Dragons!

NetoJON · December 2015

catalyst10e wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Players who want dragons are usually players who don't care about the actual Lore of the game. That's cool, I respect it, but I will always say no.

Dont go judging people that way... you dont know what I care or dont

they can make a thousand things to bring dragons to the game without having the lore broken... wait for it...

I am curious as to what you think would be "a thousand" lore-friendly ways to bring Dragons. Every time you say "wait for it" I assumed you were going to type up a list or something... Now I'm beginning to think you think it's an inevitable conclusion.. like ZOS WILL eventually put in dragons in a lore-friendly manner, and we all just have to wait and see.

The Dragons of the past were worshiped, and any of the Dragons you can name, you got the name from Skyrim, which means they have to live long enough to make it to the 4th era. Dragon hunts were done after Tiber Septim ascends the ruby throne. After that they disappear until the 4th Area during the events of Skyrim. Inserting a Dragon at any other point would cause all kinds of problems.

The closest you might be able to get to being Lore friendly would be to introduce Akavir, but since Bethesda themselves haven't yet shown what Akavir looks like, I doubt they'd allow ZOS to make it. Aside from the continent itself, it'd force them to also introduce all those other races and such, theres too many hoops to jump thru all so you can fight a Dragon.

The only other lore that might sync up would be the Dragon War itself that ended all Dragon rule, and while it might be easy to jump on and say "yeah! we should play in the memory of a nord(s) to killed a Dragon!" I'll remind you Magic is only just now (within the 2nd era of ESO) being introduced as open for eveyone to use. It didn't use to be that way, and so the lore of not being able to use magic during that time would clash with the lore of fighting Dragons. Etc etc...

Im not here to try to offer a solution... I just wanted some people that WANTED dragons to talk about it.. and some intruders came and are trying to just spoil the fun of the post...Some gamers are soooooooooo annoying with some stuff.. and its not even the lore the problem... its whats new... the change... that everyone here that dont want dragons are afraid of.. I just got my post spoiled.. but that's ok... keep it... it wont change the fact that its perfectly possible for a dragon dlc to come without any lore harm, if the creators want to

NetoJON · December 2015

Alec508 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

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I think your missing the fact that this was not a "friendly lore discussion" the OP was saying he wants dragons added and you all jumped down his throat with "lore this lore that"

see guys? its not that hard to understand... you just need to read... its not a post for "lore lovers"... its a dragon post

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MrDerrikk · December 2015

NetoJON wrote: »

Im not here to try to offer a solution... I just wanted some people that WANTED dragons to talk about it.. and some intruders came and are trying to just spoil the fun of the post...Some gamers are soooooooooo annoying with some stuff.. and its not even the lore the problem... its whats new... the change... that everyone here that dont want dragons are afraid of.. I just got my post spoiled.. but that's ok... keep it... it wont change the fact that its perfectly possible for a dragon dlc to come without any lore harm, if the creators want to

1. Yes it's possible, as has been said multiple times. However the fact that they are offering reasons why it would not be feasible and you are not offering any counter-argument makes you seem less logical.
2. Some intruders? These people have every right to talk on here, that's why it's a forum. Apart from a few of them they've also been quite polite and put forward the reasons why they disagree in a pleasant and logical fashion.
3. The fact that you find gamers who care about the Lore annoying only shows that you do not fully understand the pull of TES series. It's about the carefully and incredibly detailed history behind the game, even more than "Oh look, enemies! Must kill them all!". This is okay, but means that this game isn't aimed at the exact audience that you're a part of.
4. We're not afraid of dragons being added, we just don't want them to counteract the Lore, for the myriad of reasons posted by others.
5. Again, it's perfectly plausible to create a DLC with dragons. However, there would be no need, as they already have a much more interesting roadmap to cover areas of Tamriel that we either haven't seen since the early games or have never seen. A DLC with dragons would most likely be a time-travel one where you fight in the Great Dragon Wars, and is just adding a totally "new" area that has not been presented on the roadmap, creating more work for the devs. I'd also guess they'd be nothing more than slightly adjusted 3D models of Titans.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

To those believing there are no Dragons in TESO allow me to direct your attention to the Daedric Titan. Beyond that sure a Dragon or 50 raiding Skyrim for us to have fun watching err slaying would be awesome but lore is lore and no Dragons of that sort will be added to this game.

CJohnson81 · December 2015

[snip] So many things happened - people denied that ESO lore is important, the OP just repeated over and over "gimme my thing" without any real argument as to how to do it while remaining lore friendly, the lore-guys dropped some science (I love the lore. It's TES, DUH, of course I love the lore. And WOW, those guys know some stuff!) And in the end, it's all ridiculous, because the OP has the trump card - if ZOS wants to, they can figure it out. Well great, discussion closed.

The thing is, at the heart of TES, there has always been something new to experience with each release. Some little part of the story gets played out and you can see how the history occurred. We've seen dragons already, let's move on.

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NetoJON · December 2015

CJohnson81 wrote: »

[snip] So many things happened - people denied that ESO lore is important, the OP just repeated over and over "gimme my thing" without any real argument as to how to do it while remaining lore friendly, the lore-guys dropped some science (I love the lore. It's TES, DUH, of course I love the lore. And WOW, those guys know some stuff!) And in the end, it's all ridiculous, because the OP has the trump card - if ZOS wants to, they can figure it out. Well great, discussion closed.

The thing is, at the heart of TES, there has always been something new to experience with each release. Some little part of the story gets played out and you can see how the history occurred. We've seen dragons already, let's move on.

???
we haven't seen mages? healers? tanks? vampires? werewolves? hmm cool

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MrDerrikk · December 2015

@CJohnson81

Here you go:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/236807/why-dragons-should-not-be-in-eso-and-if-added-how

NetoJON · December 2015

But if there are any people left to talk about WANTING Dragons in this game I would love to continue this post...

Galbrant · December 2015

The only way I can see Dragons in ESO if we the player gets ported to the future in a major world changing event... or we go back in time via turtles in time to fight our way back to the future. But...

What about Paarthurnax!? He was active still I believe he just hanging in the mountains with a bunch of old people.

deleted008293 · December 2015

Everything is possible. While things can't happen in current timeline it can happen in another. Traveling through time will give you a glimpse about long lost wars. One can ride dragons. Another one can play as dwemmer. But only there.

Shunravi · December 2015

Paarthurnax and several other dragons are known to be about( i think it was something like 5 of them). I could see a dragon as part of a trial, dungeon, or something. Something limited. That being said I really don't want to see dragons. They tried, and apparently failed, to fill that niche with daedric titans. Though it could be fun to have a graphic of Paarthurnax flying about the mountain...

Ra'Shtar · December 2015

In an expansion setting 700 years after Skyrim maybe they will come up with new lore that allows Dragons and regular snow elves to be in the game

and we get to go to Akavir and Pyanodnea maybe even Yokuda, even get answers to what the continent of Aldmeris truly is/was

Ra'Shtar · December 2015

Also i really wish they came up with many of the spells that are missing like the ones from Illusion and my dear frost spells!

AngryNord · December 2015

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

In an expansion setting 700 years after Skyrim maybe they will come up with new lore that allows Dragons and regular snow elves to be in the game and we get to go to Akavir and Pyanodnea maybe even Yokuda, even get answers to what the continent of Aldmeris truly is/was

[snip] would they suddenly make such a setting? You do know ESO takes place almost a thousand years BEFORE Skyrim, right?

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Ra'Shtar · December 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

In an expansion setting 700 years after Skyrim maybe they will come up with new lore that allows Dragons and regular snow elves to be in the game and we get to go to Akavir and Pyanodnea maybe even Yokuda, even get answers to what the continent of Aldmeris truly is/was

[snip] would they suddenly make such a setting? You do know ESO takes place almost a thousand years BEFORE Skyrim, right?

The answer is very simple they wanted to skip some time because they didn't wanted to mess with the lore, also i woould like to see Atmora!

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willymchilybily · December 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

anyway, I want dragons... thats it =P big small babies... I dont care.. just give me my dragon dlc that do not break the lore [snip]

Did you even play Skyrim at all? did you know there were 4 Elder Scrolls Game before Skyrim plus several spinoffs? take my advice L2L, dragons were never babies because all dragons are basically very minor Gods, the only difference between them and Recognized Deities such as Akatosh is the size of their soul, also Dragons are highly intelligent people (yeah they are a race of oddly shaped people, they are not mindless beasts) having a pet dragon would be like trying to turn an Argonian into a pet, if anything you would be there pet as they would consider someone without the Aedric soul of a dovah as beneath them.

As a Dunmer i fully support slave pet angonians in crown store.

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GeneralLee · December 2015

There are no winners in this thread, no matter what Zos decides...
Either *** off the lore buffs, or *** off the people who dont care about lore and just want to charge head on into battle vs a dragon, riding their bear mount (or other)

Consider me in het second category by the way

Anyway, if Zos decided they add dragons in the game, at least they could make a few bucks doing it by selling a mount or pet or something like that(assuming there is at least a 50/50 split between ppl wanting and not wanting dragons).

Dubhliam · December 2015

I want unicorns!

Not even lore breaking!

Volkodav · December 2015

NetoJON wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I'll try a different approach to my lore and programming one earlier posted.

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But for others who are taking the dragon request seriously;

In ES Lore, it would be similar to allowing LoTRO players select a wizard from the character creation screen. And having hundreds and thousands of wizards running around, questing, etc... Sure, ZOS can DO it.If you have no problems with that, then it shows (and yes it does) that you have never truly appreciated what wizards are in LoTRO or what Dragons are in the Elders Scrolls. You are missing out. Perhaps you neither have the time or the interest to find out. Many others however, have - which is why they don't want Dragons, or Dwemer, or XYZ in the game.

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Its a post about wanting dragons... Im not to blame if people that dont want them came here... [snip]

And you know what... you guys keep saying NO DRAGONS because you are truly afraid they will add them...

Ok,..I want an Jeep,a Stahlhelm and an MG40 ingame,so,..should I get it? No.Just because you want it doesnt mean it would fit. I'd love to go around and mow down Skeleton soldiers with my machinegun,but it just isnt right for the game,..is it? :}
(Skyrim has Dragons.)

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joker0137 · December 2015

I really want a in game gun now! That would be good fun!

willymchilybily · December 2015

joker0137 wrote: »

I really want a in game gun now! That would be good fun!

appropriate forum handle you've chosen

Unboltedred · December 2015

Okay, no dragons, but maybe we could still have a "dragonborn" playable class for us to use (as an alternative to: dragon knight, sorcerer, nightblade, templar..). Maybe some of their class abilities could be based on shouts from skyrim. Even if the dragons aren't apart of this Era of tamriel, it doesn't mean that the thuum isn't in use, right?

MrDerrikk · December 2015

Unboltedred wrote: »

Okay, no dragons, but maybe we could still have a "dragonborn" playable class for us to use (as an alternative to: dragon knight, sorcerer, nightblade, templar..). Maybe some of their class abilities could be based on shouts from skyrim. Even if the dragons aren't apart of this Era of tamriel, it doesn't mean that the thuum isn't in use, right?

[snip] Just going to say nicely before others don't, but that's going to be less Lore-friendly than Dragons, which we know are already there

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AngryNord · December 2015

Unboltedred wrote: »

Okay, no dragons, but maybe we could still have a "dragonborn" playable class for us to use (as an alternative to: dragon knight, sorcerer, nightblade, templar..). Maybe some of their class abilities could be based on shouts from skyrim. Even if the dragons aren't apart of this Era of tamriel, it doesn't mean that the thuum isn't in use, right?

No dragonborn this era. Not until Tiber Septim.

Elebeth · December 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

I say this every time someone says " I want dragons liek the ones in skyrim"
,,, here goes.

I'll only address the merit of whatever you request, if you request it right.
No "Dragons" have ever appeared in ANY Elder Scrolls Game as far as I know of.
THIS ↓ is a dragon.

06 (six) limbs, being 04 (four) legs, and 02 (two) wings

The thing those imbred drunkards of the nord race called dragons, the Dovah, are sentient Wyverns

Chickens with scales for feathers.

And to that question i say:
Unless Zenimax makes it a quest/DLC where you travel trough time,
No.

Just because others use the "dragon classification" you presented, it doesn't mean that everyone should use it. Every fantasy universe is unique and has every right to do things the different way.

Uniqueness of TES lore and universe is what it makes it special and so beloved. And if TES calls those creatures dragons then they are dragons.

Same with any other game. If they say that their dragons have 3 legs and 4 wings then that's how it is.

TheShadowScout · December 2015

Unboltedred wrote: »

Okay, no dragons, but maybe we could still have a "dragonborn" playable class for us to use...

...funny, Emperor Varen Aquilarios had the same idea! And that's what started the whole mess, remember???

But seriously, right now in the TES era, the lack of "dragonborn" is an integral part of the background, and as has been mentioned, will carry on for a while yet, until Tiber Septim reforges the empire at the end of the 2nd era, beginning the 3rd.

Really, people... "The Elder Scrolls" is NOT all "Skyrim". It's way more then that.

Helgi_Skotina · December 2015

The dragons will awake in 4E201. We have 2E578. Nothing to discuss, it is agains the lore.

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

Elebeth wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

I say this every time someone says " I want dragons liek the ones in skyrim"
,,, here goes.

I'll only address the merit of whatever you request, if you request it right.
No "Dragons" have ever appeared in ANY Elder Scrolls Game as far as I know of.
THIS ↓ is a dragon.

06 (six) limbs, being 04 (four) legs, and 02 (two) wings

The thing those imbred drunkards of the nord race called dragons, the Dovah, are sentient Wyverns

Chickens with scales for feathers.

And to that question i say:
Unless Zenimax makes it a quest/DLC where you travel trough time,
No.

Just because others use the "dragon classification" you presented, it doesn't mean that everyone should use it. Every fantasy universe is unique and has every right to do things the different way.

Uniqueness of TES lore and universe is what it makes it special and so beloved. And if TES calls those creatures dragons then they are dragons.

Same with any other game. If they say that their dragons have 3 legs and 4 wings then that's how it is.

No! Come on man! We have to argue the physical characteristics of fictional creatures. Because these things are objective and are totally not products of popular culture.

sir_buttersworth · December 2015

@NetoJON , would Daedric Titans be a compromise for you? It's lore-friendly and looks like a dragon. Everyone wins.

Zorrashi · December 2015

NetoJON wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Players who want dragons are usually players who don't care about the actual Lore of the game. That's cool, I respect it, but I will always say no.

Dont go judging people that way... you dont know what I care or dont

they can make a thousand things to bring dragons to the game without having the lore broken... wait for it...

I am curious as to what you think would be "a thousand" lore-friendly ways to bring Dragons. Every time you say "wait for it" I assumed you were going to type up a list or something... Now I'm beginning to think you think it's an inevitable conclusion.. like ZOS WILL eventually put in dragons in a lore-friendly manner, and we all just have to wait and see.

The Dragons of the past were worshiped, and any of the Dragons you can name, you got the name from Skyrim, which means they have to live long enough to make it to the 4th era. Dragon hunts were done after Tiber Septim ascends the ruby throne. After that they disappear until the 4th Area during the events of Skyrim. Inserting a Dragon at any other point would cause all kinds of problems.

The closest you might be able to get to being Lore friendly would be to introduce Akavir, but since Bethesda themselves haven't yet shown what Akavir looks like, I doubt they'd allow ZOS to make it. Aside from the continent itself, it'd force them to also introduce all those other races and such, theres too many hoops to jump thru all so you can fight a Dragon.

The only other lore that might sync up would be the Dragon War itself that ended all Dragon rule, and while it might be easy to jump on and say "yeah! we should play in the memory of a nord(s) to killed a Dragon!" I'll remind you Magic is only just now (within the 2nd era of ESO) being introduced as open for eveyone to use. It didn't use to be that way, and so the lore of not being able to use magic during that time would clash with the lore of fighting Dragons. Etc etc...

[...] I just wanted some people that WANTED dragons to talk about it.. and some intruders came and are trying to just spoil the fun of the post[...]

And just like they guy who created the "If flying mounts were ever added..." poll, you have to understand that there are going to be people will come onto the thread to rebuke the idea. Especially if the topic at hand is controversial.
This is the general discussion forum, any thread posted on here is free to open support and open criticism. It will happen regardless of any premade "but they shouldn't be here" assumptions. The most you can do ask that comments be made constructively and ask that it not evolve into a flame war.