Do you know that you can scale any premade group?

remilafo · December 2015

Im a huge fan of the battle leveling in group dungeons now and wrothgar. IMO it should be in many more places in the game.

But i keep finding myself telling people that "YES YOU CAN SCALE a Premade group" .. People are still asking in zone for things like

LFXM blah blah, scaled v2
LFXM blah, V16 only.
LFG V16 DPS

umm why? using the LFG tool you can scale any group regardless of level EVEN WITH PREMADE groups (lvl 10+) all to V16 .. i Keep having to tell people thing cause they don't know. ZOS i feel you need to advertise this more.

You can take your 4 buddies at lvl 34, v1, V16 and V5 all get into a group together and Head into any dungeon and have all you friends Battle leveled to V16 and everybody wins.

Curiosity did you know ? Cause i have the feeling that such a huge percent of the population still think the LFG tool is terrible and they don't think they can scale a premade group.

MissBizz · December 2015

You should explain how to actually do it though... If you get 4 people in a group and just head to a dungeon it won't battle level folks, and the dungeon will scale to the leaders level.

Taemethius · December 2015

This is very easy to do.

1. V2 adds 3 v16
2. V16 load into dung which will stay v2
3. V2 leaves and gets on his main. And regroups.
4. 4 v16 run through a v2 dung in minutes.
5. Very fast gold keys

Qyrk · December 2015

Yes, you can have all groups battle level to v16 when doing dungeons, but I bet you you will not finish vicp dungeons with this (or will have a very very difficult time for a pugged group finder group). Scaling and battle leveling have it's place within the PvE dungeons - scale it lower (I.e. not using the group tool) to make faster, easier clearing of hard(er) dungeons or battle level it for the challenge. Take your pick.

zornyan · December 2015

As above, whilst leveling alts I regularly go down to the enclave and shout out V1 or xyz scaled gold and silver , have a group in less than 5 minutes.

Some people just want the keys quickly, and we normally do the lower scales with 3 dps and just everything gets burnt down insanely quick.

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2015

How do you do that? As far as I know, on PC you can't activate battle leveling when you allready have 4 players in your group. Sure you can try to add the last member via grouping tool but especially for pledges you'll find 10 other players first, who you then have to kick, before you'll be group with your friend.

Volkodav · December 2015

I would think that if you have four people in a group and the leader is too low,just all ungroup,stand there and get re-invited by the best leveled player for the dungeon. Since the dungeon scales to the leader's level.Rather than to re-level it the way suggested by the OP.
The idea put forth by Taemethius seems a bit complicated to me.No offense intended.

LBC_Demon · December 2015

So how do you do it then?

NinjaMyk · December 2015

It is done by creating a group of 3 and starting a queue for the dungeon you want then immediately invite your 4th person the dungeon will now be scaled to vet 16 with all your stats at scaled vet 16 and all loot drops at right level for each individual

Volkodav · December 2015

NinjaMyk wrote: »

It is done by creating a group of 3 and starting a queue for the dungeon you want then immediately invite your 4th person the dungeon will now be scaled to vet 16 with all your stats at scaled vet 16 and all loot drops at right level for each individual

Ooo.Nice to get a good description.TY.

code65536 · December 2015

Taemethius wrote: »

This is very easy to do.

1. V2 adds 3 v16
2. V16 load into dung which will stay v2
3. V2 leaves and gets on his main. And regroups.
4. 4 v16 run through a v2 dung in minutes.
5. Very fast gold keys

Bah. That's cheesy. And if I get a monster helm or agility/willpower piece at the end, I'd be peeved if it wasn't VR16. I run pledges at VR16 and only VR16. Don't mind at all if lowbies scale up, but I will never scale down. It's why I love the new battle-leveling so much, as it means I can run the pledges with people of any level and not worry about getting crap low-level rewards.

LBC_Demon wrote: »

So how do you do it then?

Form a pre-made group with either 2 or 3 people. You can't do this with a 1-person group (since it's not a group yet), and you can't do this with a 4-person group (since it's full).
Initiate a Group Finder search.
Immediately cancel the Group Finder search.
Invite the rest of your group members.

Simply initiating the search will convert the group into a scaled Group Finder group, and once converted, the group will remain a Group Finder group until the group fully disbands. So you can switch members in and out normally, without going through the above process. You should cancel the search as soon as possible to minimize the risk of it picking up randoms and having to go through the awkward apologies and explanation of what's going on. I personally like to do this when the group is just at two members, with no tank and healer in the group, as I've had problems where, with a pre-formed group with tank, healer, and DPS, it would pick up a random person before I can even press that cancel button.

Caveats:

Note that the method described above works only with people in your faction, since it involves manual invites. I.e., it's only for turning on scaling for a same-faction group. For cross-faction grouping, you won't be cancelling the search, the other invitees have to enter the queue, and then you have to hope that the search actually picks the right person from the queue. It's a messy process if you want to go cross-faction.
You cannot change the dungeon mode once the group has been converted, so your only option is to fully disband and regroup (e.g., if you want to run the nonvet CoH pledge after that day's vet pledge, you need to disband, reform, and re-do the Group Finder conversion).

remilafo · December 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

You should explain how to actually do it though... If you get 4 people in a group and just head to a dungeon it won't battle level folks, and the dungeon will scale to the leaders level.

looks like @code65536 answered the question nicely.

Although i will point out that you don't need to cancel the group search, just adding members until 4 people are there will do that automatically.

Qyrk wrote: »

Yes, you can have all groups battle level to v16 when doing dungeons, but I bet you you will not finish vicp dungeons with this (or will have a very very difficult time for a pugged group finder group). Scaling and battle leveling have it's place within the PvE dungeons - scale it lower (I.e. not using the group tool) to make faster, easier clearing of hard(er) dungeons or battle level it for the challenge. Take your pick.

maybe but that's not the point of this thread. Im not trying to say that a inexperienced V1 is equal to an experienced V16, no not at all.

The point was mainly to bring awareness to the fact that you can scale/battle level a pre-made group. Which my experienced showed that not many people knew about it.

On a related but independent topic Battle-leveling is incredible strong! for each level it boosts you there is a small bonus each level. I recently leveled a Stamblade and i geared him in Purples at V1, i was ridiculously overpowered (when battle leveled) with about 3.6K wpn dmg, 27k hp, 34k stam and like 2.2k stam regen. I totally did vWgt under these numbers, the character actually grew weaker as i approached V16.

Some other thread on these forums are totally against the battle leveling system because of the enormous boost it gives and wonder whats the point of leveling up at all; but yeah other topic entirely.

acw37162 · December 2015

Taemethius wrote: »

This is very easy to do.

1. V2 adds 3 v16
2. V16 load into dung which will stay v2
3. V2 leaves and gets on his main. And regroups.
4. 4 v16 run through a v2 dung in minutes.
5. Very fast gold keys

My Christmas Wish for you, every time you do this you get the exact monster helm in weight and trait that you are looking for.

code65536 · December 2015

remilafo wrote: »

Although i will point out that you don't need to cancel the group search, just adding members until 4 people are there will do that automatically.

You don't need to cancel the search. But as a matter of etiquette, you should. No matter how quickly everyone involved acts, cancelling the search is still faster than manually inviting the rest of the group and waiting for them to accept the invitation. And the reason you want to end the search quickly--either by cancelling or by filling the group to four--is to minimize the risk of the Group Finder pulling in a random person who you will then have to kick, booting them back to the end of the queue and wasting their time.

LBC_Demon · December 2015

Thank you guys for the explanation. That sounds great. I wish we didn't have to cheese the system because being able to run a dungeon with friends at different levels is nothing but a good thing.

CirithValaria · March 2016

code65536 wrote: »

[*] Form a pre-made group with either 2 or 3 people. You can't do this with a 1-person group (since it's not a group yet), and you can't do this with a 4-person group (since it's full).
[*] Initiate a Group Finder search.
[*] Immediately cancel the Group Finder search.
[*] Invite the rest of your group members.
[/list]

Simply initiating the search will convert the group into a scaled Group Finder group, and once converted, the group will remain a Group Finder group until the group fully disbands. So you can switch members in and out normally, without going through the above process. You should cancel the search as soon as possible to minimize the risk of it picking up randoms and having to go through the awkward apologies and explanation of what's going on. I personally like to do this when the group is just at two members, with no tank and healer in the group, as I've had problems where, with a pre-formed group with tank, healer, and DPS, it would pick up a random person before I can even press that cancel button.

Caveats:
Note that the method described above works only with people in your faction, since it involves manual invites. I.e., it's only for turning on scaling for a same-faction group. For cross-faction grouping, you won't be cancelling the search, the other invitees have to enter the queue, and then you have to hope that the search actually picks the right person from the queue. It's a messy process if you want to go cross-faction.

You cannot change the dungeon mode once the group has been converted, so your only option is to fully disband and regroup (e.g., if you want to run the nonvet CoH pledge after that day's vet pledge, you need to disband, reform, and re-do the Group Finder conversion).

Sadly this wont work anymore

Or has anyone figured out a workaround?
PLS @ZOS_GinaBruno this is (again) killing our guild runs with many different lvl players.

Old system which you could "cheese" was good, but even better would be an actual button which u could use to battle level all up to vr 16.
Cross faction grouping is good but without this its almost pointless $:\$

remilafo · March 2016

CirithValaria wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

[*] Form a pre-made group with either 2 or 3 people. You can't do this with a 1-person group (since it's not a group yet), and you can't do this with a 4-person group (since it's full).
[*] Initiate a Group Finder search.
[*] Immediately cancel the Group Finder search.
[*] Invite the rest of your group members.
[/list]

Simply initiating the search will convert the group into a scaled Group Finder group, and once converted, the group will remain a Group Finder group until the group fully disbands. So you can switch members in and out normally, without going through the above process. You should cancel the search as soon as possible to minimize the risk of it picking up randoms and having to go through the awkward apologies and explanation of what's going on. I personally like to do this when the group is just at two members, with no tank and healer in the group, as I've had problems where, with a pre-formed group with tank, healer, and DPS, it would pick up a random person before I can even press that cancel button.

Caveats:
Note that the method described above works only with people in your faction, since it involves manual invites. I.e., it's only for turning on scaling for a same-faction group. For cross-faction grouping, you won't be cancelling the search, the other invitees have to enter the queue, and then you have to hope that the search actually picks the right person from the queue. It's a messy process if you want to go cross-faction.

You cannot change the dungeon mode once the group has been converted, so your only option is to fully disband and regroup (e.g., if you want to run the nonvet CoH pledge after that day's vet pledge, you need to disband, reform, and re-do the Group Finder conversion).

Sadly this wont work anymore
Or has anyone figured out a workaround?
PLS @ZOS_GinaBruno this is (again) killing our guild runs with many different lvl players.

Old system which you could "cheese" was good, but even better would be an actual button which u could use to battle level all up to vr 16.
Cross faction grouping is good but without this its almost pointless $:\$

yeah i found this out also yesterday..

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we escalate this to be looked into quickly. Scaling was the best and now it's not working.

Acsvf · March 2016

It's a bit more work battle leveling dungeons than just going into one.
On another note, looking for only V16 members is quite understandable. People using a V16 not only have a guaranteed amount of experience and champion points, but V16s also have better gear in general(gold color, enchantments, set items etc).

remilafo · March 2016

Acsvf wrote: »

It's a bit more work battle leveling dungeons than just going into one.
On another note, looking for only V16 members is quite understandable. People using a V16 not only have a guaranteed amount of experience and champion points, but V16s also have better gear in general(gold color, enchantments, set items etc).

what? this is totally irrelevant to this thread. This thread isn't about implementing anything or about player/character strenght.

It's about that prior to thieves guild we could battle scale any player for any dungeon, it made playing with our alts or lower level friends better. This feature seems to have broke or stopped working with the "new/updated" LFG tool..

We want it back because it was excellent.

Humatiel · March 2016

remilafo wrote: »

Acsvf wrote: »

It's a bit more work battle leveling dungeons than just going into one.
On another note, looking for only V16 members is quite understandable. People using a V16 not only have a guaranteed amount of experience and champion points, but V16s also have better gear in general(gold color, enchantments, set items etc).

what? this is totally irrelevant to this thread. This thread isn't about implementing anything or about player/character strenght.

It's about that prior to thieves guild we could battle scale any player for any dungeon, it made playing with our alts or lower level friends better. This feature seems to have broke or stopped working with the "new/updated" LFG tool..

We want it back because it was excellent.

I realize these forums tend to "knee-jerk" anything they assume is an elitist mindset or dealing remotely with anything outside of the carebear lane...but holy crap the man just made a comment after stating his opinion of it taking longer to manually battle level. No reason to jump down his throat.

CirithValaria · March 2016

Yeah it was super useful function for grouping with guild members no matter the level.
I think it was THE BEST THING that zos has ever implemented related to grouping.

Fact is that most players did not even realize how it worked or its potential.
It was most precious function for guilds that have a lot different level players, perfect way of helping new comers and explaining dungeon - while everyone gets loot and xp for their own lvl. Just win-win!
Cross alliance grouping together with this battle level function was something I really anticipated the most in Thieves Guild.
Forming guild groups as for now is almost impossible in small guilds that have wide spread of levels...

Pls make it possible to choose "battle level" option so that pre-made groups with different level players can enjoy dungeons together.

OR

Pls revert the changes so that it atleast works as it used to..
"If the tool is activated even a second, it will battle level the whole group..."

Can't say how important and helpful this would be!
As for now, getting groups up for dungeons is as painful as it was long ago

This is not only about pledges or about v16 players not wanting to group up with lower lvl players...

Circuitica · March 2016

CirithValaria wrote: »

Sadly this wont work anymore
Or has anyone figured out a workaround?
PLS @ZOS_GinaBruno this is (again) killing our guild runs with many different lvl players.

Old system which you could "cheese" was good, but even better would be an actual button which u could use to battle level all up to vr 16.
Cross faction grouping is good but without this its almost pointless $:\$

Oh noes. I was looking forward to it for so long. Well, seems like ZOS doesn't want to encourage players of different levels/ranks to play together.

No more guild dungeons then.

remilafo · March 2016

Humatiel wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

Acsvf wrote: »

It's a bit more work battle leveling dungeons than just going into one.
On another note, looking for only V16 members is quite understandable. People using a V16 not only have a guaranteed amount of experience and champion points, but V16s also have better gear in general(gold color, enchantments, set items etc).

what? this is totally irrelevant to this thread. This thread isn't about implementing anything or about player/character strenght.

It's about that prior to thieves guild we could battle scale any player for any dungeon, it made playing with our alts or lower level friends better. This feature seems to have broke or stopped working with the "new/updated" LFG tool..

We want it back because it was excellent.

I realize these forums tend to "knee-jerk" anything they assume is an elitist mindset or dealing remotely with anything outside of the carebear lane...but holy crap the man just made a comment after stating his opinion of it taking longer to manually battle level. No reason to jump down his throat.

I feel this response is just because you don't like me because i've strongly disagreed with you in other posts. Stick to the topic.

Humatiel · March 2016

remilafo wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

Acsvf wrote: »

It's a bit more work battle leveling dungeons than just going into one.
On another note, looking for only V16 members is quite understandable. People using a V16 not only have a guaranteed amount of experience and champion points, but V16s also have better gear in general(gold color, enchantments, set items etc).

what? this is totally irrelevant to this thread. This thread isn't about implementing anything or about player/character strenght.

It's about that prior to thieves guild we could battle scale any player for any dungeon, it made playing with our alts or lower level friends better. This feature seems to have broke or stopped working with the "new/updated" LFG tool..

We want it back because it was excellent.

I realize these forums tend to "knee-jerk" anything they assume is an elitist mindset or dealing remotely with anything outside of the carebear lane...but holy crap the man just made a comment after stating his opinion of it taking longer to manually battle level. No reason to jump down his throat.

I feel this response is just because you don't like me because i've strongly disagreed with you in other posts. Stick to the topic.

truthfully I don't recognize your name, but staying on topic will help us eliminate any similar posts and potential problems in the future.

efster · March 2016

This worked fine for us last night, a v5 in the (cross-faction, pre-formed) group was scaled and all rewards were player-levelled. We queued for a random dungeon. It should work the same way if you queue for a specific dungeon. If anything, they've made it easier to group with all kinds of player levels, not harder, since cross-faction grouping means you don't have to "pick people up" via the tool.

The only problem was the very long wait to actually be ported to the dungeon, but I'm not sure if that's going to be a problem if you queue for a specific one instead of a random one.

SmalltalkJava · March 2016

Wont the helmet drops be scaled down? I'd be pissed if I finally got a monster helm and it was vr1

CirithValaria · March 2016

zmobie_dementor wrote: »

This worked fine for us last night, a v5 in the (cross-faction, pre-formed) group was scaled and all rewards were player-levelled. We queued for a random dungeon. It should work the same way if you queue for a specific dungeon. If anything, they've made it easier to group with all kinds of player levels, not harder, since cross-faction grouping means you don't have to "pick people up" via the tool.

The only problem was the very long wait to actually be ported to the dungeon, but I'm not sure if that's going to be a problem if you queue for a specific one instead of a random one.

Just did this today and it did not work:
I, vr6 invited a player, started the tool and invited the rest from zone (manually) and when we got into dungeon it was vr6..
I, vr6 invited a guild member, started tool and shut it down, invited the rest and when we got into dungeon it was vr6...
Haven't yet been lucky enough to get in full tool group to see if that still works..

Doesn't matter since the main problem is the manually created groups and specially the guild ones $:\$
Share your secrets @zmobie_dementor!

efster · March 2016

Have you tried not starting the tool until after the group is formed? I mean by following these steps:

1. Form your group of 4 with all roles (Tank, Healer, 2 DPS)
2. Queue for a Specific dungeon (by putting a check mark next to that dungeon on the select screen)
3. Wait for LFG tool to port you into the dungeon (there should be notification below your current quest saying Queued, then In Progress once you are able to port to dungeon).
4. Profit (?)

The important part is that you have to be ported to the dungeon by the auto-porter, not enter it manually via a wayshrine -- I think that's what triggers the scaling, now. Since cross-faction grouping is now enabled and works the same as intra-faction grouping, if you manually enter a dungeon without waiting to be ported, your group will just scale to current leader.

vamp_emily · March 2016

remilafo wrote: »

Im a huge fan of the battle leveling in group dungeons now and wrothgar. IMO it should be in many more places in the game.

But i keep finding myself telling people that "YES YOU CAN SCALE a Premade group" .. People are still asking in zone for things like

LFXM blah blah, scaled v2
LFXM blah, V16 only.
LFG V16 DPS

umm why? using the LFG tool you can scale any group regardless of level EVEN WITH PREMADE groups (lvl 10+) all to V16 .. i Keep having to tell people thing cause they don't know. ZOS i feel you need to advertise this more.

You can take your 4 buddies at lvl 34, v1, V16 and V5 all get into a group together and Head into any dungeon and have all you friends Battle leveled to V16 and everybody wins.

Curiosity did you know ? Cause i have the feeling that such a huge percent of the population still think the LFG tool is terrible and they don't think they can scale a premade group.

Grouping tool.. blah blah blah

Did you know I spent half my weekend sitting in the que waiting for a group to do a dungeon.

Yes.. i posted everywhere where, in different zones LFG.. while I waited

Finally after 2 1/2 hours of waiting.. i find a group .. YES!!

Did you know the group was half way done and I filled in for the person that left the group. Did you know I did not get the fighters guild quest, and I did not get the achievement for killing the boss.

I had to go back and que again.. Did you know I never did find a group after that.

Yes the grouping tool works fine when it works but..

when it sucks it sucks bad.

PLEASE FIX THE GROUPING TOOL so I can play PvP and sit in a que and wait. I will never cry about it again.

Troneon · March 2016

remilafo wrote: »

Im a huge fan of the battle leveling in group dungeons now and wrothgar. IMO it should be in many more places in the game.

But i keep finding myself telling people that "YES YOU CAN SCALE a Premade group" .. People are still asking in zone for things like

LFXM blah blah, scaled v2
LFXM blah, V16 only.
LFG V16 DPS

umm why? using the LFG tool you can scale any group regardless of level EVEN WITH PREMADE groups (lvl 10+) all to V16 .. i Keep having to tell people thing cause they don't know. ZOS i feel you need to advertise this more.

You can take your 4 buddies at lvl 34, v1, V16 and V5 all get into a group together and Head into any dungeon and have all you friends Battle leveled to V16 and everybody wins.

Curiosity did you know ? Cause i have the feeling that such a huge percent of the population still think the LFG tool is terrible and they don't think they can scale a premade group.

Said the same thing when LFG tool first came out but ZOS's communication sucks...

CirithValaria · March 2016

zmobie_dementor wrote: »

Have you tried not starting the tool until after the group is formed? I mean by following these steps:

1. Form your group of 4 with all roles (Tank, Healer, 2 DPS)
2. Queue for a Specific dungeon (by putting a check mark next to that dungeon on the select screen)
3. Wait for LFG tool to port you into the dungeon (there should be notification below your current quest saying Queued, then In Progress once you are able to port to dungeon).
4. Profit (?)

The important part is that you have to be ported to the dungeon by the auto-porter, not enter it manually via a wayshrine -- I think that's what triggers the scaling, now. Since cross-faction grouping is now enabled and works the same as intra-faction grouping, if you manually enter a dungeon without waiting to be ported, your group will just scale to current leader.

Thanks for this info, I will most def test this out!