Dragons!

Alec508 · December 2015

Its so annoying how people say "go play skyrim" he doesn't want dragons roaming every city and town like in skyrim. He wants a map with dragons. THATS IT. Why hate on his idea so much. If you don't want to fight a dragon then you wouldn't have to go into that certain map or area. But to be so *** and annoying about the lore makes you all look so nerdy and honestly a bad look for the players of this game. He's not asking for a complete restructure of the game he just wants some god damn dragons. And I think he should get them

And fyi there is nothing wrong about being nerdy, I am hell I play eso ! But the worst is the nerds who think they are smarter and flip out because you scratched their cd..

Elebeth · December 2015

NetoJON wrote: »

Elebeth wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

anyway, I want dragons... thats it =P big small babies... I dont care.. just give me my dragon dlc that dot break the lore [snip]

Legit question, I'm not trying to troll you or anything:

If you love dragons so much why don't you go play Skyrim?

I love Dagoth Ur but I don't go on forums asking for his early awakening. I go and play Morrowind. I love the concept of Mantela and Numidium but I don't go around here and ask ZOS to implement them somehow because they where so great back then. I go and play Daggerfall. I love Dragons but I don't go around and ask ZOS to bend/break established lore just to see them again. I go and play Skyrim. (<-- this one might look like a jab at you; it's not, I'm just making a point/asking a question)

same answer
"I want them in this online game"

as a lot of people also do

You see, it's because of a lack of elaboration in the comments like that one ^ that people start raging "lore! lore!".

By stating "I want them (dragons) in this online game" you portray a picture of a person that has no understanding of TES dragons, their established lore, and the very concept on which TES dragons work. It irks some people.

[edited to remove quote]

NetoJON · December 2015

Alec508 wrote: »

Its so annoying how people say "go play skyrim" he doesn't want dragons roaming every city and town like in skyrim. He wants a map with dragons. THATS IT. Why hate on his idea so much. If you don't want to fight a dragon then you wouldn't have to go into that certain map or area. But to be so *** and annoying about the lore makes you all look so nerdy and honestly a bad look for the players of this game. He's not asking for a complete restructure of the game he just wants some god damn dragons. And I think he should get them

And fyi there is nothing wrong about being nerdy, I am hell I play eso ! But the worst is the nerds who think they are smarter and flip out because you scratched their cd..

I like you

NetoJON · December 2015

Elebeth wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

Elebeth wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

anyway, I want dragons... thats it =P big small babies... I dont care.. just give me my dragon dlc that dot break the lore [snip]

Legit question, I'm not trying to troll you or anything:

If you love dragons so much why don't you go play Skyrim?

I love Dagoth Ur but I don't go on forums asking for his early awakening. I go and play Morrowind. I love the concept of Mantela and Numidium but I don't go around here and ask ZOS to implement them somehow because they where so great back then. I go and play Daggerfall. I love Dragons but I don't go around and ask ZOS to bend/break established lore just to see them again. I go and play Skyrim. (<-- this one might look like a jab at you; it's not, I'm just making a point/asking a question)

same answer
"I want them in this online game"

as a lot of people also do

You see, it's because of a lack of elaboration in the comments like that one ^ that people start raging "lore! lore!".

By stating "I want them (dragons) in this online game" you portray a picture of a person that has no understanding of TES dragons, their established lore, and the very concept on which TES dragons work. It irks some people.

well.. but I do... I dont need to "look" that I understand about the lore as some people here wants so mutch to... What i want to look right now is a person that wants a dragon dlc ^^

[edited to remove quote]

tinythinker · December 2015

Cously wrote: »

I see no lore breaking if the content is made by the people who created the universe. For instance, even if Tolkien completely changed parts of his story and people cried lore breaking, it is not lore breaking as was the creator himself who did it. Other people changing parts of his story without his consent IS lore breaking.

ZOS didn't make the universe, they would have to get special permission from Bethesda. There is strongly supported lore that carries over from other games, and directly contradicting it creates problems. Spoilers for why.

The approach ZOS has been taking is to use existing lore as inspiration and filling in gaps and exploring new territory to grow the game-world. Lore in The Elder Scrolls is not a straight-jacket of firmly fixed events to which future developers are slavishly bound. It is a fluid and living thing. But at the same time well-established history is not something to be casually altered or re-written, and ZOS has been mindful of that.

There are folks who cry "lore-breaking" at the drop of a hat. There are people who are mad that Cyrodiil isn't a jungle in the era in which ESO takes place, or that other games failed to mention the Three Banners War. I don't have a problem with either.

The former has no impact on the future timeline and can be explained away as scholar-error in a particular book. The latter can either be explained as "not all history books were included in all prior games" (or if you prefer a more convoluted answer, that a Dragonbreak has occurred and is creating an alternate reality that sprang into existence due to Molag Bal's interference). Either way, the existence or non-existence of the Three Banners War has no impact on the future timeline. The Interregnum ends, like in-game history says it does, and eventually further down the line Tiber Septim comes along and starts his dynasty.

Nothing in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim is seriously contradicted by such embellishing of the lore.

Having Dragons just reappear in the middle of the Second Era, though, is a different story. Literally. Dragons were supremely powerful, ruthless, and uncompromising. They would not appear in Tamriel for a minor plot or have a forgettable impact. ZOS can get away with elaborating on the fact that there were people fighting over the Ruby Throne by introducing the provisional militias of the three Alliances, but to have the Nords remember all of their history from the flight from Atmora to the Fourth Era but blank out on that one other time when the Dragons came back and terrorized the land? And to have the active Dragon living on top of the Throat of the World just "forget" that other time his kin returned?

Yup, that would be a problem.

In any case, I've suggested two lore-friendly ways Dragons, Dwemer, original Falmer, etc could be included in ESO in a very limited and lore-friendly way, so lore alone isn't the only objection I or others have. The bigger issue for me personally is what @Elebeth brought up, which is that the reason the missing races are so intriguing is because they are inaccessible, remote, and mysterious. They are part of the ambiguity of the lore, and ambiguity is essential for creativity and imagination. If we get to know all about and have regular access to the missing races, they lose their power and intrigue and become just something else in the game like goblins or lamia. Over-exposure would reduce them from legends to everyday occurrences.

Anything that explores Dragons, original Falmer, Dwemer, the ancestral Argonians (prior to Duskfall), and so forth should be handled very carefully, from an oblique angle and with limited access. It should answer or explain very little, and raise even more questions than players had before. To do otherwise is a disservice to the fans of The Elder Scrolls series (including the games that will come after ESO), and the franchise and will have a missed opportunity to enhance, rather than diminish, a very popular gaming legacy. If ZOS can do it right, I would look forward to it. But to do it poorly or cheaply to make a quick buck? Not interested.

NetoJON · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

I see no lore breaking if the content is made by the people who created the universe. For instance, even if Tolkien completely changed parts of his story and people cried lore breaking, it is not lore breaking as was the creator himself who did it. Other people changing parts of his story without his consent IS lore breaking.

ZOS didn't make the universe, they would have to get special permission from Bethesda. There is strongly supported lore that carries over from other games, and directly contradicting it creates problems. Spoilers for why.
The approach ZOS has been taking is to use existing lore as inspiration and filling in gaps and exploring new territory to grow the game-world. Lore in The Elder Scrolls is not a straight-jacket of firmly fixed events to which future developers are slavishly bound. It is a fluid and living thing. But at the same time well-established history is not something to be casually altered or re-written, and ZOS has been mindful of that.

There are folks who cry "lore-breaking" at the drop of a hat. There are people who are mad that Cyrodiil isn't a jungle in the era in which ESO takes place, or that other games failed to mention the Three Banners War. I don't have a problem with either.

The former has no impact on the future timeline and can be explained away as scholar-error in a particular book. The latter can either be explained as "not all history books were included in all prior games" (or if you prefer a more convoluted answer, that a Dragonbreak has occurred and is creating an alternate reality that sprang into existence due to Molag Bal's interference). Either way, the existence or non-existence of the Three Banners War has no impact on the future timeline. The Interregnum ends, like in-game history says it does, and eventually further down the line Tiber Septim comes along and starts his dynasty.

Nothing in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim is seriously contradicted by such embellishing of the lore.

Having Dragons just reappear in the middle of the Second Era, though, is a different story. Literally. Dragons were supremely powerful, ruthless, and uncompromising. They would not appear in Tamriel for a minor plot or have a forgettable impact. ZOS can get away with elaborating on the fact that there were people fighting over the Ruby Throne by introducing the provisional militias of the three Alliances, but to have the Nords remember all of their history from the flight from Atmora to the Fourth Era but blank out on that one other time when the Dragons came back and terrorized the land? And to have the one surviving Dragon living on top of the Throat of the World just "forget" that other time his kin returned?

Yup, that would be a problem.

In any case, I've suggested two lore-friendly ways Dragons, Dwemer, original Falmer, etc could be included in ESO in a very limited and lore-friendly way, so lore alone isn't the only objection I or others have. The bigger issue for me personally is what @Elebeth brought up, which is that the reason the missing races are so intriguing is because they are inaccessible, remote, and mysterious. They are part of the ambiguity of the lore, and ambiguity is essential for creativity and imagination. If we get to know all about and have regular access to the missing races, they lose their power and intrigue and become just something else in the game like goblins or lamia. Over-exposure would reduce them from legends to everyday occurrences.

Anything that explores Dragons, original Falmer, Dwemer, the ancestral Argonians (prior to Duskfall), and so forth should be handled very carefully, from an oblique angle and with limited access. It should answer or explain very little, and raise even more questions than players had before. To do otherwise is a disservice to the fans of The Elder Scrolls series (including the games that will come after ESO), and the franchise and will have been a missed opportunity to enhance, rather than diminish, a very popular gaming legacy. If ZOS can do it right, I would look forward to it. But to do it poorly or cheaply to make a quick buck? Not interested.

I agree its your opinion...

.. but not everyone thinks like you... you cant say bringing a dragon will do everything you said... it will do that for you!

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2015

Do you know what this is? It's a Daedric Titan, they were created by Molag Bal when he lured a Dragon into Coldharbour, the bones of that dragon were used to create this creature, it is the closest you are going to get to a dragon in ES0.

NetoJON · December 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Do you know what this is? It's a Daedric Titan, they were created by Molag Bal when he lured a Dragon into Coldharbour, the bones of that dragon were used to create this creature, it is the closest you are going to get to a dragon in ES.

I disagree... time will say if you are right.. or not =P

Xjcon · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

Indeed. This also applied to bringing back the Dwemer or the unaltered Falmer.

NetoJON wrote: »

they can say this... but I dont think they will keep this off so long... as dragons sells

And ZOS has to have permission for anything that might break lore. Ticking off a large segment of the fan-base for money might happen, but it would be a bone-headed move to have dragons appear in the 2nd Era or sell baby dragons in the crown store as has been requested in the past.

The two ways to get around the lore-based prohibition to meeting Dragons, Dwemer, or unaltered Falmer and the like would be a "crisis point time-travel zone" (sending player-characters through time to a period of disarray and imminent destruction or decimation of the local culture or society so that people wouldn't remember or notice the strangers among them) or a "lost pocket of Oblivion zone" (some part of Tamriel got sucked into a timeless bubble and because of blah blah blah the inhabitants can never leave) but neither possibility has ever been put on the table. And that still doesn't include the dragon pets (thank the Divines).

No Dragons? Wait.....isn't there one in VCOA? Or perhaps WGT, maybe even Maelstrom arena, I've even heard of them in DSA.

Spacemonkey · December 2015

I'll try a different approach to my lore and programming one earlier posted.

[snip]

But for others who are taking the dragon request seriously;

In ES Lore, it would be similar to allowing LoTRO players select a wizard from the character creation screen. And having hundreds and thousands of wizards running around, questing, etc... Sure, ZOS can DO it.If you have no problems with that, then it shows (and yes it does) that you have never truly appreciated what wizards are in LoTRO or what Dragons are in the Elders Scrolls. You are missing out. Perhaps you neither have the time or the interest to find out. Many others however, have - which is why they don't want Dragons, or Dwemer, or XYZ in the game.

[edited for baiting]

Lightninvash · December 2015

if I knew dragon posts were this much fun I would have asked for them long before this haha these people are crazy haha its fun reading these posts

NetoJON · December 2015

Spacemonkey wrote: »

I'll try a different approach to my lore and programming one earlier posted.

[snip]

But for others who are taking the dragon request seriously;

In ES Lore, it would be similar to allowing LoTRO players select a wizard from the character creation screen. And having hundreds and thousands of wizards running around, questing, etc... Sure, ZOS can DO it.If you have no problems with that, then it shows (and yes it does) that you have never truly appreciated what wizards are in LoTRO or what Dragons are in the Elders Scrolls. You are missing out. Perhaps you neither have the time or the interest to find out. Many others however, have - which is why they don't want Dragons, or Dwemer, or XYZ in the game.

[snip]

Its a post about wanting dragons... Im not to blame if people that dont want them came here... [snip]

And you know what... you guys keep saying NO DRAGONS because you are truly afraid they will add them...

[edited for flaming & to remove quote]

tinythinker · December 2015

NetoJON wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

I see no lore breaking if the content is made by the people who created the universe. For instance, even if Tolkien completely changed parts of his story and people cried lore breaking, it is not lore breaking as was the creator himself who did it. Other people changing parts of his story without his consent IS lore breaking.

ZOS didn't make the universe, they would have to get special permission from Bethesda. There is strongly supported lore that carries over from other games, and directly contradicting it creates problems. Spoilers for why.
The approach ZOS has been taking is to use existing lore as inspiration and filling in gaps and exploring new territory to grow the game-world. Lore in The Elder Scrolls is not a straight-jacket of firmly fixed events to which future developers are slavishly bound. It is a fluid and living thing. But at the same time well-established history is not something to be casually altered or re-written, and ZOS has been mindful of that.

There are folks who cry "lore-breaking" at the drop of a hat. There are people who are mad that Cyrodiil isn't a jungle in the era in which ESO takes place, or that other games failed to mention the Three Banners War. I don't have a problem with either.

The former has no impact on the future timeline and can be explained away as scholar-error in a particular book. The latter can either be explained as "not all history books were included in all prior games" (or if you prefer a more convoluted answer, that a Dragonbreak has occurred and is creating an alternate reality that sprang into existence due to Molag Bal's interference). Either way, the existence or non-existence of the Three Banners War has no impact on the future timeline. The Interregnum ends, like in-game history says it does, and eventually further down the line Tiber Septim comes along and starts his dynasty.

Nothing in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim is seriously contradicted by such embellishing of the lore.

Having Dragons just reappear in the middle of the Second Era, though, is a different story. Literally. Dragons were supremely powerful, ruthless, and uncompromising. They would not appear in Tamriel for a minor plot or have a forgettable impact. ZOS can get away with elaborating on the fact that there were people fighting over the Ruby Throne by introducing the provisional militias of the three Alliances, but to have the Nords remember all of their history from the flight from Atmora to the Fourth Era but blank out on that one other time when the Dragons came back and terrorized the land? And to have the one surviving Dragon living on top of the Throat of the World just "forget" that other time his kin returned?

Yup, that would be a problem.

In any case, I've suggested two lore-friendly ways Dragons, Dwemer, original Falmer, etc could be included in ESO in a very limited and lore-friendly way, so lore alone isn't the only objection I or others have. The bigger issue for me personally is what @Elebeth brought up, which is that the reason the missing races are so intriguing is because they are inaccessible, remote, and mysterious. They are part of the ambiguity of the lore, and ambiguity is essential for creativity and imagination. If we get to know all about and have regular access to the missing races, they lose their power and intrigue and become just something else in the game like goblins or lamia. Over-exposure would reduce them from legends to everyday occurrences.

Anything that explores Dragons, original Falmer, Dwemer, the ancestral Argonians (prior to Duskfall), and so forth should be handled very carefully, from an oblique angle and with limited access. It should answer or explain very little, and raise even more questions than players had before. To do otherwise is a disservice to the fans of The Elder Scrolls series (including the games that will come after ESO), and the franchise and will have been a missed opportunity to enhance, rather than diminish, a very popular gaming legacy. If ZOS can do it right, I would look forward to it. But to do it poorly or cheaply to make a quick buck? Not interested.

I agree its your opinion...

.. but not everyone thinks like you... you cant say bringing a dragon will do everything you said... it will do that for you!

Of course not, which is wonderful.

We need a diversity of views from the ESO community.

In the comment to which you replied I was addressing someone else on how lore is handled in ESO. Please do note that from the beginning I have offered lore-friendly ways to include dragons, and I have said I personally wouldn't care if they were done in a thoughtful and fun way. I object to just plopping things like dragons into the game and ruining their mystique.

[snip]

If you aren't trolling (and I assume you are not and are in fact sincere), then what I am posting is actually a way to argue for Dragons that is resistant to the cries of "lore-breaker!"

[edited for baiting]

tinythinker · December 2015

Lightninvash wrote: »

if I knew dragon posts were this much fun I would have asked for them long before this haha these people are crazy haha its fun reading these posts

So you missed the other Dragon threads? But still, this is nothing. I would give you other topics that are even more amazing to drop into the forums but they might inspire trolls and get people banned.

Lightninvash · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

if I knew dragon posts were this much fun I would have asked for them long before this haha these people are crazy haha its fun reading these posts

So you missed the other Dragon threads? But still, this is nothing. I would give you other topics that are even more amazing to drop into the forums but they might inspire trolls and get people banned.

im all ears hahaha

NetoJON · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

NetoJON wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

I see no lore breaking if the content is made by the people who created the universe. For instance, even if Tolkien completely changed parts of his story and people cried lore breaking, it is not lore breaking as was the creator himself who did it. Other people changing parts of his story without his consent IS lore breaking.

ZOS didn't make the universe, they would have to get special permission from Bethesda. There is strongly supported lore that carries over from other games, and directly contradicting it creates problems. Spoilers for why.
The approach ZOS has been taking is to use existing lore as inspiration and filling in gaps and exploring new territory to grow the game-world. Lore in The Elder Scrolls is not a straight-jacket of firmly fixed events to which future developers are slavishly bound. It is a fluid and living thing. But at the same time well-established history is not something to be casually altered or re-written, and ZOS has been mindful of that.

There are folks who cry "lore-breaking" at the drop of a hat. There are people who are mad that Cyrodiil isn't a jungle in the era in which ESO takes place, or that other games failed to mention the Three Banners War. I don't have a problem with either.

The former has no impact on the future timeline and can be explained away as scholar-error in a particular book. The latter can either be explained as "not all history books were included in all prior games" (or if you prefer a more convoluted answer, that a Dragonbreak has occurred and is creating an alternate reality that sprang into existence due to Molag Bal's interference). Either way, the existence or non-existence of the Three Banners War has no impact on the future timeline. The Interregnum ends, like in-game history says it does, and eventually further down the line Tiber Septim comes along and starts his dynasty.

Nothing in Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim is seriously contradicted by such embellishing of the lore.

Having Dragons just reappear in the middle of the Second Era, though, is a different story. Literally. Dragons were supremely powerful, ruthless, and uncompromising. They would not appear in Tamriel for a minor plot or have a forgettable impact. ZOS can get away with elaborating on the fact that there were people fighting over the Ruby Throne by introducing the provisional militias of the three Alliances, but to have the Nords remember all of their history from the flight from Atmora to the Fourth Era but blank out on that one other time when the Dragons came back and terrorized the land? And to have the one surviving Dragon living on top of the Throat of the World just "forget" that other time his kin returned?

Yup, that would be a problem.

In any case, I've suggested two lore-friendly ways Dragons, Dwemer, original Falmer, etc could be included in ESO in a very limited and lore-friendly way, so lore alone isn't the only objection I or others have. The bigger issue for me personally is what @Elebeth brought up, which is that the reason the missing races are so intriguing is because they are inaccessible, remote, and mysterious. They are part of the ambiguity of the lore, and ambiguity is essential for creativity and imagination. If we get to know all about and have regular access to the missing races, they lose their power and intrigue and become just something else in the game like goblins or lamia. Over-exposure would reduce them from legends to everyday occurrences.

Anything that explores Dragons, original Falmer, Dwemer, the ancestral Argonians (prior to Duskfall), and so forth should be handled very carefully, from an oblique angle and with limited access. It should answer or explain very little, and raise even more questions than players had before. To do otherwise is a disservice to the fans of The Elder Scrolls series (including the games that will come after ESO), and the franchise and will have been a missed opportunity to enhance, rather than diminish, a very popular gaming legacy. If ZOS can do it right, I would look forward to it. But to do it poorly or cheaply to make a quick buck? Not interested.

I agree its your opinion...

.. but not everyone thinks like you... you cant say bringing a dragon will do everything you said... it will do that for you!

Of course not, which is wonderful. We need a diversity of views from the ESO community.

In the comment to which you replied I was addressing someone else on how lore is handled in ESO. Please do note that from the beginning I have offered lore-friendly ways to include dragons, and I have said I personally wouldn't care if they were done in a thoughtful and fun way. I object to just plopping things like dragons into the game and ruining their mystique.

[snip]

If you aren't trolling (and I assume you are not and are in fact sincere), then what I am posting is actually a way to argue for Dragons that is resistant to the cries of "lore-breaker!"

sorry.. I misread you... =/

[edited to remove quote]

altemriel · December 2015

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

tinythinker · December 2015

Alec508 wrote: »

I am mocking people who are close minded to any suggestions just because IT MIGHT BREAK THE LORE.

Go read every lore book and wiki you can get your hands on idc. Its when your kind starts acting like they have some control over the game and everyone's opinions or suggestions are out of the realm of possibility. Like I said you act as if he requested pink unicorns that spit fire.

Nah, I'll just let you read my comments here if you want to figure out who to try to lump me in with when talking about "my kind". FYI, I've had plenty of people call my suggestions on the forums lore-breaking without ever giving a single reason why. But please, do go on tossing grenades at anyone who vaguely resembles a target. Plenty of folks are just settling in with their popcorn.

AhPook_Is_Here · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

Indeed. This also applied to bringing back the Dwemer or the unaltered Falmer.

NetoJON wrote: »

they can say this... but I dont think they will keep this off so long... as dragons sells

And ZOS has to have permission for anything that might break lore. Ticking off a large segment of the fan-base for money might happen, but it would be a bone-headed move to have dragons appear in the 2nd Era or sell baby dragons in the crown store as has been requested in the past.

The two ways to get around the lore-based prohibition to meeting Dragons, Dwemer, or unaltered Falmer and the like would be a "crisis point time-travel zone" (sending player-characters through time to a period of disarray and imminent destruction or decimation of the local culture or society so that people wouldn't remember or notice the strangers among them) or a "lost pocket of Oblivion zone" (some part of Tamriel got sucked into a timeless bubble and because of blah blah blah the inhabitants can never leave) but neither possibility has ever been put on the table. And that still doesn't include the dragon pets (thank the Divines).

That would be so cool if we could go back in time to the battle of Mt. Hyjal.

NetoJON · December 2015

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

there are a lot of gaps in the lore.. a lot of ways to bring dragons to this game... people here just dont want this... but it's totally possible

tinythinker · December 2015

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

tinythinker · December 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

Indeed. This also applied to bringing back the Dwemer or the unaltered Falmer.

NetoJON wrote: »

they can say this... but I dont think they will keep this off so long... as dragons sells

And ZOS has to have permission for anything that might break lore. Ticking off a large segment of the fan-base for money might happen, but it would be a bone-headed move to have dragons appear in the 2nd Era or sell baby dragons in the crown store as has been requested in the past.

The two ways to get around the lore-based prohibition to meeting Dragons, Dwemer, or unaltered Falmer and the like would be a "crisis point time-travel zone" (sending player-characters through time to a period of disarray and imminent destruction or decimation of the local culture or society so that people wouldn't remember or notice the strangers among them) or a "lost pocket of Oblivion zone" (some part of Tamriel got sucked into a timeless bubble and because of blah blah blah the inhabitants can never leave) but neither possibility has ever been put on the table. And that still doesn't include the dragon pets (thank the Divines).

That would be so cool if we could go back in time to the battle of Mt. Hyjal.

Yeah I've suggested that in prior threads and also the destruction of Atmora

imredneckson · December 2015

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

There are a few dragons still up and about though more than likely wont be making an appearance in ESO like Durnehviir still flying in the Soul Cairn, Vulthuryol in Black Reach, the two revered dragons that burst out of the frozen lake in the Dawnguard DLC, Paarthurnax still meditating, and that all that comes to mind at the moment. Still we don't know what other DLCs they'll add for all we know they may let us got to Akavir and fight dragons, we may go back in time to fight dragons during the dragon war we just don't know.

Alec508 · December 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

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I think your missing the fact that this was not a "friendly lore discussion" the OP was saying he wants dragons added and you all jumped down his throat with "lore this lore that"

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Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Le sigh........ Can we just start breaking legs when ever players ask for Dragons now ????

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Alec508 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

[snip]

I think your missing the fact that this was not a "friendly lore discussion" the OP was saying he wants dragons added and you all jumped down his throat with "lore this lore that"

You do know half the players play not only ESO but TES in general for the lore right??? Not even half more like 60% to 80% of the TES community players for lore.

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hrothbern · December 2015

imredneckson wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

There are a few dragons still up and about though more than likely wont be making an appearance in ESO like Durnehviir still flying in the Soul Cairn, Vulthuryol in Black Reach, the two revered dragons that burst out of the frozen lake in the Dawnguard DLC, Paarthurnax still meditating, and that all that comes to mind at the moment. Still we don't know what other DLCs they'll add for all we know they may let us got to Akavir and fight dragons, we may go back in time to fight dragons during the dragon war we just don't know.

"Still we don't know what other DLCs they'll add for all we know they may let us got to Akavir and fight dragons, we may go back in time to fight dragons during the dragon war we just don't know"

Dragons! Yay! Yay!

Molag_Crow · December 2015

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Alec508 · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

[snip]

I think your missing the fact that this was not a "friendly lore discussion" the OP was saying he wants dragons added and you all jumped down his throat with "lore this lore that"

You do know half the players play not only ESO but TES in general for the lore right??? Not even half more like 60% to 80% of the TES community players for lore.

Completely not true. Maybe people on the forums . But not at all close . Try 30% . I have so many real life friends that have played morrowind , oblivion and skyrim and none know what lore even is. You are a minority. Which is okay I'm not hating on what people like but to say 80% of players care about lore is the silliest thing I've heard today.

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Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Alec508 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Although, this is the dragonbreak, all the dragons are dead or asleep at this time so there will be no dragons. This has been discussed multiple times before. Search the forums if you have questions like this in the future.

but wait I read in the forums earlier, that the lore is not complete about this and there still may be some dragons awake in this era

It's vague. Having a small number of dragons in hiding *might* work, either in Tamriel or a remote corner of Nirn or in some little plane of Oblivion. Generally speaking though, having lots of Dragons awake or having them out in full view would require a huge lore re-write. There is also the question of what the "Dragons" of Akavir might really mean.

[snip]

I think your missing the fact that this was not a "friendly lore discussion" the OP was saying he wants dragons added and you all jumped down his throat with "lore this lore that"

You do know half the players play not only ESO but TES in general for the lore right??? Not even half more like 60% to 80% of the TES community players for lore.

Completely not true. Maybe people on the forums . But not at all close . Try 30% . I have so many real life friends that have played morrowind , oblivion and skyrim and none know what lore even is. You are a minority. Which is okay I'm not hating on what people like but to say 80% of players care about lore is the silliest thing I've heard today.

yea 30% of the TES community is into the TES lore ssuurree that's why there's hundreds of hours of reading material about lore, hundreds of web sites for TES lore, hundreds of youtube videos about the lore and good bit of RP guilds in ESO to do lore RP.

Point being no dragons cause that hundreds and hundreds of lore stuff proves over and over again no dragons in the 2nd era.

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