regens. Does that make sense?

Sure, I can add, say, another stamina skill to the bar and take out Reflective Light. What's the logical result? (1) I burn stamina faster on a skill that may not perform as well as Biting Jabs or Steel Tornado (for example). (2) I lose a ranged ability (reflective light allows me to hit multiple mobs at a distance). (3) In the event, I run out of stam, I'm stuck with light and heavy attacks (and no ability to block or roll dodge).

At higher levels, I might be able to add more stamina to my pool (adding Hundings Rage or something like that to the mix), but for now, this is my logic.

It may be flawed, I may be wrong. But I'm not claiming this is better than anything. Really.

Sorry, I meant that as a very general statement, I didn't mean to imply that you, as an individual, we're trying to make that claim.

If anything I was agreeing with your use of off-resource abilities because of the utility and flavor that they bring to the build. I agree, having nothing but stamina abilities is a great way to run out of stamina real fast.

In a way, my response to you also kind of served as a bit of a back-handed retort to a lot of posts I see from people who try to apply extreme min/maxing logic to a game that is designed to be more liberal in its approach to character customization and valid playstyles than what is more commonly seen with MMOs on the market.

I find it especially humorous that people would claim you have to play your character a certain way then point you to Deltia and Tamriel Foundry for "the correct way" to do things when I know for a fact that neither of those two sources ever take a hardline stance on what "the correct" way is. Sure, they offer decent advice, but even they say there are a lot of possible combinations and a wide variety of ways to make builds work with any class. They certainly don't demand that nightblades use greatswords but simply illustrate that it is a good setup (which it is, it's just not the only good build out there).

The only time you're really going to gimp yourself hard is when you opt for primarily using a weapon, armor, and stat setup that doesn't directly support your ability to perform the primary function of your build, I.e. Using 4/3?pieces of heavy armor/light for a stamina dps build instead of medium will deny you huge amounts of stamina regeneration, physical crit, and stamina cost reduction- which leads to your stamina running dry really fast and ultimately very low damage output, longer encounters, and a greater likelihood of the group wiping.

After reading your gear setup in your previous post, I think that is probably your choke point, the reason your running out of your primary resource, stamina, so fast and the reason you're being told "you're doing it wrong". I see nothing wrong with your dual wield setup in terms of active skills though. The sword and board setup won't help much with dps, but as long as one of your bars works well enough for your primary role it should be fine to keep that for solo play, or adding some health, bumping up to at least 5 heavy and going in as a tank instead of Dps.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Did not read the entire topic, but it's a good question.

There was a heated discussion in my guild about that.

On one hand, one of our guild member plays as a werewolf DD all the time, solo, in PvP, in dungeons, in trials. He's very good at it. Some other guild members though expressed negative feelings about it. They said playing WW in groups is a selfish attitude and a loss for the group, the culprits being that we all have to rush so that he doesn't lose his beast form, that he cannot use ultimates and that he cannot rez other group members. My feeling was that, as a group, we should get as organized as possible, so that everyone can "play how he wants" as far as possible.

On the other hand, another guild member plays a pet sorc and always comes with horrible clannfear with uncontrollable aggro, and the even more horrible winged twilight that clutters everybody's screen for very little benefit. It's very annoying, especially in raids, where space is limited for 12 players. I asked this player to stop using pets in group content. But other guild members objected that my "policy" wasn't very consistent with my attitude towards the WW.

Which was true...

Finally as a GM I decided that we would support both (the WW and the sorc pets). But the reverse decision would have made sense too.

Point is, if you really want to "play how you want" and do group content, you have to find a nice and open minded guild where these things can be discussed peacefully. PUGs are unfortunately often full of people who think they "know better" and require boring FOTM builds from everyone.

timidobserver · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Most of the game has been dumbed down to the point that you can get by running whatever random build you want everywhere excluding 4 places(vICP, vWGT, VMSA, and PVP.) That said, your group will most likely suffer and resent you if you are running a bad build.

The trick is to theorycraft and come up with a unique build that is actually good as opposed to coming up with a random bad build.

yes cause PvP is so mutch about skills xD
just spamming and zerging at this point pvp is easyer then PvE. no skill required

I didn't say anything about PvP versus PvE difficulty. I was talking purely about the topic of this thread, which is builds/roles. I know there are plenty of people that find Vet Maelstrom arena harder than winning PvP by joining their factions megazerg and spamming healing springs/steel tornado to see who can create the most unplayable lag all night, but I don't even really care to have that debate in this thread with you.

azoriangaming · December 2015

if you want a mix of all go templar they can at least tank and heal dungeons at the same time.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

MaxBat wrote: »

@RizaHawkeye

Funny, I ran a similar build for awhile, but that was back before 1.6 dropped so I can't say if I'd do it again. You do seem to have competing skill sets (tank v. dps) but so what? You're not running veteran content and you're only level 36. That may seem high to you but for us old-timers that have been around since day 1, that's still pretty low.

But seriously, that's not the worst build I've ever seen. For level 36, I'm liking your weapon crit. Yeah, it could be better but I'm assuming it will go up by the time you reach level 50.

Are you're just trying to level up the S&S to make a dual purpose build? (Trying to understand why you would do this.) I think that is @Darlon's point. It's more efficient to choose DW & Bow or 2h because those skills compliment each other. DW and S&S don't really compliment each other and so you're wasting spots on your skill bar for skills that don't help a stamina DPS. As other's have said, it's okay now that you're playing for yourself, but when you start running trials, you will want to make sure both bars compliment each other (by contributing either full DPS or full Tank skills).

I would switch up the armor choice a bit, either by swapping out one of your heavies for a medium or, even better, just going full medium.

But it's not a bad build. What's your DPS look like on the DW side? Are your armor and weapons enchanted? I would run with you as a DPS. Maybe not so much as a tank, unless you buffed some of those skills.

What you may not be understanding is that levels up to 50 shape your character. You only have so much time, skill points, and experience to accumulate. Someone who funnels all of that into a single role (Tank, DPS, Healer), will be much better and more powerful than someone who tries to be two roles. That's not a criticism. It's just math adding up.

In fact, I've had to delete characters because I've realized at level 50-ish that my skill trees weren't working together. Of course, I could try to level up a new skill line, but by then it would just be a grind. Just something to think about.

Something else I just thought of: Are you crafting with this character, too? Because that really will kill a dual role build. Believe me I've tried and deleted the character. Too many skill points sidetracked from where they need to be, such buffs and other passives.

Bottom line: don't let anyone give you grief. That build doesn't suck. But by the end of the game, you will want to pick a role and right now it looks like DPS is where you will want to be.

Good luck!

LOL? had to delete char over weapon tree lines....
it's 1 or 2 area's in cadwells to get it to 50 aginst doing the first 6 area's

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It took me forever to get Vigor on my DK tank. Chasing it on my NB sounds dreadful.

Took me 3 weeks in non-vet. You could probably do it quicker on azuras though. The AP gain there is real.

How many hours in those 3 weeks? Took me over a year. But I can't only deal with so much PvP.

I'll try the non-vet PvP on an my magicka NB alt. My stamblade is already level 48 and he is the one that would need Vigor.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Danikat wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

... Now, that being said, if you're serious about playing "your way" find a guild with really great players who will run with you and don't mind the gimping. Typically this just means they're not interested in speed runs so it's not that big a deal.

Sounds intriguing. Where does one find such a thing?

I found several by posting a topic on the forum and being very clear that I was looking for a casual friendly guild - one that wouldn't mind if I'm not here regularly and can't always tell them in advance when I'll be on, doesn't mind if I never use voice chat (I'm not buying a headset for occasional use in 1 game) and doesn't mind if I take a long time to reach level 50, don't use the current flavour of the month builds and I'm not interested in speed runs or world firsts or whatever other ways people turn the game into a contest.

I only actually stuck with 1 of them, but that was for unrelated reasons (ie. one would only play with people in EP, some were on the wrong region etc.), from the responses I got it's clear to me there are multiple guilds out there that don't demand members conform to other peoples builds to play.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

People can play the way they want, but in a group, it isn't just you. The way they might want to play is not with you.

I find the whole "play the way you want" thing silly because I don't have a point of reference. What are they comparing themselves to? I have never played any other MMOs so that might be why I don't understand what they mean.

Have you played any single-player RPGs other than TES games? Most fantasy RPGs have a similar range of weapons, armour types, spell types etc. but unlike in this game which class you choose will determine which ones are available to you.

Have you? A lot don't even have classes. Look at The Witcher 3. Perhaps D&D based games like Baldur's Gate are very rigid, but a lot of single-player RPGs work with a generic character that you customize the way you want. This is not something unique to ESO. I don't know how other MMOs compare.

In ESO, by having classes, you are limited to 1/4 of class skills. I would like my DK to be able to get away from a fight. If your answer is pop an invisibility potion, well, sure, all sorts of class dominated games can add potions to bridge gaps.

The 'play the way you want' is narrow. It would make more sense with a game like Deus Ex: Human Revolution where you can decide to kill people, put them to sleep, or just sneak through avoid everyone. In ESO, you just kill everyone unless there are intimidate or persuasion options, which everyone can do. Part of the variety in builds in ESO isn't even due to allowing more options. It is due to restricting players to only 12 active skills at a time.

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Sorry, I meant that as a very general statement, I didn't mean to imply that you, as an individual, we're trying to make that claim....

That's okay. Just wanted to make sure it was understood that I'm not using m-skills to replace stam skills.

Yours (and MaxBats) point about medium armor makes sense. I think I'll go full medium for the stamina passives.

I do wish there was more flexibility in the way ESO designed its game skills. I feel as if my choice to use S&S with DW was like talking in class when I was a girl in Catholic school. I'm waiting for someone to smack my hand now ...

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Did not read the entire topic, but it's a good question.

...

On the other hand, another guild member plays a pet sorc and always comes with horrible clannfear with uncontrollable aggro, and the even more horrible winged twilight that clutters everybody's screen for very little benefit. It's very annoying, especially in raids, where space is limited for 12 players. I asked this player to stop using pets in group content. But other guild members objected that my "policy" wasn't very consistent with my attitude towards the WW.

...

Point is, if you really want to "play how you want" and do group content, you have to find a nice and open minded guild where these things can be discussed peacefully. PUGs are unfortunately often full of people who think they "know better" and require boring FOTM builds from everyone.

That's interesting. The pets thing annoys me, too. I've only encountered it once and I felt like I was being blocked out by the pet. Egggh.

To be fair, I never believed I'd get to "play as I want." I understood, even before I bought the game, that Zenimax was exaggerating to sell a game (and how sad is it that I've come to mistrust gaming companies so much that I no longer believe their claims ...)

I guess the question I'm left with now is just how big a mistake combining S&S and DW really is.

Darlgon · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, fair enough. It's not very clear from the context of the post, especially when combined with the reference that I'm a child and that I need to pick either a nightblade or a templar, because right now I don't have a build (is that the point)?

I was indeed referring to the other people as elitist.
You are a child, in MMO game years, to a LOT of the people posting in this thread. You are actually getting a LOT of experienced gamers to comment. Compare your six months to 25 or more months playing ESO, or 120 months of playing MMOs. Thats not bad we have all been there...
HOWEVER.. you cant CHOOSE that your character is a Nightblade or a Templar, except at character creation. Both are class choices and, once you pressed create, currently irreversible.

AlnilamE · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

First off.. where is my LOL button?

Lightninvash wrote: »

no you cant play any class just like

Just. Awesome..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

New is a relative term. I've been playing since June of 2015. I don't feel new, but then I haven't run a lot of groups.

Yes, you are a like 6-month old child, sorry,.. some of us have been here since before December 2013, when I got into Beta on this game.. And, like me, some have been playing MMOs for 10 or more years. Yes, you are NEW...

Now.. sorry. I cant let this pass..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

So I shared my build (for that character) and immediately was told it was "wrong." Nightblade, I was told, "should be" using a bow or DW, and two-handed weapons for DPS. 2H was a must. Using anything else is "wrong."

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, for reference, here's the build that caused the grief mentioned in my original post:

Race: Imperial
Class: Templar
Skill Lines: Dual wielding & sword and shied
Level: 36

AP distribution: Magic = 0, Health = 10, Stamina = 25

MaxMagic = 6320
MaxHealth = 9390
MaxStamina = 10676

Magic Recovery = 384
Health Recovery = 267
Stamina Recovery = 582

Spell Damage = 656
Spell Crit = 12.5%

Weapon Damage = 852
Weapon Crit = 24% (S&S), 26.5% (DW)

These are base, unbuffed numbers.

This is what I have on my skill bars right now:

S&S: Pierce Armor, Reflective Light, Biting Jabs, Shield Charge, Restoring Aura. Ult is Empowering Sweeps.
DW: Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Steel Tornado, Backlash, Blade Cloak. Ult is Remembrance.

Armor (Level 34): 4/3 Heavy/Light (because I like the way it looks.).

Sets: 5 Nights Silence, 4 Ashen Grip.

I understand that this is probably a better PvE build than PvP. In Shadowfen, it enabled me solo three of the six group bosses (I couldn't get Captain Bones, Nen Ria, and that damn Rendrasa solo). At the time I ran those groups, I was using level 24 armor and buffs, though (I was level 29-33-ish).

But enough of that.

Not to sound demeaning.. but...

Which is it? Are you a Nightblade or a Templar?
If you are a Stamina Templar (which is a DPS, commonly called a Stamplar) judging by your specs, why do you have all those class skills on your bar that use magicka? They are about as useful as a snowball in a furnace vs the DPS your build suggest you are supposed to be doing.
You are also level 36? Umm.. that kinda elitist attitude usually does not show up until VR levels, when your character is more defined. Were you somewhere where you were autoleveled to VR16 and could not keep up with the group? Like an undaunted dungeon? Frankly. you dont have the skill points avail to keep up with a VR16, much less a lack of Champ Points..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

So, having read all the posts, I'm left with the following question:

If I don't want to run PUGs (pick up groups such as the group finder group or zone chat), because I don't want to deal with the GTFO attitude, then what is my alternative? And really, if the game means that much to you (not judging, just saying), then I don't want to slow you down. I'd rather play with people who want to have fun in a relaxed way.

Is it really just guilds? Because every guild I've joined is dead now.

Yes. pretty much.. Find a guild, you get FIVE whole slots for guilds. Dont stick to just one.. but you may want to save one for a trade guild, to sell stuff, as you wont get much advice there. If one goes dead, especially if the guild leader fails to show up inside of two-three weeks, without notice, its time to drop that guild and ask other people if they have a good, active guild. You really need to get in groups with people who have a vested interest in you, your progression in understanding the game and in completing dungeons. PUG groups and the group finder only cater to ones who want to get thru a dungeon. VERY RARE is the PUG group who are willing to help newer players. IF you should happen to get in one, ask to join their guild immediately.

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure I understand everything you're saying. For example, you say: "You are also level 36? Umm.. that kinda elitist attitude usually does not show up until VR levels, when your character is more defined." What about my attitude is elitist? I feel I've been genuinely polite.

The magicka skills I have (Reflective Light, Restoring Aura, Backlash) either deal out damage at a low magicka cost or heal. As I mentioned, I've been running PvE solo, so the heals are there just to keep me going if no one is around to help. I haven't put anything into magicka and TBH, I almost never run out in a fight. I'm really not bragging, I'm just saying this is my experience. So I might do this for a boss fight:

Blade Cloak, Backlash, Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Light Attack, Biting Jabs, Light Attack, Backlash, Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Light Attack. Drop in Remembrance if I need heals and for AoE I'll add Steel Tornado to the mix, which in my experience does a generous amount of damage.

For the S&S, I run Shield Charge (if I think it will be useful), Pierce Armor if I'm close enough and if not Reflective Light. The I run a Biting Jabs, light attack, biting jabs, reflective light, light attack, pierce armor, biting jabs and so on.

In all seriousness, I run out of stamina long before I run out of magicka.

The only thing I'd advise you is that if you are running in a group dungeon, take Pierce Armor off unless you are the tank. That is a taunt, and if you hit a mob that the tank is trying to hold with it, he may lose aggro.

That sounds a lot like my templar when she was little. Though I only started leveling dual wield now. She's S+B and Resto and can go full tank or full healer by changing gear.

There are many guilds out there that have been active for a long time, but many others that have died out.

Am I correct in assuming you are on Console?

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, fair enough. It's not very clear from the context of the post, especially when combined with the reference that I'm a child and that I need to pick either a nightblade or a templar, because right now I don't have a build (is that the point)?

I was indeed referring to the other people as elitist.
You are a child, in MMO game years, to a LOT of the people posting in this thread. You are actually getting a LOT of experienced gamers to comment. Compare your six months to 25 or more months playing ESO, or 120 months of playing MMOs. Thats not bad we have all been there...
HOWEVER.. you cant CHOOSE that your character is a Nightblade or a Templar, except at character creation. Both are class choices and, once you pressed create, currently irreversible.

Okay, I'm a child in MMO game years. Fair enough - I didn't want to grow up anyway.

As to which class I chose, this really isn't a class issue, is it? Unless people are maintaining that a Templar can't tank or a Templar can't DPS.

Let's try it this way:

Assumption 1: During questing, I can do what I want. Established point.

Assumption 2: During group runs, I should pick a role. A role can be either DPS, Tank or Healer. That's my role for that dungeon, trial, whatever.

Assumption 3: When I make that choice, I then build both skill bars around that choice. So I carry an extra sword and an extra shield around (two slots in my inventory). Now I can set up dual bars of DW or S&S.

Assumption 4: When I tank, I run the S&S skill bars. When I DPS, I run DW skill bars.

What I'm still not understanding, is why this will not work efficiently. I'll add two more assumptions upon which my decision was based:

Assumption 5: There are enough skill points in the game to max out all skills, including passives, of all three Templar skills, all DW skills and all S&S skills. I would also include all medium and heavy armor skills.

Assumption 6: Once a skill reaches 50 (is maxed out), there is nothing further to be done to improve that skill.

Assuming all of the above, then I'm not understanding why what I'm doing is wrong. You can say, "math is math" but as @Artjuh90 points out, when I'm done with Caldwell's gold and silver, the necessary skills will be maxed anyway.

TBC: Not saying I'm right, saying I'm not understanding why I'm wrong.

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

First off.. where is my LOL button?

Lightninvash wrote: »

no you cant play any class just like

Just. Awesome..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

New is a relative term. I've been playing since June of 2015. I don't feel new, but then I haven't run a lot of groups.

Yes, you are a like 6-month old child, sorry,.. some of us have been here since before December 2013, when I got into Beta on this game.. And, like me, some have been playing MMOs for 10 or more years. Yes, you are NEW...

Now.. sorry. I cant let this pass..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

So I shared my build (for that character) and immediately was told it was "wrong." Nightblade, I was told, "should be" using a bow or DW, and two-handed weapons for DPS. 2H was a must. Using anything else is "wrong."

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, for reference, here's the build that caused the grief mentioned in my original post:

Race: Imperial
Class: Templar
Skill Lines: Dual wielding & sword and shied
Level: 36

AP distribution: Magic = 0, Health = 10, Stamina = 25

MaxMagic = 6320
MaxHealth = 9390
MaxStamina = 10676

Magic Recovery = 384
Health Recovery = 267
Stamina Recovery = 582

Spell Damage = 656
Spell Crit = 12.5%

Weapon Damage = 852
Weapon Crit = 24% (S&S), 26.5% (DW)

These are base, unbuffed numbers.

This is what I have on my skill bars right now:

S&S: Pierce Armor, Reflective Light, Biting Jabs, Shield Charge, Restoring Aura. Ult is Empowering Sweeps.
DW: Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Steel Tornado, Backlash, Blade Cloak. Ult is Remembrance.

Armor (Level 34): 4/3 Heavy/Light (because I like the way it looks.).

Sets: 5 Nights Silence, 4 Ashen Grip.

I understand that this is probably a better PvE build than PvP. In Shadowfen, it enabled me solo three of the six group bosses (I couldn't get Captain Bones, Nen Ria, and that damn Rendrasa solo). At the time I ran those groups, I was using level 24 armor and buffs, though (I was level 29-33-ish).

But enough of that.

Not to sound demeaning.. but...

Which is it? Are you a Nightblade or a Templar?
If you are a Stamina Templar (which is a DPS, commonly called a Stamplar) judging by your specs, why do you have all those class skills on your bar that use magicka? They are about as useful as a snowball in a furnace vs the DPS your build suggest you are supposed to be doing.
You are also level 36? Umm.. that kinda elitist attitude usually does not show up until VR levels, when your character is more defined. Were you somewhere where you were autoleveled to VR16 and could not keep up with the group? Like an undaunted dungeon? Frankly. you dont have the skill points avail to keep up with a VR16, much less a lack of Champ Points..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

So, having read all the posts, I'm left with the following question:

If I don't want to run PUGs (pick up groups such as the group finder group or zone chat), because I don't want to deal with the GTFO attitude, then what is my alternative? And really, if the game means that much to you (not judging, just saying), then I don't want to slow you down. I'd rather play with people who want to have fun in a relaxed way.

Is it really just guilds? Because every guild I've joined is dead now.

Yes. pretty much.. Find a guild, you get FIVE whole slots for guilds. Dont stick to just one.. but you may want to save one for a trade guild, to sell stuff, as you wont get much advice there. If one goes dead, especially if the guild leader fails to show up inside of two-three weeks, without notice, its time to drop that guild and ask other people if they have a good, active guild. You really need to get in groups with people who have a vested interest in you, your progression in understanding the game and in completing dungeons. PUG groups and the group finder only cater to ones who want to get thru a dungeon. VERY RARE is the PUG group who are willing to help newer players. IF you should happen to get in one, ask to join their guild immediately.

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure I understand everything you're saying. For example, you say: "You are also level 36? Umm.. that kinda elitist attitude usually does not show up until VR levels, when your character is more defined." What about my attitude is elitist? I feel I've been genuinely polite.

The magicka skills I have (Reflective Light, Restoring Aura, Backlash) either deal out damage at a low magicka cost or heal. As I mentioned, I've been running PvE solo, so the heals are there just to keep me going if no one is around to help. I haven't put anything into magicka and TBH, I almost never run out in a fight. I'm really not bragging, I'm just saying this is my experience. So I might do this for a boss fight:

Blade Cloak, Backlash, Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Light Attack, Biting Jabs, Light Attack, Backlash, Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Light Attack. Drop in Remembrance if I need heals and for AoE I'll add Steel Tornado to the mix, which in my experience does a generous amount of damage.

For the S&S, I run Shield Charge (if I think it will be useful), Pierce Armor if I'm close enough and if not Reflective Light. The I run a Biting Jabs, light attack, biting jabs, reflective light, light attack, pierce armor, biting jabs and so on.

In all seriousness, I run out of stamina long before I run out of magicka.

The only thing I'd advise you is that if you are running in a group dungeon, take Pierce Armor off unless you are the tank. That is a taunt, and if you hit a mob that the tank is trying to hold with it, he may lose aggro.

That sounds a lot like my templar when she was little. Though I only started leveling dual wield now. She's S+B and Resto and can go full tank or full healer by changing gear.

There are many guilds out there that have been active for a long time, but many others that have died out.

Am I correct in assuming you are on Console?

Nope. PC/NA.

Leon119 · December 2015

@RizaHawkeye
S&S with dual isnt bad. Again like many people said it depends on the situation. For maximum dps then by no means bad but there are better options. For pvp actually S&S is strong.
From what i read about your setup the main issue you are probobly having is sustain and thats due to not using medium armor for the passives.
And know that the game is very easy pre veteran areas. Even with minimal dps if u can sustain then you will be ok. A character with optimal lvl 14 gear for example and correct setup can EASILY complete entire main story ( your alliance zone + coldharbour ) without making new gear.
I dont judge you though. I was playing this game since early access and as a templar i was in full heavy armor because of looks trying to heal/dps/tank all at once (trying to be a paladin character ). Even before they nerfed VR zones i pretty much finished all zones with no issues and i was happy with how i was doing.
And then Craglorn came

As you can imagine my setup then didnt work at all in trials and so i followed advice from my brother who was and still is an amaizing dps and a few other guildies to help me become a good healer ( the role i wanted to be from the start )
By following their advice ive built up a foundation of recognising what skills are good and which arent in the situation im in instance wise and groupwise.
Since those early Aetherian Archives run i improved alot to the point where i could solo heal the Mantikora fight in SO pre 1.6 patch, with my raiding guild (almost heroes) finished all hardmodes and be on the top of the leaderboards for sometimes as well.
Ive had equal amounts of fun during both time periods however and thats the important thing.
People are saying that the so called "elitists" are missing the fun of the game when all they care about are numbers but they dont consider that maybe for them thats fun. Everyones definition of it is subjective.
Now to summarize this post:

1) most important thing for a build to complete most solo content is the ability to selfsustain. That means if u are mostly stamina based you need to have some way to keep your stamina reserves from being 0 all the time.

2) play as you want and dont let anyone make you feel bad for doing so. If u want their opinion ask them for it otherwise tell them to keep it to themselves.

3) be mindful that as you want to play the game a certain way that you enjoy and have fun with so do other people, and that way may differ from yours.

4) be open to trying new things. Maybe the build someone suggested to you doesnt appeal to you at all but when you actually try it you will enjoy it.

smacx250 · December 2015

If PC/NA, you might check out the Lone Wolf Help guild. From what I've seen they may generally be more accepting of people who have solo-type builds that want to do group content (though I could be wrong).

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152562/lone-wolf-help-na-friendly-casual-cross-faction

Lava_Croft · December 2015

The only thing that can stop you from playing as you want is you.

Darlgon · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

That's okay. Just wanted to make sure it was understood that I'm not using m-skills to replace stam skills.

Yours (and MaxBats) point about medium armor makes sense. I think I'll go full medium for the stamina passives.

I do wish there was more flexibility in the way ESO designed its game skills. I feel as if my choice to use S&S with DW was like talking in class when I was a girl in Catholic school. I'm waiting for someone to smack my hand now ...

I guess the question I'm left with now is just how big a mistake combining S&S and DW really is.

Sigh.. I am getting to the point where I hope you are still sincere about wanting help. Let me preface this with, while I am familiar and have every class, my Templar is level 19. However, let me hit your build one more time, with a fine tooth comb. I was.. kinda hoping an experience templar would.. but.. here goes anyway..

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, for reference, here's the build that caused the grief mentioned in my original post:

Race: Imperial
Class: Templar
Skill Lines: Dual wielding & sword and shied
Level: 36

Sigh.. most people more commonly call this S&B, fyi, for Sword and Board. Nothing wrong with the combination, except you have no range skills. From your statements that you are DPS, you a Melee DPS with this build. HOWEVER, the S&B makes you an off tank, because you have few DPS skills, but aggro and debuff skills from the S/B line. As you were.. however "not so politely" told, a 2H will out DPS S/B by more than 3x, if geared and traited right. This confusion about what skills and gear to use tells other players you dont know what you want.

Gonna separately add.. At 36, you dont have the skills to pull off full swaps from off-tank to DPS. HOWEVER, at 36, I had at level 50, S/B, Resto Staff, Destro Staff, Bow and DW trained to level 50. (*) If, as a hybrid, I wanted to off tank, I would put S/B and Resto staff on my bar, with the one taunt from the S/B line, and bars to match accordingly. If I wanted to DPS, I would use Bow for range and swap to DW when in melee.

*This can be accomplished by equipping the weapon you are working on, and skills from those lines, on your ACTIVE weapon bar when you turn in quests. So, say you were running S/B and DW to run around Shadowfen. Then, you complete a quest and wayshrine back to the quest giver. Put five skills and an ulitmate that you need to level up on your bar. Equip, say, a bow, since you want to level a bow to 50. Do turn in. The XP for the turnin will level up all 5 skills and the Ulti, plus give you XP on Bows. Using this method, when I hit 45 and Coldharbor, I had all weapon and class skills, except for 2H at 50.

I also had all my armor skills at 50, because I always wore 3 of whatever passive worked with my build, and 2 of each of the other two. Say I was DPS. I would have 3 medium, 2 light and 2 heavy. On turnin, the Medium would level 3x, with the Light and Heavy 2x.

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

AP distribution: Magic = 0, Health = 10, Stamina = 25

MaxMagic = 6320
MaxHealth = 9390
MaxStamina = 10676

Magic Recovery = 384
Health Recovery = 267
Stamina Recovery = 582

Spell Damage = 656
Spell Crit = 12.5%

Weapon Damage = 852
Weapon Crit = 24% (S&S), 26.5% (DW)

These are base, unbuffed numbers.

This is what I have on my skill bars right now:

Armor (Level 34): 4/3 Heavy/Light (because I like the way it looks.).

Sets: 5 Nights Silence, 4 Ashen Grip.

Your Sta to Health and Magica ratio is.. weird in proportion to your max health vs max mag. At those numbers, your Max Sta should be more than double your HP. Do you have all your enchants as Health? If so, that is tanking gear, to be only worn when tanking. If you are DPS, you should have Stamina enchants.

Since you are focused on Stamina, and DPS, your weapon Damage and Crit should be massively more than your spell Dmg/crit. Weapon skills are based of the size of your Stamina pool, but the numbers dont reflect that.

Looks.. pft.. get a racial you like. If you are tanking.. 5 heavy, to activate all the Heavy Armor passives, unless you are a magicka tank, which you are not, and med for the other two slots to help your stamina passives. If you are DPS, 5 Med and, 2 Heavy if you die a lot,(or 2 Light to complement your class skills on your bar if you are un-killable).

Nights Silence.. Hmm.. Err.. Really, "5 pc bonus: Ignore Movement Speed while Stealthed"? Umm.. NO, not unless you are a stealth nightblade focused on Stamina. It give you limited Sta pool/regen and weapon crit. Not good for either a tank or a DPS. Try 5pc Whitestrike, avail in Shadowfen, for the damage shield if tanking, with a 4 set of Deaths WInd, and maybe 5 pc Ashen Grip for your melee DPS gear with a 4 set of Nights Silence for DPS.

See, thats the other issue with building to do more than one job, you have to carry two entire gear sets around, plus swap out skills on your bars. Wykkyd has a gear swapper, and a skill swapper to make it easier, but you have to set it up to change from DPS to Tank.

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

S&S: Pierce Armor, Reflective Light, Biting Jabs, Shield Charge, Restoring Aura. Ult is Empowering Sweeps.
DW: Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs, Steel Tornado, Backlash, Blade Cloak. Ult is Remembrance.

I do get having magicka on your bar to save your Sta pool for DPS.. its just..If you are selling yourself as DPS, you only need to self-heal, not worry about the group. They have a healer for that, most likely. If you are the tank, your jobs is to absorb damage and taunt the mobs, which also takes stamina, and stay alive. Soo..

Pierce Armor: good if you are a tank, horribad if you are DPS.
Reflective light: good for melee, both tank or DPS. Snare a bonus
Bitting Jabs: A Templar signature move..good for both DPS and tanking, just, not as effective with zero points in magicka
Shield Charge: Awesome opening move and gap closer for a tank.. Pretty much a useless slot on your bar for a melee DPS after you charge in and stealing aggro from the tank.
Restoring Aura: You and your allies gain Health, Magicka and Stamina Regen.. It that enough to keep you alive? I am guessing not if you are taking heavy blows from a boss if you are tanking. And. if you are in melee range, same question if you are DPSing. Can it keep you alive?
Empowering Sweeps: Decent for melee range damage

Rending Slashes: DD stamina.. ok..
Biting Jabs: A Templar signature move..good for both DPS and tanking, just, not as effective with zero points in magicka (suggestion on this.. if you are going to use this skill on both weapon swaps, put them both in the same slot, not number 3 on D/B and #2 on DW. You will be more likely to use the right skill without looking at your KB. However, basically, I would suggest a different skill for more dps.. )
Steel Tornado: Sigh.. yeah.. AoE damage.. the most overused DW skill in the game.
Backlash: 28m range skill, direct damage.. just.. not as effective with no points in Magicka
Blade Cloak: Basically, a damage shield.. Good for a tank.. and good for surviveabilty as a DPS.. but.. does it add much to your DPS?

Can you drop Blade Cloak or Restoring Aura and get either more healing, as a tank, or more outgoing damage as a DPS?

Remembrance: a channeled heal Ulti.. Sorry.. have to blunt here.. If you are in melee range, you cant channel without being interruped by hits or having to move from AoEs. If you are a tank, you cant do this, as the boss mob will not allow you to have time to channel. Loose this.. find one that either helps you either survive or DPS, and only take instant cast items.

Check this website out, btw.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Templar

Now, if I have not totally POed you, I hope this helps. How big a mistake combining S/B and DW? Depends on how you define your job when getting in a group.

Darlgon · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

As to which class I chose, this really isn't a class issue, is it? Unless people are maintaining that a Templar can't tank or a Templar can't DPS.

The only problem is.. in your first post, when you started the thread, you said you were a nightblade. When you listed your build, you said you were a templar. This game does not allow one character to be both.

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

That's okay. Just wanted to make sure it was understood that I'm not using m-skills to replace stam skills.

Yours (and MaxBats) point about medium armor makes sense. I think I'll go full medium for the stamina passives.

I do wish there was more flexibility in the way ESO designed its game skills. I feel as if my choice to use S&S with DW was like talking in class when I was a girl in Catholic school. I'm waiting for someone to smack my hand now ...

I guess the question I'm left with now is just how big a mistake combining S&S and DW really is.

Sigh.. I am getting to the point where I hope you are still sincere about wanting help. ...

First, yes, you taking the time to write this does help. Some answers to your questions below.

Darlgon wrote: »

Sigh.. most people more commonly call this S&B, fyi, for Sword and Board."

Thanks, didn't know that.

Darlgon wrote: »

As you were.. however "not so politely" told, a 2H will out DPS S/B by more than 3x, if geared and traited right. This confusion about what skills and gear to use tells other players you dont know what you want.

Really, @Darlgon, this was the purpose for the thread: to answer the question. It's not a confusion about what I "want"; I know what I want. What you're telling me is what I want isn't good or apparently even logical.

Darlgon wrote: »

Gonna separately add.. At 36, you dont have the skills to pull off full swaps from off-tank to DPS. HOWEVER, at 36, I had at level 50, S/B, Resto Staff, Destro Staff, Bow and DW trained to level 50.

I have no idea how you did this, even with your explanation (which, thank you, for that). I ran the Wailing Prison, the starter island, training on all armor and weapon pieces, and I'm a completionist (so I've done every quest, etc., in every zone) ... and I have no skills at level 50. Not one single skill or skill line. DW is the highest at 41.

Darlgon wrote: »

I also had all my armor skills at 50, because I always wore 3 of whatever passive worked with my build, and 2 of each of the other two. Say I was DPS. I would have 3 medium, 2 light and 2 heavy. On turnin, the Medium would level 3x, with the Light and Heavy 2x.

I did this very thing and again, see answer above. I don't know how you got to 50 at 36 as that's not happening for me.

Darlgon wrote: »

Your Sta to Health and Magica ratio is.. weird in proportion to your max health vs max mag. At those numbers, your Max Sta should be more than double your HP. Do you have all your enchants as Health? If so, that is tanking gear, to be only worn when tanking. If you are DPS, you should have Stamina enchants.

I have no enchantments on at this time but planned to do full stamina. The only thing that could possibly be effecting this is the set benefits.

I wasn't wild about Night's Silence as a set, either, but the same guy who recommended Deltia's to me said it would help with stam regen and weapon crit. You noted: "It give you limited Sta pool/regen and weapon crit. Not good for either a tank or a DPS." This is not clear: are you saying the set isn't good or Stam pool/regen and weapon crit aren't good? I assuming the set, which in hindsight was a bad choice. My previous armor set was 5 Death's Wind/4 Ash Grip.

Just to be clear: your saying drop the 5th Night's Silence to pick up a 5th Ash Grip for DPS?

Darlgon wrote: »

Wykkyd has a gear swapper, and a skill swapper to make it easier, but you have to set it up to change from DPS to Tank.

I do run Wykkyd but I'm not going to worry about this for now. I'll leave S/B for solo questing and focus on getting my DPS in shape for grouping.

Darlgon wrote: »

I do get having magicka on your bar to save your Sta pool for DPS.. its just..If you are selling yourself as DPS, you only need to self-heal, not worry about the group.

Sorry if this wasn't made clear but these are my skills when I'm soloing. So the self-heals are there for me. I've never healed in a group. If there's a healer around, I do drop those from the bar for more DPS skills. I wouldn't use this same skill set for running with a group.

Again, @Darlgon, I'm not spamming Backlash; I'm simply using it to enhance my DPS skills. I launch it at a mob or boss at the beginning of the fight and six seconds later it's returns up to 2400(?) damage. If the mob dies before then, no real problem. If not, then it takes significant damage. Granted, it would be more effective (I could use it more) if I put more attribute points into magicka. Between this and Reflective Light are skills I can go to if I do burn out of stamina.

Darlgon wrote: »

Now, if I have not totally POed you, I hope this helps.

Was POing me the goal? Sorry, you'll have to try harder.

Thanks again for writing this up. It was helpful.

(Oh, and the nightblade reference was a brain slip. I do have a second Nightblade character, but it's a straight up nightblade DPS.)

Darlgon · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I have no idea how you did this, even with your explanation (which, thank you, for that). I ran the Wailing Prison, the starter island, training on all armor and weapon pieces, and I'm a completionist (so I've done every quest, etc., in every zone) ... and I have no skills at level 50. Not one single skill or skill line. DW is the highest at 41.

I did this very thing and again, see answer above. I don't know how you got to 50 at 36 as that's not happening for me.

Part of the answer to both of those is that .. ZoS increased your XP, which actully means I took longer to get to 36, meaning I had more useage of my gear/weapons, which also levels the gear and skills.

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Your Sta to Health and Magica ratio is.. weird in proportion to your max health vs max mag. At those numbers, your Max Sta should be more than double your HP. Do you have all your enchants as Health? If so, that is tanking gear, to be only worn when tanking. If you are DPS, you should have Stamina enchants.

I have no enchantments on at this time but planned to do full stamina. The only thing that could possibly be effecting this is the set benefits.

I wasn't wild about Night's Silence as a set, either, but the same guy who recommended Deltia's to me said it would help with stam regen and weapon crit. You noted: "It give you limited Sta pool/regen and weapon crit. Not good for either a tank or a DPS." This is not clear: are you saying the set isn't good or Stam pool/regen and weapon crit aren't good? I assuming the set, which in hindsight was a bad choice. My previous armor set was 5 Death's Wind/4 Ash Grip.

Just to be clear: your saying drop the 5th Night's Silence to pick up a 5th Ash Grip for DPS?

Yes, mainly because the Nights Silence 5 set bonus is reduced Sta cost when sneaking.. Not as good, unless you SNEAK EVERYWHERE, as giving you MORE DPS when you are supposed to be DPSing with the fire blast from Ashen Grip.

altemriel · December 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

@RizaHawkeye I know that comments of some people here may sound harsh, but the truth is, that as in every activity (let say some sport as an example) there are ways and styles that are proven to be most useful, that bring the most performance and effectivity in their results ...

... These people somehow seem to take their PRO role, their PRO experience so serious, that they totally seem to forget that not everyone is so experienced as they feel they are and they threat rookies "as ***" - GTFO attitude. (I would not take the "GTFO" from @Alcast so personally , if you would watch some of his videos, you would learn that he is a nice guy, but sometimes he like to swear too (why not, I do it sometimes too ), but he has huge credit for creating his videos which for sure help a big part of the player community) ...

I once ran into one guy in a group dungeon, random group, zone chat, he was first very nervous when we had to wait 5 minuts for one player to be ready to do the dungeon, he went totally crazy about him. Then when he saw that we are rookies, he was shaming us all in the group chat and telling us to learn to play, then we ended up one person leaving the group because feeling really bad because of this "PRO" guy and then finally also that "PRO" guy left the group. The first thing I did is putting him to ignore list.
...

Okay, again thanks for this.

As I said in my original post, I feel I have a fairly thick skin. I've tried to express my appreciation for the comments, even including Alcasts', by making sure everyone got positive feedback. I've not found the comments particularly harsh and I'm okay with being corrected. Really.

@Alcast is a nice guy (although I know nothing about him other than what he's posted in this thread)? Okay, I'll accept that. Profanity clearly doesn't bother me (as can be seen from my own posts). I will look for his videos because I really do want to learn.

No one has beat up on me to the point that I am upset. Really. My only comment on the harshness is if people want to dish it out, then they should be willing to accept it back. No one gets to be jerk just because they can be.

good then

.

And check out also Sypher`s and Deltia`s videos, they are very good too

Knootewoot · December 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

<Well stated observation>

Frankly my dear, ESO is what you make of it:

1 For some, its a solo game. You really dont need a group, heck, or even a guild, until you get to Craglorn. The game claims, and with so much solo content, proves to be, build how you want.
2. For some, its all about being helpful to the group. (#See 3 below.) personal style and builds are good sometimes, but the hardest, end-game content needs the trinity.. sometimes.. I also hear of people speed running thru Undaunted dungeons with all 4 DPS too. Sometimes, your special snowflake build, like my VR16 hybrid healer build is enough and can make or break the group. However, (See 3).. some people will tell you that your build does not match their standards. Unless your group fails repeatedly, and YOU feel its your fault.. tell them to go find a corner, they need some stress relief.
3. For a large part of those who are lef still playing the gamet, they feel they or some elitist know-it-all streamer has the magic bullet for everything. That ONLY those with x build by some idiot who plays lets others watch over his shoulder as he plays his 8th VR16 knows how to play the game.. (BTW, some of them are less competent because they got lazy and have no real idea how to do anything but kill other players.) THOSE ELITIST SCUM, can indeed ruin your fun and will tell you how to do everything. Frankly, sometimes, they are right. Mostly tho, just tell them "Welcome to my ignore list." You may not be able to to a WGT run in 10 min, but, you may not want to either.

Well said

NBrookus · December 2015

smacx250 wrote: »

If PC/NA, you might check out the Lone Wolf Help guild. From what I've seen they may generally be more accepting of people who have solo-type builds that want to do group content (though I could be wrong).

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152562/lone-wolf-help-na-friendly-casual-cross-faction

It's a great guild; very laid back and very helpful. I will be happy to send you an invite if you want one.

@RizaHawkeye Being a hybrid at level 36 seems pretty normal to me. While you should do your best to fulfill a particular role in group content, anyone with their panties in a twist that a level 36 character doesn't have a min/maxxed build is the one with the problem.

If you are uncertain where your character is going to go endgame, by all means level up all those weapon and armor lines and learn what you like and is effective for you. Eventually if you want to keep doing harder group content, you'll have to focus on a primary role, with maybe a backup role; or you'll find a regular group you run with that your hybrid build meshes well with.

acw37162 · December 2015

Yes, you can play any charachter you want.

No, everyone may not love your charachter the way you do.

Yes, strangers on the Internet will tell you your wrong.

No, you don't have to listen to them either.

Yes, some of your friends may critique your build, choices, etc.

No, you don't have to change it.

Yes, if you rock a unauthorx, non-meta, you-tube, min-max build people will eye you suspiciously but if you solo a dungeon boss while rezing three teemates or constantly kicking ass in PVP people will copy you.

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

NBrookus wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

If PC/NA, you might check out the Lone Wolf Help guild. From what I've seen they may generally be more accepting of people who have solo-type builds that want to do group content (though I could be wrong).

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152562/lone-wolf-help-na-friendly-casual-cross-faction

It's a great guild; very laid back and very helpful. I will be happy to send you an invite if you want one.

@RizaHawkeye Being a hybrid at level 36 seems pretty normal to me. While you should do your best to fulfill a particular role in group content, anyone with their panties in a twist that a level 36 character doesn't have a min/maxxed build is the one with the problem.

If you are uncertain where your character is going to go endgame, by all means level up all those weapon and armor lines and learn what you like and is effective for you. Eventually if you want to keep doing harder group content, you'll have to focus on a primary role, with maybe a backup role; or you'll find a regular group you run with that your hybrid build meshes well with.

Thanks and I would love an invitation.

KingYogi415 · December 2015

Short answer is YES

You can play any way you want, with enough cp that is.

If you have 300+ Champion Points you can tell them off.

At low cp <200 you need to follow the meta.