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Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other - (Explain)I have no dog in this fight as I don't have access to Alliance or Undaunted skill lines or sets.
I think a better solution would be to make Alliance and Undaunted skills only affect other players when you cast them and have no effect on yourself (kind of like most of the tool tips lead you to believe they work). That way there would be no solo benefit from these skills and since you use these skills in groups you would still gain the benefit of them in a group.
At the very least they should have no effect on you if you are not in a group. If you are in a group, the folks you are grouped with have to be in the same area and instance as you for you to gain benefit from the cast.
Edit: broke it up a bit, hope it makes more senseEdited by Casdha on December 28, 2015 8:41PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills@Cuyler everyone is getting something for nothing. Not just PvPers.
Which is why you cannot justify letting pvp skills be earned without actually pvping.
Gear is one thing. Skill lines are something else.Edited by ralonasan on December 28, 2015 8:33PMThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
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☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
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☐ Natch Potes.
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☐ Working as intended.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
I don't hate PvP, actually I find it enjoyable when I'm in there..and my K:D ratio is decent, I do okay. It's not that at all. I was actually for you guys getting to buy these until most of you turned around and said NO to all PvEers requests to limit our PvP time. Now as I said I revert that sentiment and parrot the same flawed and hyprocritcal ideologies PvPers do. So go do the dungeons if you want your Helms!Sallington wrote: »
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
I don't know ANY PvPers that asked to be able to buy monster sets with AP. Most of us would be happy if they at least scaled up the PvP AP sets to v16. AP is pretty worthless right now, so it's about time we will be able to spend it on something.
And if you hate PvP so much, why do you even care, besides your epeen being able to say "I have the gear and you don't!!!". It's not like you'd go into Cyrodil to fight anyone anyway. It's just you vs. the computer, so what's the big deal if some other players actually get rewarded for all the time they spend fighting for their alliance?
Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 8:38PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
You have blinded yourself with hatred of PVP players.
The question was, "Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?". Most guys here are saying, "No, unless they play PVP."
If the question was about pvp players having access to helms without playing pve the answer should be "No, unless they play PVE".
These people are answering the question at hand and you come on here raging like a child. GTFO!PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
ZOS, 1-12-20161 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Hahahahahaah, valid point
The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsMrGigglypants wrote: »I wonder why PvPers are so stingy with Alliance war skills? Not wanting PvE players to be able to use them. You dont see PvE players saying that PvPers shouldnt have their skills,do ya? Just saying.
Because there's not a such thing as a pve player just players. And it's an mmo if you want something go earn it regardless of how.
I agree with this completely. Almost.
I dread grinding out PvP skills. I enjoy being with guild mates, but the actual PvP is so meh to me. But I am fine earning things the hard way.
On the other hand, I can't stand when they modify skills to pacify PvP complaints when the skills are fine as is in PvE. I also dread adding new modes of competitive play as it is just adding another things that people will want balanced. If PvP did not exist in ESO, I probably would not miss it as rebalancing skills has more than cancelled out the added value of PvP for me.
It is absurd that the fact that people with way more CP than me have builds that could block forever in PvP led ZOS to nerf blocking for everyone.0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, but not entirely no.
The issue for me is not that there are skills that are exclusive to PvP and some that are exclusive to group dungeons, it's that there's no parity.
- It takes significantly longer to max the PvP skill lines compared to the Undaunted skill line.
- The leveling process itself is harder (PvP vs PvE).
- The PvP skills are way more important than the Undaunted skills. There is simply no alternative to Vigor or Caltrops, which makes grinding AP mandatory for most stamina PvE builds.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.1 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
You have blinded yourself with hatred of PVP players.
The question was, "Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?". Most guys here are saying, "No, unless they play PVP."
If the question was about pvp players having access to helms without playing pve the answer should be "No, unless they play PVE".
These people are answering the question at hand and you come on here raging like a child. GTFO!
It's all QOL issues, play how you want to play issues, etc. etc. In my book, they are one in the same. It comes down to forcing people to play parts of the game they have little to no interest in. In that regard, PvPers have gotten a break here. PvErs not so much, for reasons I've explained, again in a previously linked thread.
Want to add the child rage mentality is a direct parrot of the PvP rage mentality, see what I did there?Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 8:50PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 8:51PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
"How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]0 -
robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
You are going to find a lot of people that disagree with you. Not because we are "hypocritical pvpers" but because we think that each person should have to do all parts of the game to max their character. Don't be so quick to rage out on the community next time.PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
ZOS, 1-12-20160 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
Right? Hahaha. All good. I honestly didn't notice you were tagged at all in the chain until you mentioned it. I thought it was just quoting the most recent post.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
This is the fundamental response to this thread but everyone simply spews that out and stops there. Why are they so different exactly? Please elaborate. I don't think it's that cut and dry."ralonasan wrote: »Gear is one thing. Skill lines are something else.
Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 9:00PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsJust what we need more rapid maneuvers and now caltrops spammed in the cities and banks.
Have you maybe not considered the PvE content is not balanced against the PvP skills also?
Sounds like unfair advantage against NPCs.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
I appreciate the objectivity I really do. And I agree I'm raging, but it's not a knee jerk reaction. It's been weeks since this was announced with plenty of discussion back and forth. The issue is polarized at this point with plenty of time for PvPers to voice many of their very narrow minded opinions. I will also agree that my statements here are hypocritical and narrow minded in there own right. That's the point though, these are not meant for an audience logical people but for a polarized mob of PvP sheeple. So take them with a grain of salt as they were not meant to be the foundation of a solution to the problem in the first place. I've already tried that. Unfortunately the discussion has devolved into the PvP majority zerging these threads to spew the narrow-mindedness with any and all excuses they can come up with to dismiss they get the bone toss this time. IMO it's justified.
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
You are going to find a lot of people that disagree with you. Not because we are "hypocritical pvpers" but because we think that each person should have to do all parts of the game to max their character. Don't be so quick to rage out on the community next time.Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 9:19PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
I appreciate the objectivity I really do. And I agree I'm raging, but it's not a knee jerk reaction. It's been weeks since this was announced with plenty of discussion back and forth. The issue is polarized at this point with plenty of time for PvPers to voice many of their very narrow minded opinions. I will also agree that my statements here are hypocritical and narrow minded in there own right. That's the point though, these are not meant for an audience logical people but for a polarized mob of PvP sheeple. So take them with a grain of salt as they were not meant to be the foundation of a solution to the problem in the first place. Unfortunately the discussion has devolved into the PvP majority zerging these threads to spew the narrow-mindedness with any and other excuses they can come up with.
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
You are going to find a lot of people that disagree with you. Not because we are "hypocritical pvpers" but because we think that each person should have to do all parts of the game to max their character. Don't be so quick to rage out on the community next time.
It's funny because most of the "PvP sheeple" I see are agreeing that your should need to PvE for PvE rewards and PvP for PvP rewards.
As has been stated, your beef is with the horrendous excuse for a loot system, not with PvPers.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsSallington wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
The thing is that PvPers will be able to get the monster sets without having to actually earn it, the ones that actually went through the grind to get them earned it, buying it with AP you get from a mindless zergfest isn't earning it, imo.
TIL fighting other players is more mindless than running the same dungeons 100 times.
I learned already that I could never have that level of commitment to an MMO. No game has enough interesting content to absorb all my gaming hours of the course of a few years.0 -
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✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
I do have beef with the Loot system, but no less than the PvP community in general on this topic. That is, not being more supportive of the QOL increase ideas across the board. We all want to play how we want to play at the end of the day.Sallington wrote: »
I appreciate the objectivity I really do. And I agree I'm raging, but it's not a knee jerk reaction. It's been weeks since this was announced with plenty of discussion back and forth. The issue is polarized at this point with plenty of time for PvPers to voice many of their very narrow minded opinions. I will also agree that my statements here are hypocritical and narrow minded in there own right. That's the point though, these are not meant for an audience logical people but for a polarized mob of PvP sheeple. So take them with a grain of salt as they were not meant to be the foundation of a solution to the problem in the first place. Unfortunately the discussion has devolved into the PvP majority zerging these threads to spew the narrow-mindedness with any and other excuses they can come up with.
Quotes are hard...lol just ignore that entirely then, my name was tagged weird
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
You are going to find a lot of people that disagree with you. Not because we are "hypocritical pvpers" but because we think that each person should have to do all parts of the game to max their character. Don't be so quick to rage out on the community next time.
It's funny because most of the "PvP sheeple" I see are agreeing that your should need to PvE for PvE rewards and PvP for PvP rewards.
As has been stated, your beef is with the horrendous excuse for a loot system, not with PvPers.Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 9:36PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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LoreRiley✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo! For the love of God stop asking0
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zZzleepyhead✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsPvE =! PvP
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✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyDear PVP players. You are welcome for my tireless posting that may have gotten you buyable PVE loot
Dear PVE players. Thank me later for my tireless posting that may have helped you get an easier to progress AvA line.Rest in Peace:
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✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsThis thread has so many posts worthy of the long lost LOL button.0 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyI want everything for free0
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Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyThis thread's question genuinely weirds me out...is it suggesting that the Alliance War skill lines be taken away if a player doesn't do X amount of PvP play or something? ...Assault/Support/etc are unlockable skill lines like any other. Only makes sense that some players will have goodies and skills from PvP play, and vice versa. I thought that was how all MMO's worked.
We're all basically PvE players, sometimes we try to stab each other. No biggie. The constant feuding is bizarro. Like PC vs Mac, hahRedguard Templar "Suhail" « VR1 « Archer « Sword & Board « Restro Staff
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsEvery good pvp player is also a good pve player, it takes more skill to fight a real player than an artificial one.Look at sypher , fengrush or others famous players. Usually who hates pvp it's because isn't skilled enought to do it, and prefeare to pve to feel satisfied.
I like both pve and pvp,i don't whine grinding ava or doing undaunted pledge, am i the chosen?
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Grendel_at_ESO✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsWe should be able to roll a new toon at max level, with all skills and all the best gear. Then we can say we won and move on to the next crap game.1
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyI encourage ZOS to not be swayed by this poll and its supposed results but instead send an ingame mail to every player asking them what they feel as well. These forums DO NOT! represent the majority of player's. Only an unsilent minority. If we want to get real concensus then do it in game.
ZOS didn't ask and I'm pretty sure they don't care. Working as intended.I encourage ZOS to not be swayed by this poll and its supposed results but instead send an ingame mail to every player asking them what they feel as well. These forums DO NOT! represent the majority of player's. Only an unsilent minority. If we want to get real concensus then do it in game.
ZOS didn't ask and I'm pretty sure they don't care. Working as intended.
Yup, I guess they don't care, but it seems they didn't listen to this elitist whine poll either. Pve'rs will get those skills after all lol
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urkonse✭✭✭Other - (Explain)pve & pvp are different things but still all skills shall be available to everyone.....as everyone is able to join either pve or pvp
and pvp skills kinda doesnt help on pve lot , except vigor i think?
game is meant to be pve + pvp so DEAL WITH IT >_>
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✭Other - (Explain)I think pve players should be forced to pvp for those skills, but i have put many many hours into pvp and am only half way done skills... I think the decision to still require pvp but lesson the ap requirement was the best choice. Not only for pve players but also for pvp players who mostly want to farm in zergs for AP. Hopefully this will encourage pvp for the sake of pvp rather than a desperate grind for your skill line.0 -
Alorier✭✭✭✭No PvE players should be forced to PvP and PvPers should be forced to run dungeons to get monster helms I've had to and I'm not whinging0
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✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo, and I say that as a pure PvEer.0