I encourage ZOS to not be swayed by this poll and its supposed results but instead send an ingame mail to every player asking them what they feel as well. These forums DO NOT! represent the majority of player's. Only an unsilent minority. If we want to get real concensus then do it in game.

Baconfat79 wrote: »

PvP players have to "grind" PvE content for certain skills too. It's fair. I actually like that system. It forces you to at least try out another aspect of the game, which you might otherwise ignore completely, and who knows...you might find that you enjoy it more than you thought you would.

+1 This. I don't love PvP but I enjoy it more than I thought I would.

EDS604 wrote: »

no, but i do think undaunted and alliance war should be accountwide. so people still have to do some work for it, but not forced to do it on multiple characters

I like this idea too!

Aquanova wrote: »

I encourage ZOS to not be swayed by this poll and its supposed results but instead send an ingame mail to every player asking them what they feel as well. These forums DO NOT! represent the majority of player's. Only an unsilent minority. If we want to get real concensus then do it in game.

ZOS didn't ask and I'm pretty sure they don't care. Working as intended.

Edit double

No, no participation trophy for you.

WORK = REWARD

Move along, nothing to see here....next entitlement poll please : )

dude there's a ton of stuff in the game that makes you stronger but requires pve, not nearly as much stuff like that for pvp

PvP players must PvE for a competitive edge in PvP. Why shouldn't PvE players have to do the same? Why should there be no rewards exclusive to PvP just because some people don't wanna PvP? Accept that both parts of the game are equal and both deserve exclusive rewards. If you don't wanna PvP, learn to live without the benefits dedicated PvP offers. If you want those benefits, then do PvP- just as how PvP players who wants PvE benefits are forced to do something they might not enjoy. Very simple.

No ones forcing you to do anything. But my final stance is there needs to be some benefit and reward exclusive to playing PvP.

That's one biased poll that backfired beautifully lol

Personally I do not think PvP skills should be gained without doing the content just as I think certain PvE skills should not be gained without doing its content (undaunted for example).

This game has several different facets of gameplay to enjoy and participate in if you want the rewards to go along with it. You want to craft the best gear? Level crafting. You want to get Vigor and other skills, head to Cyrodil.

You CAN level up your alliance rank doing essentially "pve" things without engaging IN pvp if for some reason you are unable to really join the large fights (older computer that can't handle it or whatever) by doing scouting missions and I do believe that should continue to be an option, albeit a VERY grindy/slow option for those whose systems may be unable to handle it because there is still the chance of engaging in the specific content for the rewards (you are still at risk of being killed, you are exploring the PvP lake, etc).

I am, admittedly, really opinionated in this regard because I have seen in numerous other games groups doing specific content wanting EVERYTHING accessible to them for their own thing, and that often leads to problems of people complaining of nothing to do as they burn through what they know sooo fast and then demand more of what they have. This way you have to reach outside your comfort zone a little to get some of the perks and you can either find something new you love doing or you can simply set your eye on the prize and just get it done and never do it again, but at least you earned it.

That's my opinion on the matter at least.

PvE player who occasionally dabbles in PvP and the answer is still no.

It's just a bad idea. There are certain rewards for doing different things in the game. Vet dungeon monster sets, trial gear, IC stuff, and PvP gears / skill line. Each has a place and purpose.

Still haven't unlocked vigor, but looking forward to earnings it.

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

PvE player who occasionally dabbles in PvP and the answer is still no.

It's just a bad idea. There are certain rewards for doing different things in the game. Vet dungeon monster sets, trial gear, IC stuff, and PvP gears / skill line. Each has a place and purpose.

Still haven't unlocked vigor, but looking forward to earnings it.

I'm about 80k AP away from doing so.

Eocosa wrote: »

Personally I do not think PvP skills should be gained without doing the content just as I think certain PvE skills should not be gained without doing its content (undaunted for example).

This game has several different facets of gameplay to enjoy and participate in if you want the rewards to go along with it. You want to craft the best gear? Level crafting. You want to get Vigor and other skills, head to Cyrodil.

You CAN level up your alliance rank doing essentially "pve" things without engaging IN pvp if for some reason you are unable to really join the large fights (older computer that can't handle it or whatever) by doing scouting missions and I do believe that should continue to be an option, albeit a VERY grindy/slow option for those whose systems may be unable to handle it because there is still the chance of engaging in the specific content for the rewards (you are still at risk of being killed, you are exploring the PvP lake, etc).

I am, admittedly, really opinionated in this regard because I have seen in numerous other games groups doing specific content wanting EVERYTHING accessible to them for their own thing, and that often leads to problems of people complaining of nothing to do as they burn through what they know sooo fast and then demand more of what they have. This way you have to reach outside your comfort zone a little to get some of the perks and you can either find something new you love doing or you can simply set your eye on the prize and just get it done and never do it again, but at least you earned it.

That's my opinion on the matter at least.

The only way I was able to get my alliance rank up was by joining a PVP guild. I tried and tried without a PVP guild, but couldn't. I got what I wanted, it sucked, and I left, but only after doing dedicated PVP.

I recently have started to try again and I don't get why people want to be in Cyrodiil. I was spoiled by being a solo-player in Chillrend, but not that option is gone and I have tried being part of a guild again, I realize the lag in high pop servers really is as bad as people make it out to be and the whole group hated it.

I will propose this idea again. Everyone that doesn't like to do PVE or PVP isn't forced to participate in them. Give other objectives that players can accomplish while in their preferred way of playing which will level up the skill that they normally hate to get. It makes no sense for everyone to want to force everyone else to do things which they hate just out of spite or just because of an imaginary notion about how important "working" towards things is.

certain skills have become staples of PVE builds.

Create comparable skills in other trees, give access to PVP skills, or only allow access to Assult and support skills while in Cyrodil or IC.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Stuff

I offer all undaunted skills, motifs, helmets, and shoulders on a silver platter for free. Stop vindictively punishing PVE players for something that they have no control over.

You can't offer s(*)
It's Zen's job to do that.

And they will not, because PvP players Have to work their asses off to get it.
And guess what? So should PvE players work their asses off to get it. I did.
I'm a freaking roleplayer and i did Both PvE and PvP for the sake of a fancy title and pretty skills. Freaking GET OVER IT...

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Personofsecrets wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

This thread is just a cry for free stuff without having to do anything for it

Instead of going to Cyro and work hard to earn the Alliance War skills

There isn't a whole lot of working hard for AP. It is always abusing tics, playing in a group that has a chance of lag killing other zergs, wall repair, or rapid regeneration spam. All of Cyrodiil is pretty crappy.

Same thing again:

Some ppl don't like repeating the same dungeons over and over again for the Undaunted Skills or Passives, or going around stealing things to lvl their Legerdemain, or like you don't like to go through the "crappy PvP".

But you can't deny, if you work for it, then you've truly earned the skills. They're not a privilege, they're a right once you've earned that right at least.

Just like I explained in my Metaphor: don't go asking daddy to buy you a smartphone (asking ZOS to allow Alliance War skills to be gained through PvE)

It may be crap to you, but in the end you'll enjoy the rewards

I don't care about the Undaunted or what PVP players have to do. It doesn't matter. I offer all undaunted skills, motifs, helmets, and shoulders on a silver platter for free. Stop vindictively punishing PVE players for something that they have no control over.

And yes, I can deny that 'working for things' equates to 'earning things.' Let's suppose that I don't go that route (which I could because it is just an imaginary notion), then I could argue that I am working right now by writing these responses and that if I work hard enough, then I may earn the things that I am calling for, for all PVE players, by moving the developers into action. How is that for "working" and earning something. As if any of this game represents work to begin with is beyond belief.

1. I never once said anything about PvP players, I was talking about players in general
2. How exactly are PvE players punished? By simply PvEing they can lvl up all of their skills except for 2: the Alliance War skills. They can get all of the gear they want, farm anything they like, do whatever dungeon they feel like... So where's the punishment? 2 Skill lines that contain inferior skills compared to the Class/Weapon/Guild skills. PvP skills can be used anywhere, but they shine in Cyrodiil since there are better alternatives to PvE play.
3. Working by writing responses? Sounds like begging to me. Again, same as asking for free stuff from ZOS (smartphone metaphore, yeah, I'm rubbing it in now )
4. "As if any of this game represents work to begin with is beyond belief." -> So you want everything unlocked from the start? Every Skill at 50, every morph available at rank 4 from the beginning,... Ever hear of the Chinese saying: A thousand mile journey begins with a single step? In a game, you're supposed to progress, especially in an RPG like this one.

All in all, there's no reason to simply give PvE players the skills from the Alliance War skill lines, or any alternatives for that matter. It would also break immersion a bit, because how can you earn "War" skills without going to War?