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Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?
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I would say no, but since pvp players are going to have access to monster helmets for AP then I'm all for it now since pvp seems to rule this game (it being a small fraction of the actual game size) pve players seem to always get screwed over when pvp players have an issue and it get fixed
How bout they fix the cheeses in some dungeons, how bout they fix the *** tanking nerf dk nerf almost every nerf since it seemed to have been to help make pvp more fun (which it obviously didnt)1 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsflawless4812 wrote: »I would say no, but since pvp players are going to have access to monster helmets for AP then I'm all for it now since pvp seems to rule this game (it being a small fraction of the actual game size) pve players seem to always get screwed over when pvp players have an issue and it get fixed
How bout they fix the cheeses in some dungeons, how bout they fix the *** tanking nerf dk nerf almost every nerf since it seemed to have been to help make pvp more fun (which it obviously didnt)
Wrong. Usually when ZOS tries to fix something, everybody gets screwed.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU1 -
MikeB✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslygen_reynard2050 wrote: »
NO!
If YES, then can PVP players access undaunted skill without complete dungeons or dungeon quests?
Sure. It takes 30x longer to get Vigor and Caltrops than it takes to get Undaunted 9.0 -
MikeB✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyDannyLV702 wrote: »Ok then can I get monster helmets and shoulders on my rewards of the worthy too?
PvP is already getting buyable monster sets in an upcoming update. All while I've done Vet Crypt of Hearts 400+ times, vet WGT 500+ times and no helms.0 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsDistinction between Pvp'er and Pve'er is completly arbitrary. With the same entitlement I could say - why PvE players must be forced to Collect Lore books if they wish to gain access to Meteor? See where I could go with this?
The game offers different ways of playing the game with particular rewards. You are not forced to pick anyone actually. As advertised - Play the way you like, but don't expect to be granted with everything by only playing one aspect of the game.
Are Pvp ranks too hard to get? That's a different question.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Greiver✭✭✭You can have alliance war skills if I don't have to PvE to get your equipment.
You won't soon, they are catering to the PvPers who cried about the monster sets.... Let's just remove vet ranks, remove grinding and everyone can start maxed out..... smh.Edited by Greiver on December 25, 2015 4:54PMPs4 Na Daggerfall
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
Yeah, PvPers loves to whine about having to do PvE but when PvErs don't want to PvP they love to be the hypocrites and tell them to do something they don't want to do.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on December 25, 2015 5:14PMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Oliumzen✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsGive me Meteor and Dawnbreaker for free. then PvE players can have PvP skill lines.0 -
ItsDyvim✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsSo I can buy the PvP skills in PvE and then use them in PvP without gringing them up in PvP? ... Yeah good idea, said no-one ever.1
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✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslykericksonb14_ESO wrote: »So I can buy the PvP skills in PvE and then use them in PvP without gringing them up in PvP? ... Yeah good idea, said no-one ever.
actually, you will be able to buy pve items from a pvp vendor pretty soon. so yes, the game is moving a step in the direction that you imply doesn't exist, but would make pve players able to buy pvp stuff more reprehensible if it did exist, which it does.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslykericksonb14_ESO wrote: »So I can buy the PvP skills in PvE and then use them in PvP without gringing them up in PvP? ... Yeah good idea, said no-one ever.
So I can buy the undaunted helms in PvP to use in PvP without grinding for them in PvE? ... Yeah, good idea, said no-one ever. :P
Ahh, the hypocrisy is strong in PvPersEdited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on December 26, 2015 1:24AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD2 -
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✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
It is amazing @ZOS_BrianWheeler . It really is amazing that the PVP players get basically what they asked for, but continue to demand more at the expense of PVE players who don't want to PVP for some very good skills in PVE; nobody wants to grind for vigor, caltrops, and barrier over and over.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1 -
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✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly@ZOS_BrianWheeler , it took me so long to get caltrops that I only got to play with it for a couple of months before a PVP catered nerf (no stamina regeneration while blocking) made me no longer want the skill.
This goes for itemization too @ZOS_RichLambert . By the time we get things in this game we don't even want them anymore. I know quite a few players that, for example, could not get Scathing Mage or Overwhelming and, eventually, it didn't matter because Julianos came out. Now the same thing has happened with Orsinium items. By the time I get those my mostly dwindled interest in this game will be totally gone. What is up with that?Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyPersonofsecrets wrote: »
It is amazing @ZOS_BrianWheeler . It really is amazing that the PVP players get basically what they asked for, but continue to demand more at the expense of PVE players who don't want to PVP for some very good skills in PVE; nobody wants to grind for vigor, caltrops, and barrier over and over.
well kinda do have to disagree they did make vigor easer accessable for everyone, used to be assault rank 10.
but given the fact that vendor is comming and they making content like vMSA where as stam user you need vigor to complete it. then im not even speaking the fact how caltrops making live easier in dungeons as tank while tank in pvp is useless^2. so this would only make things more fair. we as community are NOT asking for a handout to the skills. WE ARE LOOKING FOR ALTENATIVE WAYS! this is a large difference. where the pvp players do get their fast handouts with the biggest being the removal of the vet ranks. yes you can emply that it is usefull for the PvE-er aswell but it was the PvP community crying about having to play the actual game heck i have even seen players call the leveling up from lvl 3-50 a grind really?
just even out the playfield all we ask....0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsSeriously? Get a grip plebs.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Not really, My Sorcerer got it in one day. Even faster in a group, try it out.Sure. It takes 30x longer to get Vigor and Caltrops than it takes to get Undaunted 9.
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✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsgen_reynard2050 wrote: » NO!
If YES, then can PVP players access undaunted skill without complete dungeons or dungeon quests?
It goes beyond that.
Class skill lines take forever to rank up in pvp. I have to do pve to get them.
On a Stam build, you're forced to kill undead and daedra in pve to get flawless dawnbreaker.
Let's not even start with meteor...
There's 4 maybe 5 skills from pvp that are of any real use in pve. Barrier probably being the main. Great for dungeons. Caltrops is nice but not essential for tanking. Vigor is a nice heal, but there is rally for that which is fine in pve. Magica det and purge are useful too but again not essential.
Unless you want to wait months, you have to pve to unlock most skills.
Gear is a seperate issue. Should there be a system that allows pve players to get pvp gear like arch mage, ravager etc? Maybe. That would be comparable to the monster vendor before anyone brings it up...
Edited by Brrrofski on December 26, 2015 2:06AM0 -
Oliumzen✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Begging no i am not. Gear being sold in PvP vendors...HAH so you mean the 1mil AP that is rumored that they will sell for pvpers who refuse to PvE whatsoever (not me i enjoy both) now no longer use their AP for seige weapons and wall repair kits? its bad enough they have motifs in there for 300k as it is.0 -
Flak✭✭✭✭Other - (Explain)Just make Undaunted, Mages/Fighters Guild and Alliance War accountwide. I'm playing both but getting Alliance War up on all my seven Chars is a pain and I didn't play my actual PvP Char for months.
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslySeriously? Get a grip plebs.
Although I got to say that the PvPers are the plebs, with how most of their vocabulary amounts to care bear, plebs etc
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ok seriously what is up with all these "Give us free PvP skillz" threads lately? You want not only PvP skills but any skills in general you earn them. That's how a RPG general works you level up and get a skill then level up said skill.3 -
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✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyI say Yes based on one simple fact...
I PVP ONLY! I don't want to level undaunted either. I feel the pain pve player's have as well.
Pvp player's are soon going to be able to buy undaunted helm's from a vendor. Give pve players 50k alliance points a day for doing pledges. Something like this would be nice to have.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on December 26, 2015 3:51AMPS4 NA DC0 -
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✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsAs a fellow PvE player, OP, the suggestion is such a disgrace. Play the game as it is intended and work hard for those skills.
@Qyrk
I was not aware that my OP contained a suggestion. Kindly point out what part of what I wrote mislead you so that I can address it.
I am not saying that I think PvE players should get access to those skills without PvP'ing, nor am I saying the opposite. I am genuinely interested in knowing the public opinions on this.
As to the OP, I vote no, BUT, I too am mostly a PvE player, and was a solo player at that. I liked PvP, but like most who venture into Cyrodill it was instant death, zergs and lots of "not-so-much-fun. Then after playing IC on PTS, I KNEW I had to have Razor Caltrops, I was 1 rank away from unlocking them, so I was determined to "grind it out". Well in the process, I found a great PvP guild, and now PvP is great! So, Yes! Earn the skills!! It might turn out to be a good thing!!Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on December 26, 2015 6:01AMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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✭Other - (Explain)I've been thinking.
The alliance war skill line has very good abilities, which can be core parts of certain builds even if they are PvE builds.
I for example, a mostly PvE player, know that no amount of PvE content in the world will get me any closer to the 'Magicka Detonation' alliance rank 7 ability, and in order to boost my PvE performance, I must grind PvP content which I enjoy far less, and do so for a very long time, much longer than I'm prepared to.
To you PvP players: when answering this poll, please be honest with yourselves and try and imagine first, what would you feel like if key abilities for many builds such as Vigor and Proximity Detonation would require you to grind mobs endlessly. Would you feel that it is just?
Yes because they can be used in PvE as well or make PvP skills just for PvP...0 -
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✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsIf you want something, work for it.1 -
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✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
It does actually. Give me Maelstrom weapons, then we can talk about AW skills.Edited by Jura23 on December 26, 2015 9:09AMGeorgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsComparing alliance war skills to pve gear with the fundamental difference pvp gear was never bop and could be obtained by simply buying stuff - for associated skills you have/had/should always play the content.
You can´t compare the two.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslygen_reynard2050 wrote: » NO!
If YES, then can PVP players access undaunted skill without complete dungeons or dungeon quests?
The two are not even comparable.
You can grind all the undaunted ranks in a matter of weeks. The Alliance War skills take MONTHS of PVP tedium that most players simply can't STAND.
Undaunted skills are pretty much meaningless and unnecessary waste of skillpoints, aside from the rank 2 taunt for tanks that you pretty much get just killing delve monsters while leveling.
Alliance war skills like Vigor are needed by stamina builds to even attempt VMA, which is top level PVE content. Yet it is locked behind a 4 month PVP grind.
BS.Edited by Phinix1 on December 26, 2015 10:22AM0