please let us have a buyable skill unlock

Tandor · December 2015

Just no!

Shadesofkin · December 2015

Last I checked a week of regular PvP should unlock Caltrops, I could be wrong though.

Don't misunderstand me, I hate doing PvP too...but it is the price I pay to have Barrier.

vamp_emily · December 2015

I got my caltrops and i earned it, and I think if I spent countless of hours doing it, so should anyone that wants them.

OP, if you don't like playing PvP; take some of that gold you earned, and buy rocks then repair some keep walls in cyro, then leave.

Right now, all our keeps walls ( DC ) are trashed, nobody has ap/gold to repair them. Get your tush in here and repair the walls, get your ap, and level up your skills to get caltrops.

This forum is getting really sad to look at any more, everyone wants everything for free or they don't want to earn it.

Sad.

Islyn · December 2015

daemonios wrote: »

1. You don't need a specific skill to do speed runs, you need to know what you're doing. If you believe you need caltrops for that, you have A LOT to learn.
2. You want a skill, you work for it.
3. I'm not a PvP player.

I was just going to say all that

Islyn · December 2015

Dexter411 wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

Fuzzywuzzy196 wrote: »

This would ruin the purpose of having to earn it through PvP, and the point of playing the game to earn things. I understand your frustration with having to grind PvP even though it's something you don't enjoy, but that is just the way the game works.

Wanted to poke at this because it irritated me.

Yes, the game works in a certain way. Saying that the game functions in a certain only proves that...the game works in a certain way, which adds nothing and supports no argument >.>

Hey PvPers - I want to work for the skills in the Alliance War tree in a way that doesn't feel like ripping my hair out, you want to do the same for Undaunted stuff. Let's make a deal...:D

Just a little reminder: They are planning to put merchant with Monster sets. I am not 100% sure if this will be only for AP and what parts/traits/kind of armor would it be. Lets say it will be only for AP, then in that case you need to give something for exchange, PvP player happy and PvE player happy.
Now will you excuse me, need to grind my Dunmer lower part of back to get Vigor.

Available for gold too if I recall correctly. On the other hand I may not, as I have mine xD

Nikkiy · December 2015

Getting Caltrops can take less than a week

(And you never get to use them in PVE if your Raid Leader plays a Stam Build

)
Detonation may take a little longer...

I´m by no means a good PVPer and I managed to get Detonation on 3 Chars
by having a good time with my friends in Cyrodil.

I´d be sad to see Detonation and Caltrops in the crown store.

sylviermoone · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

You can not point to equipment being purchasable and come to the logical conclusion that it means skill lines should now be open for you to purchase.

Actually we can. Since the thing monster sets and alliance skills have in common is that they give you the edge in combat. So they are absolutely comparable in that respect. It's not like people were clamouring to get monster sets without doing vet dungeons because they liked how they look.

Having max CP's gives you an edge in combat. Certain craftable sets give you an edge in combat. Having Meteor or Dawnbreaker can give you an edge in combat. So, by your own stated logic, we should also be able to purchase champion points, purchase max crafting with all traits researched, and purchase FG and MG skill lines, right?

Skill lines aren't the same as gear and they shouldn't be purchasable.

Edit to add: CP's aren't comparable in this situation, either, but I thought as long a we were comparing apples to say.....dogs, I'd throw that in there.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · December 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Last I checked a week of regular PvP should unlock Caltrops

If you're PvP'ing for at least 7-8 hours a day and earning at least 20k AP per hour. That's a bit extreme for anyone not so much into PvP, the undaunted grind is nothing compared to that. I mean it ranks you quite high just by doing the dungeon achievements alone and it don't take many gold and silver dailies beyond that to get to rank 7 and then 9 for the all important passives. And you don't have to be stuck in game hours on end for weeks/months doing something you hate to effectively level the undaunted skill line like you have to be for the alliance ones.

If each dungeon takes on average 15-20 minutes to complete then you could get your gold and sliver within 40 minutes playtime, in PvP on the other hand 40 minutes doesn't cut it.

Czeri · December 2015

Having max CP's gives you an edge in combat. Certain craftable sets give you an edge in combat. Having Meteor or Dawnbreaker can give you an edge in combat. So, by your own stated logic, we should also be able to purchase champion points, purchase max crafting with all traits researched, and purchase FG and MG skill lines, right?

Well, ZOS already made getting CPs easier. Crafted sets you can get from other players if you haven't researched the traits yourself. Mages' and Fighters' guild skill lines require a fast horse and one afternoon to level. So really only monster sets and alliance skills are currently behind a barrier if you happen to be interested in one type of game-play. And one of them is about to have that barrier removed,. Why not the other?

Digerati · December 2015

If you enjoyed doing it, it wouldn't be called work.

I have caltrops and I never worked for them :-P

I don't have meteor because I don't want to work for it :-P

Waffennacht · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

Having max CP's gives you an edge in combat. Certain craftable sets give you an edge in combat. Having Meteor or Dawnbreaker can give you an edge in combat. So, by your own stated logic, we should also be able to purchase champion points, purchase max crafting with all traits researched, and purchase FG and MG skill lines, right?

Well, ZOS already made getting CPs easier. Crafted sets you can get from other players if you haven't researched the traits yourself. Mages' and Fighters' guild skill lines require a fast horse and one afternoon to level. So really only monster sets and alliance skills are currently behind a barrier if you happen to be interested in one type of game-play. And one of them is about to have that barrier removed,. Why not the other?

As everyone else said, gear is nowhere near the same as skills. There is no skill in this game buyable.

Everyone says undaunted is easy to level, my rear end it is! Maybe if you have a guild! In PvP I can get 1000s of AP alone. Ever try to get undaunted done solo or with PUGs? Freakin Impossible!

Next, its a freakin game... not a grocery store. You don't just walk down the isle and pick up whatever interests you, you earn it. I agree that xp potions etc are already pushing the line (if you ask me xp potions should have a level limit, that way it truly was a "catch up" mechanic)

You act as if 1 mill AP or Gold is easy to come by, if you ask me doing dungeon runs will be EASIER to get monster drops than by purchasing them. (i know we don't know exact cost, but we do know it'll be the most expensive items in game)

Everyone has posted why being able to buy skills would be a complete annihilation to the game. Even I would walk away at that point.

Edit: one more thing, every "catch up" mechanic you listed, has been extremely controversial, what you suggest is taking it WAY too far.

acw37162 · December 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

Having max CP's gives you an edge in combat. Certain craftable sets give you an edge in combat. Having Meteor or Dawnbreaker can give you an edge in combat. So, by your own stated logic, we should also be able to purchase champion points, purchase max crafting with all traits researched, and purchase FG and MG skill lines, right?

Well, ZOS already made getting CPs easier. Crafted sets you can get from other players if you haven't researched the traits yourself. Mages' and Fighters' guild skill lines require a fast horse and one afternoon to level. So really only monster sets and alliance skills are currently behind a barrier if you happen to be interested in one type of game-play. And one of them is about to have that barrier removed,. Why not the other?

As everyone else said, gear is nowhere near the same as skills. There is no skill in this game buyable.

Everyone says undaunted is easy to level, my rear end it is! Maybe if you have a guild! In PvP I can get 1000s of AP alone. Ever try to get undaunted done solo or with PUGs? Freakin Impossible!

Next, its a freakin game... not a grocery store. You don't just walk down the isle and pick up whatever interests you, you earn it. I agree that xp potions etc are already pushing the line (if you ask me xp potions should have a level limit, that way it truly was a "catch up" mechanic)

You act as if 1 mill AP or Gold is easy to come by, if you ask me doing dungeon runs will be EASIER to get monster drops than by purchasing them. (i know we don't know exact cost, but we do know it'll be the most expensive items in game)

Everyone has posted why being able to buy skills would be a complete annihilation to the game. Even I would walk away at that point.

Edit: one more thing, every "catch up" mechanic you listed, has been extremely controversial, what you suggest is taking it WAY too far.

This is now incorrect.

You can purchase the vampire skill line and werewolf skill line.

PrinceBoru · December 2015

Nope to the slippery slope of P2W!

cyx54tc · December 2015

TotterTates wrote: »

Seeing how PvP’ers will have access to monster sets I see no reason why PvE’ers can't "donate" resources for small AP gains outside of cyrodiil. For example, a stack of ingots will net an appropriate amount of AP (Iron = 100 AP, Rubedite = 1000 AP). This may alleviate some of the salt.

I spent my 2 weeks in cyrodiil to get vigor/caltrops, but I admit it was a hassle.

all pvp gears are boe, and most pve gears are bop. buying it with AP is the way to balance this instead of skills. (Can I get undaunted skills without pve? no!)

TequilaFire · December 2015

Equip restro staff, follow zerg spamming heals for a couple of days - problem solved!

AlnilamE · December 2015

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

If each dungeon takes on average 15-20 minutes to complete then you could get your gold and sliver within 40 minutes playtime, in PvP on the other hand 40 minutes doesn't cut it.

ROFL!!! Even when running with a good group, I have NEVER been able to finish both pledges within 40 minutes. And if the group is not so good, you can be at the gold pledge for a looong time.

Caligamy_ESO · December 2015

I would drop this game faster than a Zenimax customer service rep on Christmas if they made skill lines purchasable.

Not no but hell no.

Digerati · December 2015

You want the alliance skills to be competitive... but you don't want to compete with other players in order to get the alliance skills...

not really sure what is happening here...

MornaBaine · December 2015

I have to say that I don't think skill lines should be something you can buy in the cash shop. I feel that way about the werewolf and vampires lines as well. BUT I do agree that there should be PvE methods to unlock what are now PvP only skills...and vice versa. Players SHOULD be able to play in the ways that are more enjoyable to them...regardless of which way that is.

Volkodav · December 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Next it will be "please let us buy a lvl 50 Character"

Someone in one of the threads wants to be able to buy a L16 scroll.One that will make you instantly L16. How's that for idiotic?

JamilaRaj · December 2015

Perhaps we could recycle successful XP/CP scrolls scam, i.e. sell scrolls that would accelerate the rate at which skill lines level up instead of selling flat out levels or individual skills, and introduce some in-game obtainable scrolls to mud waters, so we could pretend P2W is not taking place.
After all, this is Elder Scrolls Online. Let's have some scrolls then!

MornaBaine · December 2015

Volkodav wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Next it will be "please let us buy a lvl 50 Character"

Someone in one of the threads wants to be able to buy a L16 scroll.One that will make you instantly L16. How's that for idiotic?

Honestly, I understand people wanting this, especially PvPers. Those who really don't enjoy the PvE content and are just here for the PvP may genuinely not want to have to level up characters in order to GET to the juicy "end game" PvP. They want to try new classes, new specs, new races NOW. MAYBE everyone should be required to level ONE character to VR1 and after that have the option to buy Level 50 characters if that's their thing. I don't really see who it hurts and I'm not real into telling people how they should play.

TiberX · December 2015

Nooo OMG NO! It would be a realy bad call to do this. Ptw clearly. That would kill the game. END

Cuyler · December 2015

redspecter23 wrote: »

A perfectly reasonable suggestion that will be shot down by pvp players faster than you can say "purchasable monster sets".

BWAHAHAHA. You won the internets +1. Hypocrites I say. To OP, just don't say "crown store", that's P2W...and Baaaad.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

A buyable skill? so you want to buy skills rather than train to learn them? wow. This gaming generation is getting worse.

Reevster · December 2015

I want to buy a third skill bar! 'Or" one extra slot to the currents ones....

Big money maker!

I am actually against PTW but they are going to do what ever they want anyways so, may as well jump on the band wagon until we are broke and then realize how dumb we were for spending hundreds/thousands of $ on a 'game"

MornaBaine · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

A buyable skill? so you want to buy skills rather than train to learn them? wow. This gaming generation is getting worse.

I don't doubt that there ARE people out there who would buy max level characters and never actually learn to play the game. I guess I just don't care. But for those who HAVE done the content, usually far more than once, and have a case of altoholicism plus things like a job, family and real lives, I can see this as a viable way to experiment and have some fun within the time constraints imposed by the rest of their lives. It's really NOT the same as being handed a black belt for writing a big check to a dojo without ever having actually taken a lesson. It's just pixels man, relax!

Zerok · December 2015

I don't think alliance skills should be buyable.

However, I do think it's too long currenty to earn AP. For people who don't have a lot of playtime, it takes an eternity.

My main character is a stamina NB DPS. Saturday, I was invited by guildmates to try DSA.

OMG, this was a pain without self healing. In the end, one of them suggested me to get Vigor, but at this rate I won't be able to get it in a month even by spending 1-2 hours per day PvPing.

I think I can forget DSA and MSA because I won't get Vigor anytime soon. Just too bad for me and my limited playtime.