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Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?
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MrGigglypants✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI wonder why PvPers are so stingy with Alliance war skills? Not wanting PvE players to be able to use them. You dont see PvE players saying that PvPers shouldnt have their skills,do ya? Just saying.
Because there's not a such thing as a pve player just players. And it's an mmo if you want something go earn it regardless of how.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyMrGigglypants wrote: »I wonder why PvPers are so stingy with Alliance war skills? Not wanting PvE players to be able to use them. You dont see PvE players saying that PvPers shouldnt have their skills,do ya? Just saying.
Because there's not a such thing as a pve player just players. And it's an mmo if you want something go earn it regardless of how.
Then PvPers should just go and earn the undaunted helms in the dungeons instead of having a merchant for it to skip what they feel are the boring parts of the game. If anyone here that tells PvEr's to earn the alliance war skills go and buy a helm from that merchant you'll just show how big of a hypocrite you PvPers are. If any PvPer thinks of buying the helm that way then they got no right to tell PvEr's to go earn things through something they think is boring.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on December 27, 2015 2:54AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD2 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm not surprised that PvE players, who are used to doing the same braindead repetitive content every single day, don't like to play PvP.Edited by Lava_Croft on December 28, 2015 6:19PM0 -
robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)PVE players have access to alliance skills. They just have to go to cyrodiil to do quests.PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
ZOS, 1-12-20160 -
Barlthump✭✭✭PVP players could get their progress in Undaunted skill line by doing Kill Enemy Players, Capture Resource, Capture Scroll and other quests but they would not gain Undaunted keys that way.
PVE players could get their progress in Assault and Support skill lines by doing Undaunted pledges.
Soo you get the best of both worlds doing pve while I just get undaunted mettle? Nah, maybe if I could get a chance at the monster sets while turning in pvp quests and rewards for the worthy, I would consider turning my no into a yes0 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have more V16 toons than I care to admit and not one has made it past Undaunted level 4 or 5. Every time I get excited about getting a 6% increase to each stat, I agree to run dungeons with my dungeon running friends. About 2-3 dungeons later I'm done for another couple months...
Any activity that is scored according to things like speed runs is not good gaming. It's mindless grinding of the same AI.
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo and its not forcing them to do anything.
If you don't want to PvP then don't worry about the PvP skills.0 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyLava_Croft wrote: »I'm not surprised that PvE players, who are used to doing the same braindead repetitive content every single day, don't like to play PvP.
funny cause lagg fest cyrodiil is more braindead then the PvE content
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsBalticBlues wrote: »
THIS. Forcing PVE players into PVP always has been a bad idea.You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks.
The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Currently, V16 glyphs and essential skills are locked behind PVP.
Only the PVP folks are happy about that to get easy kills.
And now the PVP folks even get the best PVE gear without doing PVE.
The PVP folks can play what they like.
The PVE folks are forced to play what they don't like.
This is not how a game should work.
By that logic I could claim I'm forced to pve for 65 levels in order to pvp effectively. I'm forced to collect lore books and sykshards outside of cyrodiil to pvp effectively. I'm forced to do pve vampire and werewolf quests if I want to pvp with those skills.
Clear enough for you?
If I want a skill from a certain aspect of the game. I will go participate in whatever is required for that skill.
And for anyone making the monster set argument.
They are available to all players. For AP or gold. The vendor is for the entire community that is sick of horrible rng as a whole.
This stupid poll might as well turn and ask for skill lines from undaunted and assault/support to be available in the crown store.
Gtfo l2p gitgud all that jazz
/threadThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?4 -
bryanhaas✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsIf you want the rewards put in the work, coming from someone who despises PVP.PS4 NA AD GM formerly known as GM of "The Children of the Void"
9 trait crafter I do all the things (Yes I mean ALL the things ;0).
Price list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FTV7ACtmEpQQwsEiHVcrBxC0zKaj6LKvc3An7dGG2t0/edit?usp=sharing
Youtube: MaulochBaal https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRav05_8nWGvlTrfBBefaEw/featured1 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyIf you want the rewards put in the work, coming from someone who despises PVP.
Shouldn't PvPers put in the work for monster helms then and do the dungeons?R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillscosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rngThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?1 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sure they can have them, if I can get undaunted passives for my chars without doing PvE
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyAfter hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to be baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Edited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 7:45PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
"How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsAfter hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brainThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?2 -
Decado✭✭✭✭It wouldn't be so bad if they added in a PvE token system, undaunted points or whatever and then let the PvE only guys buy it what those, make it either AP/UP or gold that would satisfy most people I think0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena or engine gaurdian is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena or guardian helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brainEdited by Cuyler on December 28, 2015 8:03PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
"How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslycosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
If you think it's not mainly for PvPers then you're delusional, it's for the PvPers that're too lazy to go and actually earn the helms by themselves and prefer to just blob up in pvp and do a mindless zerg instead of actually earning it like the rest of us have.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?1 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
I don't know ANY PvPers that asked to be able to buy monster sets with AP. Most of us would be happy if they at least scaled up the PvP AP sets to v16. AP is pretty worthless right now, so it's about time we will be able to spend it on something.
And if you hate PvP so much, why do you even care, besides your epeen being able to say "I have the gear and you don't!!!". It's not like you'd go into Cyrodil to fight anyone anyway. It's just you vs. the computer, so what's the big deal if some other players actually get rewarded for all the time they spend fighting for their alliance?Daggerfall Covenant
Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||1 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
The thing is that PvPers will be able to get the monster sets without having to actually earn it, the ones that actually went through the grind to get them earned it, buying it with AP you get from a mindless zergfest isn't earning it, imo.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
If you think it's not mainly for PvPers then you're delusional, it's for the PvPers that're too lazy to go and actually earn the helms by themselves and prefer to just blob up in pvp and do a mindless zerg instead of actually earning it like the rest of us have.
There was WAY more threads about bad dungeon rng than there was about pvp players having to pve to get bis gear. I think the update is to shish the pve carebears about rng and zos decided to throw pvp a bone while they were at it. Seriously.PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
ZOS, 1-12-20161 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillscosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
The thing is that PvPers will be able to get the monster sets without having to actually earn it, the ones that actually went through the grind to get them earned it, buying it with AP you get from a mindless zergfest isn't earning it, imo.
TIL fighting other players is more mindless than running the same dungeons 100 times.Daggerfall Covenant
Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||1 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillscosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
If you think it's not mainly for PvPers then you're delusional, it's for the PvPers that're too lazy to go and actually earn the helms by themselves and prefer to just blob up in pvp and do a mindless zerg instead of actually earning it like the rest of us have.
There was WAY more threads about bad dungeon rng than there was about pvp players having to pve to get bis gear. I think the update is to shish the pve carebears about rng and zos decided to throw pvp a bone while they were at it. Seriously.
Thank you.......The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillscosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
The thing is that PvPers will be able to get the monster sets without having to actually earn it, the ones that actually went through the grind to get them earned it, buying it with AP you get from a mindless zergfest isn't earning it, imo.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say you don't know what non sequitur means.
For the last time. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. Running around grinding mobs for gold and drops to buy the helm is the same stupid argument you're trying to make.
ZOS is bypassing their crap rng code period. Not catering to zerg balls or even pve grinders. It's a lazy fix to a larger problem that benefits everyone.
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☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
The thing is that PvPers will be able to get the monster sets without having to actually earn it, the ones that actually went through the grind to get them earned it, buying it with AP you get from a mindless zergfest isn't earning it, imo.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say you don't know what non sequitur means.
For the last time. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. Running around grinding mobs for gold and drops to buy the helm is the same stupid argument you're trying to make.
ZOS is bypassing their crap rng code period. Not catering to zerg balls or even pve grinders. It's a lazy fix to a larger problem that benefits everyone.
^^^^ This.
Seriously guys. This shouldn't be Pvp vs. Pve. The vendor is being created to fix a broken dungeon rng system. Its a terrible idea. We should all agree with this topic, fix the broken rng so we can all get the helms the natural way, by completing the dungeon a few times.PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Not ignoring, my comments are not for you, you're logical obv (though still missing the mark), and if you aren't smart enough to realize the satire here I'm not going to spell it out for you. I've explained my position in detail in other threads and it falls on deaf hypocritical ears so I'm not going to keep that rhetoric. This argument has become polarized, it's time for PvPers to own up to getting something for nothing here.
That thought process is very shallow, PvP centric. Typical even. I'd say for every legitimate PVEr complaining about undaunted rng, there were 20 more just too lazy or unskilled enough to do the dungeons, same for PVPers. Kena is not that hard to get for PvEers. Go earn a Kena Helm! Blobbing up in PvP with 40 other people spamming AOEs is a scrubby way to get a Kena helm.After hearing all of the self serving responses from PvPers on this topic I revert being understanding of your pleas to get the undaunted gear via PvPing.
I will now simply parrot back your own PVP centric and hypocritical ideologies, IF YOU WANT THE UNDAUNTED GEAR THEN GO PVE AND EARN IT!
It's most definitely a PvP thing, cause PvEers can earn the undaunted gear the legitimate way, by doing the dungeons. It's the PvPers who need to baby fed these undaunted sets.Use your brain. That update is for pve and pvp players. You're delusional if you think that update is for the pvp community. It's for everyone who is sick of crap rng
Can you rub two, just two braincells together and attempt to understand the vendor update? Every player in this game had complained about the terrible rng. Just because the vendor is popping up in Cyrodiil,doesnt mean this is an exclusively catered pvp community update lol. Open your eyes.
If the vendor showed up in major cities would it be a pve exclusive update? No.
They are bandaid fixing their garbage loot system. FOR EVERYONE.
If the vendor sold them only for AP. You would be correct. But you aren't. L2 brain
Again, you're incapable of objective thought. This isn't about an alternative means of earning a kena helm. It's about fixing crap RNG and ZOS' laziness in doing so.
It's hilarious how you ignore points that dismantle your argument and just repeat yourself without adding anything of worth to the discussion.
I'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Try and really think about it, take off your rose colored glasses and if you still can't grasp why you and all hyprocrital PVPers in this thread are ultimately wrong then u can chew on this objectivity: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508583/#Comment_2508583
LOL, dude. Look who I quoted. None of what I said in the last comments is directed at you.
The forum likes to chain quoted comments. They're directed at cosmic whatever guy who has been responding to me.
Edited by ralonasan on December 28, 2015 8:31PMThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyI'm glad you're in the minority here. Thankfully most of the people on this poll avoid non sequitur and can think objectively.
Could it be that PvPers are so used to zerging it's the only tactic they know now? BWHAHAHA, I kid I kid...Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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