please let us have a buyable skill unlock

gw2only1b14_ESO · December 2015

UMM then next the envelope and want to buy Max capped toons. part of playing a game is to play over the last 10 years it seems like everyone has to try and keep up with the next guy and rush thru everything.
Odd but id have to say no on this .When players want this it takes from the substance of the game and the little nuances that are added into a game just play and enjoy and smell the void bloom.
Rushing to max or feeling you need to rush to max is wrong and maybe mmos are not for you

gw2only1b14_ESO · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

I ran a pledge the other night and one of the group members had caltrops. That was the first time I saw it in action, and holy hell, do I need it now. I finally understood how getting the speed run achievement on Darkshade Caverns could actually be possible!

Problem is I apparently would have to earn a million AP points to unlock the skill, which means doing nothing but PvP for months. I hate PvP, so that is pretty much out of the question - if I have to do something I hate for that long to progress in a game, I'd rather switch to another game.

Hence this plea - let us have an alternative version of unlocking skills. A rune or a potion from an NPC merchant, or a scroll from the crown store at least. Make it cost a million gold - I don't insists on getting it being easy. Just achievable while doing the content I enjoy. Please?

On a side note how about they allow you to buy the "Acheesments" as well

altemriel · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

I ran a pledge the other night and one of the group members had caltrops. That was the first time I saw it in action, and holy hell, do I need it now. I finally understood how getting the speed run achievement on Darkshade Caverns could actually be possible!

Problem is I apparently would have to earn a million AP points to unlock the skill, which means doing nothing but PvP for months. I hate PvP, so that is pretty much out of the question - if I have to do something I hate for that long to progress in a game, I'd rather switch to another game.

Hence this plea - let us have an alternative version of unlocking skills. A rune or a potion from an NPC merchant, or a scroll from the crown store at least. Make it cost a million gold - I don't insists on getting it being easy. Just achievable while doing the content I enjoy. Please?

DEFINITELLY NO!! YOU WANT A SKILL? PLAY AND GET IT!!

DRXHarbinger · December 2015

Is standing around spamming regeneration for days on end "earning it"? There is no skill involved in unlocking these abilities. It's goes to the saltiest, sweatiest players out there.

Lenikus · December 2015

I stayed sub.
I buy crowns somewhat regularly to get those fancy dresses that come out.
I'm a loyal customer.

That *** comes in I'll still play, but off the window with any more cent i spend on this.
We do NOT need ANY undaunted skill or passive for PvP and we do NOT need ANY PvP skill for PvE.
Helps? yea sure. 2% health or a healer skill that bases on stamina is totally gamechanging.. #not.

I would comprehend this thread if you were talking about Proximity Detonation, or Guard, those skill do require you to farm quite a bit... But CALTROPS? ...really? CALTROPS?
Dude you can get at rank 6 , that's barely a Corporal rank...

# Edit.
Really,
Also, Caltrops if much, adds a potential 2k in dps. that's it.

daemonios · December 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

Also, Caltrops if much, adds a potential 2k in dps. that's it.

Yeah, I think among other things OP is a few months late to the caltrops party. It used to be perfect to proc a bazillion Valkyn Skoria meteors, especially in trash groups. But Skoria has been nerfed, it barely procs at all, and I don't remember the last time I saw someone running with it.

Right now, caltrops in PvE is just a neat skill to quickly agro a trash group, but you can do it with other ground-based cc/aoe skills such as eruption. DPS-wise I'm sure everyone could find a better alternative.

Sheezabeast · December 2015

One great thing about caltrops is that it works very well with Briarheart! Those 1.2-2K crits from caltrops proc Briarheart. You can cast caltrops on a zerg, run inside a keep, and it'll proc Briarheart on you while they run through it while you're inside

Rosveen · December 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

We do NOT need ANY undaunted skill or passive for PvP and we do NOT need ANY PvP skill for PvE.

That's simply not true, not when Vigor is the only stamina heal available regardless of build.

pjwb16_ESO · December 2015

If u need several moths for 1 million AP you dont deserve it. 1 million is maybe a week of AP farming lol if u go to work regulary

acw37162 · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

I think the better solution would be to allow both the Alliance Skill lines and Undaunted Skill line to be level in alternative ways.

^

Brilliant

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2015

You say they need to work for it but here is the thing....if it is buyable in the Crown store then they are spending real money which they actually got by DOING REAL WORK.....grinding enemies down in A VIDEO GAME is hardly real work so its easier for you then them, also some people can't compete in PvP due to massive latency Issues, how will they ever get the ability? I have over 4k Weapon damage and yet even I die more times then score kills every time I try and enter Cyrodiil because it is down to the latency which causes delays in between attacks and when attacks register on the enemy, if you live in the US or somewhere in Europe you most likely have no idea what it is like to average 400 ping in ESO so who are you to judge if someone wants an alternate way to unlock these abilities?.

Sheezabeast · December 2015

I don't understand this divide between PVE and PVP people. WE ALL STARTED THIS GAME AS PVE'ers. Have you stopped to consider that its your fault that you didn't start PVPing back when you hit level 10 in the non vet campaign? That you didn't start doing delves till you were a Vet, not when you got the invite for Undaunted Enclave at lvl 45? It's your choice how you develop your character. Did you guys forget that Zos already lowered the Alliance ranks once so people could get the skills easier? Hard core PVPers were annoyed but moved on. Asking for Zos to make it buyable is laughable.

Browiseth · December 2015

How dare you want to be rewarded in a video game whilst having fun earning that reward

Czeri · December 2015

Browiseth wrote: »

How dare you want to be rewarded in a video game whilst having fun earning that reward

Thanks for getting to the bottom of all the "you want it, earn it" objections :-) That's why gathering the gold for the unlock won't count, cause I won't be miserable doing it!

Artjuh90 · December 2015

Heindrich wrote: »

I am stupidly rich with ingame gold, so part of me wants a gold short-cut for skills I am too lazy to work on (I also need caltrops on stam DK, and Meteor... and most bow skills... wtb skill points too!)

... But I'd feel dirty taking such short cuts. So no. It doesn't take THAT long to grind up to caltrops... Proxy Det on the other hand...

more then a week of PVP grinding? undaunted is way faster

Blud · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

I ran a pledge the other night and one of the group members had caltrops. That was the first time I saw it in action, and holy hell, do I need it now. I finally understood how getting the speed run achievement on Darkshade Caverns could actually be possible!

Problem is I apparently would have to earn a million AP points to unlock the skill, which means doing nothing but PvP for months. I hate PvP, so that is pretty much out of the question - if I have to do something I hate for that long to progress in a game, I'd rather switch to another game.

Hence this plea - let us have an alternative version of unlocking skills. A rune or a potion from an NPC merchant, or a scroll from the crown store at least. Make it cost a million gold - I don't insists on getting it being easy. Just achievable while doing the content I enjoy. Please?

I'm not sure I can agree, OP. But I know how you feel. I prefer pvp to running dungeons and wish there was another way to get Undaunted passives and getting certain pieces of gear than running instanced dungeons. I would love to just get those things through pvp.

Making stuff like that buyable with gold also encourages gold farming and illegal rmt.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

I ran a pledge the other night and one of the group members had caltrops. That was the first time I saw it in action, and holy hell, do I need it now. I finally understood how getting the speed run achievement on Darkshade Caverns could actually be possible!

Problem is I apparently would have to earn a million AP points to unlock the skill, which means doing nothing but PvP for months. I hate PvP, so that is pretty much out of the question - if I have to do something I hate for that long to progress in a game, I'd rather switch to another game.

Hence this plea - let us have an alternative version of unlocking skills. A rune or a potion from an NPC merchant, or a scroll from the crown store at least. Make it cost a million gold - I don't insists on getting it being easy. Just achievable while doing the content I enjoy. Please?

This has already started...there is a "Skill" line in the Crown Store where you can buy the Vamp / WW, you just then need to level it up as usual.

So how is this any different from selling Alliance skill??? I don't think it is really.

We are on the slippy slope to B2W folks.

MornaBaine · December 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

2. You want a skill, you work for it.

But I do want to work for it! I just want a way of working for it that I wouldn't hate. That's why I think the unlock should be insanely expensive.

2. This is a straight up P2W idea.

True, a crown store option would have been. I'd much prefer it being buyable for gold myself.

Give me a reasonable way to earn Undaunted without doing Dungeons/Pledges then.

Indeed there should be. Because PvE and PvP are radically different playstyles basically everything in the game should be achievable by either one of them. I just find it disheartening that any time someone says, "I would like to have X that is only obtainable via PvP but since I dislike PvP it would make me happy (retain me longer as a player) if there were a way to obtain it via PvE," the thread is flooded by people being nasty to them and belittling them and telling them they have to "earn" it. Yet in the same breath these same people will complain about how there's too much PvE in this game and not enough PvP and they want to be able to kill people in all the PvE zones. And because they can't this is used as some lame justification to keep players from having access to things that are currently associated with PvP.

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face! I, a primarily PvE player in this game who dislikes the way PvP works here, have begged for dueling, arenas, the introduction of the long awaited PvP portion of the Justice System and have recently discussed my desire not to just see a PvE version of Cyrodiil and Imperial City.... but open world PvP versions of all the other zones. Because it seems to me that PvPers must be pretty much bored out of their minds with the narrow confines of PvP in this game. And I want them to have every bit as much content as I do. Why? 1. I'm not a jerk. 2. Having more options for PvP would induce ME to participate in it more often. 3. A thriving PvP community of players, just like a thriving community of PvE players, means this game will last longer and get better for ALL of us.

EDITING TO ADD SINCE APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT CLEAR: I sure as heck am not talking about enabling PvP throughout the game world with no way to avoid it. That would kill this game in a heartbeat. Either a separate version or server would need to be introduced for this (my first thought and what would pretty much have to happen for Cyrodiil) OR players would simply need to be able to opt out of PvP everywhere but Cyrodiil. I would also say that there can be NO PvP inside city buildings like banks just to cut down on the chaos.

So maybe, PvP folks, you could get out of your "competitive" mindsets for a few minutes and realize that those who prefer PvE over PvP are NOT your enemies trying to steal your "hard earned" goodies from you. We're actually your strongest advocates and allies. You might want to stop being so mean to us.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

2. You want a skill, you work for it.

But I do want to work for it! I just want a way of working for it that I wouldn't hate. That's why I think the unlock should be insanely expensive.

2. This is a straight up P2W idea.

True, a crown store option would have been. I'd much prefer it being buyable for gold myself.

Give me a reasonable way to earn Undaunted without doing Dungeons/Pledges then.

Indeed there should be. Because PvE and PvP are radically different playstyles basically everything in the game should be achievable by either one of them. I just find it disheartening that any time someone says, "I would like to have X that is only obtainable via PvP but since I dislike PvP it would make me happy (retain me longer as a player) if there were a way to obtain it via PvE," the thread is flooded by people being nasty to them and belittling them and telling them they have to "earn" it. Yet in the same breath these same people will complain about how there's too much PvE in this game and not enough PvP and they want to be able to kill people in all the PvE zones. And because they can't this is used as some lame justification to keep players from having access to things that are currently associated with PvP.

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face! I, a primarily PvE player in this game who dislikes the way PvP works here, have begged for dueling, arenas, the introduction of the long awaited PvP portion of the Justice System and have recently discussed my desire not to just see a PvE version of Cyrodiil and Imperial City.... but open world PvP versions of all the other zones. Because it seems to me that PvPers must be pretty much bored out of their minds with the narrow confines of PvP in this game. And I want them to have every bit as much content as I do. Why? 1. I'm not a jerk. 2. Having more options for PvP would induce ME to participate in it more often. 3. A thriving PvP community of players, just like a thriving community of PvE players, means this game will last longer and get better for ALL of us.

So maybe, PvP folks, you could get out of your "competitive" mindsets for a few minutes and realize that those who prefer PvE over PvP are NOT your enemies trying to steal your "hard earned" goodies from you. We're actually your strongest advocates and allies. You might want to stop being so mean to us.

first of all PvP in all area's won't work because of cadwell's. second of all i am not in the mood when i im leveling my alt getting griefed by some low life griefers all the time ruining my experience for questing. if eso would implement PvP in all area's i would quit or they should have a implementation like wow did and not be attacked or you can't attack other players cause i don't want that. forcing someone elses gameplay while ruining it for the larger part of the community. PvP already affected pvE in a large way, just look at the no stam regen while blocking, the need of a alliance skill to actually complete PvE content (need of vigor for a stam user in vMSA) and it would probably break ALOT of quests

BalticBlues · December 2015

sylviermoone wrote: »

Dear god. Just....no. If you want the skill, earn the skill.

So: If you want a monster helmet, earn the monster helmet.

There is no difference. Some skills and helmets are essential for VMA.
PVP people soon can buy this stuff, PVE people cannot. This is UNFAIR.

If PVP people will be able to buy PvE monster helmets with APs,
PVE people should be able to unlock PvP skills with gold keys.

MornaBaine · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

2. You want a skill, you work for it.

But I do want to work for it! I just want a way of working for it that I wouldn't hate. That's why I think the unlock should be insanely expensive.

2. This is a straight up P2W idea.

True, a crown store option would have been. I'd much prefer it being buyable for gold myself.

Give me a reasonable way to earn Undaunted without doing Dungeons/Pledges then.

Indeed there should be. Because PvE and PvP are radically different playstyles basically everything in the game should be achievable by either one of them. I just find it disheartening that any time someone says, "I would like to have X that is only obtainable via PvP but since I dislike PvP it would make me happy (retain me longer as a player) if there were a way to obtain it via PvE," the thread is flooded by people being nasty to them and belittling them and telling them they have to "earn" it. Yet in the same breath these same people will complain about how there's too much PvE in this game and not enough PvP and they want to be able to kill people in all the PvE zones. And because they can't this is used as some lame justification to keep players from having access to things that are currently associated with PvP.

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face! I, a primarily PvE player in this game who dislikes the way PvP works here, have begged for dueling, arenas, the introduction of the long awaited PvP portion of the Justice System and have recently discussed my desire not to just see a PvE version of Cyrodiil and Imperial City.... but open world PvP versions of all the other zones. Because it seems to me that PvPers must be pretty much bored out of their minds with the narrow confines of PvP in this game. And I want them to have every bit as much content as I do. Why? 1. I'm not a jerk. 2. Having more options for PvP would induce ME to participate in it more often. 3. A thriving PvP community of players, just like a thriving community of PvE players, means this game will last longer and get better for ALL of us.

So maybe, PvP folks, you could get out of your "competitive" mindsets for a few minutes and realize that those who prefer PvE over PvP are NOT your enemies trying to steal your "hard earned" goodies from you. We're actually your strongest advocates and allies. You might want to stop being so mean to us.

first of all PvP in all area's won't work because of cadwell's. second of all i am not in the mood when i im leveling my alt getting griefed by some low life griefers all the time ruining my experience for questing. if eso would implement PvP in all area's i would quit or they should have a implementation like wow did and not be attacked or you can't attack other players cause i don't want that. forcing someone elses gameplay while ruining it for the larger part of the community. PvP already affected pvE in a large way, just look at the no stam regen while blocking, the need of a alliance skill to actually complete PvE content (need of vigor for a stam user in vMSA) and it would probably break ALOT of quests

Where on Earth (or Nirn) did you get the idea that I wanted to get rid of PvE and force PvP on everyone instead? OF COURSE there would have to be an opt out of PvP OR a separate open world PvP server. Since ZOS is committed to the megaserver I'm thinking the former would be the most logical option. I'd also disable PvP inside buildings so the banks don't become even worse pits of chaos than they are already.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

but open world PvP versions of all the other zones.

MornaBaine · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

but open world PvP versions of all the other zones.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/version

Version: a form of something (such as a product) that is different in some way from other forms

In other words, in order for a VERSION of one thing to exist...the original thing must also still exist. OR there must be MORE THAN ONE VERSION of a thing.

Got it?

Jar_Ek · December 2015

Well as a non hardcore gamer with limited time, a young family, a job, a commute, etc I would rather like PvP skills to be more accessible. I don't mind PvP too much but refuse to play healing spam games to get APs. So all my characters struggle to make PvP ranks as getting them takes time more than anything.

However I would think other means of gaining APs and PvP ranks would be preferable to simply buying PvP skills - if only due to how the skill trees work (is sequentially). So Arena, justice, AP for IC objectives, and AP for some pve war effort in cyrodiil maybe - in other words working for your AP but in a way that better suits non PvP players.

sylviermoone · December 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

sylviermoone wrote: »

Dear god. Just....no. If you want the skill, earn the skill.

So: If you want a monster helmet, earn the monster helmet.

There is no difference. Some skills and helmets are essential for VMA.
PVP people soon can buy this stuff, PVE people cannot. This is UNFAIR.

If PVP people will be able to buy PvE monster helmets with APs,
PVE people should be able to unlock PvP skills with gold keys.

It's cute, how you took one little piece of what I said, and used it out of context.

I'm NOT a PvPer. If and when I want those PvP skills, I will earn them. When I'm ready to level up undaunted more, I will do that, too. If i want a minster healm, I will go earn me a monster healm.

Buying equipment is not even the same as buying a skill line. I am not a fan of vamp/werewolf being purchasable, either. Equipment, sure, to some extent, but I don't see why it's problematic to have some equipment be locked as rewards for completing content, either. Not that the way it is implemented here is terribly great. The RNG game is awful, and I wish that would be fixed.

You can not point to equipment being purchasable and come to the logical conclusion that it means skill lines should now be open for you to purchase. These two things are NOT interchangeable. Skills are earned and leveled by playing the content associated with the skill lines. What, should we sell the fully leveled Mage's Guild skill line to people now, because finding all the books to fully level it can be a pain? Your comparison is fallacious, at best.

A better comparison would be "I don't like doing PvP, and I wish I could get that PvP gear or those Akaviri motifs in another way." Oh, wait....you can.

Czeri · December 2015

You can not point to equipment being purchasable and come to the logical conclusion that it means skill lines should now be open for you to purchase.

Actually we can. Since the thing monster sets and alliance skills have in common is that they give you the edge in combat. So they are absolutely comparable in that respect. It's not like people were clamouring to get monster sets without doing vet dungeons because they liked how they look.

Volkodav · December 2015

No selling skill lines.
Why is everyone so darn intent on taking this game apart and making it sellable? Why do people even come into a game,play it,only to find it not to their wishes,and begin demanding that it be taken apart,sold bit by bit so that skill lines,bites,leveling,and attributes can all be changed without playing the game at all.
Please,dont mess it all up.Let this amazing game live,as it was meant to live.Not as you demand it.People should do what they do with other games.Learn to play it,and live with whatever limitations it was made with.If it doesnt fit your demands,by all means,go and just find a different game you will enjoy more.
There are plenty out there.
Dont rip ours apart.

Aoife32001 · December 2015

A simpler solution simply would be to make every skill available via multiple exp options, be they PvP or PvE. I would definitely be against purchasable skills.

Browiseth · December 2015

Czeri wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

How dare you want to be rewarded in a video game whilst having fun earning that reward

Thanks for getting to the bottom of all the "you want it, earn it" objections :-) That's why gathering the gold for the unlock won't count, cause I won't be miserable doing it!

Anytime. I always do my best to remember that this game isn't a job

Sithisvoid · December 2015

Next it will be "please let us buy a lvl 50 Character"