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Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills?
GnGEmpire
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I've been thinking.
The alliance war skill line has very good abilities, which can be core parts of certain builds even if they are PvE builds.
I for example, a mostly PvE player, know that no amount of PvE content in the world will get me any closer to the 'Magicka Detonation' alliance rank 7 ability, and in order to boost my PvE performance, I must grind PvP content which I enjoy far less, and do so for a very long time, much longer than I'm prepared to.
To you PvP players: when answering this poll, please be honest with yourselves and try and imagine first, what would you feel like if key abilities for many builds such as Vigor and Proximity Detonation would require you to grind mobs endlessly. Would you feel that it is just?
Edited by GnGEmpire on November 15, 2015 8:10AM The alliance war skill line has very good abilities, which can be core parts of certain builds even if they are PvE builds.
I for example, a mostly PvE player, know that no amount of PvE content in the world will get me any closer to the 'Magicka Detonation' alliance rank 7 ability, and in order to boost my PvE performance, I must grind PvP content which I enjoy far less, and do so for a very long time, much longer than I'm prepared to.
To you PvP players: when answering this poll, please be honest with yourselves and try and imagine first, what would you feel like if key abilities for many builds such as Vigor and Proximity Detonation would require you to grind mobs endlessly. Would you feel that it is just?
Casualty - small high end/end game PvE guild. Recruiting!
Do you think PvE players deserve access to alliance war skills? 665 votes
Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlessly
23%
155 votes
No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
72%
484 votes
Other - (Explain)
3%
26 votes
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How do you level it up without doing any PVP. Ain't no one getting barrier or caltrops without sweating it out. None of the other abilities are remotely useful at the moment.PC Master Race
1001CP
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Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!1 -
gen_reynard2050✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
NO!
If YES, then can PVP players access undaunted skill without complete dungeons or dungeon quests?Edited by gen_reynard2050 on November 15, 2015 8:19AM"What the lion cannot manage to do, the fox can".56 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsWhy are PvPers forced to PvE for the best gear for PvP?
Disabling the grass may improve performance.18 -
Grampa_Smurf✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI'm going to say no unless the give PvP players access to the PvE skills without doing any PvE
Life isn't measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.12 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI don't even see how this could be brought up. I busted my ass as a pve player to work towards vigor, I've fell in love with pvp and will work my way higher.
Even if you don't fall in love with pvp, you shouldn't just be handed a skill line because you feel entiteld. People *** and moan about how long it takes to rank up in pvp. Get with a decent group (they're out there people) and work as a team to complete objectives and taking keeps.
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. PVP players should be forced to do pve content for the skills and gear....why. ...well let's say the Prison, WGT, COA vet. is far harder than just zerging and rolling over keeps and ganking level 10s trying to get a few stones. Anyone can roll with a mob but only a few can turn over the warden repeatedly for the helm and overwhelming / scathing sets on V16. Plus decent gear you can just do your research for decent sets after waiting 2 months for it to do 5 pieces.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!4 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsDRXHarbinger wrote: »No. PVP players should be forced to do pve content for the skills and gear....why. ...well let's say the Prison, WGT, COA vet. is far harder than just zerging and rolling over keeps and ganking level 10s trying to get a few stones. Anyone can roll with a mob but only a few can turn over the warden repeatedly for the helm and overwhelming / scathing sets on V16. Plus decent gear you can just do your research for decent sets after waiting 2 months for it to do 5 pieces.
Why do those level 10s need TV stones.
Disabling the grass may improve performance.1 -
Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsAs a fellow PvE player, OP, the suggestion is such a disgrace. Play the game as it is intended and work hard for those skills.12 -
Baconfat79✭✭✭✭PvP players have to "grind" PvE content for certain skills too. It's fair. I actually like that system. It forces you to at least try out another aspect of the game, which you might otherwise ignore completely, and who knows...you might find that you enjoy it more than you thought you would.
I was strictly anti-PvP until I was "forced" to do it in order to get Caltrops and Vigor. Turns out, I had a lot of fun. Now I do both, and I enjoy the game that much more.
The constant re-specs and resetting CP sucks though. That's my biggest beef. You can't play both to your fullest potential on one character without that constabt flip/flop.4 -
Frawr✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsThese are rewards for pvping.
These rewards are already available to everyone.
You have the same opportunity already to go get them.
If you want Proxy det then suck it up and go pvp.
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillspersonally someone who does both i feel only the damage dealing skills are quite impactful outside cyrodiil, like calatrops and detination for... you guessed it... AoE farming.
if anything i feel outside Cyrodiil these types of damage skills should be weakened when not near the war effortPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyPlayers shouldn't have to suffer through PVP to get some of the best skills in the game.9 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyEveryone should have access to everything,might not be so bad if the pvp weren't better than the useless undaunted crap6 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsYou can have alliance war skills if I don't have to PvE to get your equipment.4 -
Katinas✭✭✭✭Yes - I think PvE players should have some way of getting access to these skills without having to PvP endlesslyPVP players could get their progress in Undaunted skill line by doing Kill Enemy Players, Capture Resource, Capture Scroll and other quests but they would not gain Undaunted keys that way.
PVE players could get their progress in Assault and Support skill lines by doing Undaunted pledges.3 -
GnGEmpire✭✭✭As a fellow PvE player, OP, the suggestion is such a disgrace. Play the game as it is intended and work hard for those skills.
@Qyrk
I was not aware that my OP contained a suggestion. Kindly point out what part of what I wrote mislead you so that I can address it.
I am not saying that I think PvE players should get access to those skills without PvP'ing, nor am I saying the opposite. I am genuinely interested in knowing the public opinions on this.
Casualty - small high end/end game PvE guild. Recruiting!2 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
Wasn't sure whether to vote agree or awesome on this one. I used to mainly PvE as well, but decided to give PvP a go for vigor. Totally fell in love with it also.Unsent.Soul wrote: »I don't even see how this could be brought up. I busted my ass as a pve player to work towards vigor, I've fell in love with pvp and will work my way higher.
Even if you don't fall in love with pvp, you shouldn't just be handed a skill line because you feel entiteld. People *** and moan about how long it takes to rank up in pvp. Get with a decent group (they're out there people) and work as a team to complete objectives and taking keeps.
I also agree no one should just be handed a skill line because they want it. Most of the passives would be pretty much useless to them anyway because a lot are only activated after taking keeps or resources.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
I think he means it shouldn't even be a suggestion. Agreed with him.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skills
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MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsI vote no and I hate PvP.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo. If you need Pvp skills you don't have for your PvE build, you're doing it wrong.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU2 -
imredneckson✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsNo, just noLegions of Mordor Guild Officer
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Helgi_Skotina✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsOnly if everythinbg in the game can be accessed without killing any single mob. You create a character and go directly to cyro, where you can get any gear and tons of XP by killing players and players only.3 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsHelgi_Skotina wrote: »Only if everythinbg in the game can be accessed without killing any single mob. You create a character and go directly to cyro, where you can get any gear and tons of XP by killing players and players only.
Sounds like a perfect world to me2 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsOnly if pvp players get undaunted without dungeons, fighters without dolmens, mage without hunting books, crafting lines without crafting and legerdemain without thieving... and soul tree without the main quest. Mist form and increased sneak without bein a vampire would be cool too... Gimme!
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josh5813✭✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsShould we have all the Undaunted skills without having to do dungeons?
Should we have all the Fighters Guild skills available without having to do the missions then grind Dolmens?
Should we have all the Mages Guild skill available without having to do the missions then hunting for books?
Should we have access to all the Vampire and Werewolf skills without having to become them?
Should we have access to all the weapons and armor skills without having to use them?Edited by josh5813 on November 15, 2015 10:04AM4 -
DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No - PvE players must be forced to PvP if they wish to gain access to those skillsOk then can I get monster helmets and shoulders on my rewards of the worthy too?4
