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Get rid of templar class
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catalyst10e✭✭✭✭I'll say this, reading between the lines you have valid points, the presentation is just all wrong, and I get you're frustrated, but I'd really recommend calming down a bit and re-writing this. The things you mention like better passives, you should continue on with ideas to either fix the current passives or come up with new passives instead of just having the argument "buff them back" You also compare a lot to a sorc, the sorc and temp are very different classes, so their comparison isn't going to hold up very well. You saying you wish you had an Ultimate like mine equates to me saying I wish I had heals like yours. I was in Cyrodiil arena last night, and every Templar i saw required at least 2 people to take them down. (our group had 2 Templars helping a 3rd build theirs) It's a good class, that definitely needs some love, but it's not in a position to be left behind entirely.
No one heals like a Templar can. It's become the go to support class. Support class isnt going to be doing as much damage as a damage dealer class like sorc. Why not just build a sorc instead? o.0 it sounds like it'd be a better class fit for you."Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭I have two tenplars with every skyshard and high pvp ranks(well for console at least) but sorcs are deffs op right now it just annoys me they can hit that hard in cyro right now. Like i have a two templar group and we can defend keeps and wipe 20+ man groups but the other day we killed like 40 ppl in a keep and had a sorc left that just overloaded us and insta killed us through our s&b and stam we were hyped for that d tick. But even with 100 piints in hardy it still hits far to hard. I was considering making a stam and magic sorc to play because i think the stam would be fun with my 5 briar 5 tbs and maybe 2 agility or molag.0 -
Lore_lai✭✭✭✭✭I like how a thread meant to raise awareness of how badly the Templar needs a lift-up in certain areas, veers into a #nerfTemplar discussion.
No more nerfs pls.
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah we have that op Bol man the should nerf us more!!! I wanna make a 24 man temp group for pvp that just runs around exclusivley healing and not doing damage hahahah. And when we are in trouble we can drop 20 novas and use 4 barriers on rotation lolI like how a thread meant to raise awareness of how badly the Templar needs a lift-up in certain areas, veers into a #nerfTemplar discussion.
No more nerfs pls.
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catalyst10e✭✭✭✭I have two tenplars with every skyshard and high pvp ranks(well for console at least) but sorcs are deffs op right now it just annoys me they can hit that hard in cyro right now. Like i have a two templar group and we can defend keeps and wipe 20+ man groups but the other day we killed like 40 ppl in a keep and had a sorc left that just overloaded us and insta killed us through our s&b and stam we were hyped for that d tick. But even with 100 piints in hardy it still hits far to hard. I was considering making a stam and magic sorc to play because i think the stam would be fun with my 5 briar 5 tbs and maybe 2 agility or molag.
was this a small group with 2 templars, or just you and another templar? cuz if its the latter, thats pretty amazing to wipe out whole groups with the 2 of you. I would say that alone would be proof Templars are still good and worth playing."Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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Lore_lai✭✭✭✭✭
20 novas!! That would be awesome!
Yeah we have that op Bol man the should nerf us more!!! I wanna make a 24 man temp group for pvp that just runs around exclusivley healing and not doing damage hahahah. And when we are in trouble we can drop 20 novas and use 4 barriers on rotation lolI like how a thread meant to raise awareness of how badly the Templar needs a lift-up in certain areas, veers into a #nerfTemplar discussion.
No more nerfs pls.
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✭Edited by ZOS_KaeylaW on December 16, 2015 2:23PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
It was just us two templars. The key is to kill stuff quick and save repentance for 25% stamina and if you become over whelmed both drop novas and crush it. Opposite morphs synergise well and the jabbing is ok coz its kinda a AOE. But if you play smart LOS etc you can do that with any two man group id saycatalyst10e wrote: »I have two tenplars with every skyshard and high pvp ranks(well for console at least) but sorcs are deffs op right now it just annoys me they can hit that hard in cyro right now. Like i have a two templar group and we can defend keeps and wipe 20+ man groups but the other day we killed like 40 ppl in a keep and had a sorc left that just overloaded us and insta killed us through our s&b and stam we were hyped for that d tick. But even with 100 piints in hardy it still hits far to hard. I was considering making a stam and magic sorc to play because i think the stam would be fun with my 5 briar 5 tbs and maybe 2 agility or molag.
was this a small group with 2 templars, or just you and another templar? cuz if its the latter, thats pretty amazing to wipe out whole groups with the 2 of you. I would say that alone would be proof Templars are still good and worth playing.
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
20 novas!! That would be awesome!
Yeah we have that op Bol man the should nerf us more!!! I wanna make a 24 man temp group for pvp that just runs around exclusivley healing and not doing damage hahahah. And when we are in trouble we can drop 20 novas and use 4 barriers on rotation lolI like how a thread meant to raise awareness of how badly the Templar needs a lift-up in certain areas, veers into a #nerfTemplar discussion.
No more nerfs pls.
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I really do like this build imma try it out with 5 tbs 3 arch mage and 3 willpower. It Intrigues me.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »I know they do good damage bur they arent realky good in cyro unless you get magika det Their passives and ultis suck. And im tired of jabbing every thing
This is why I run mostly a Desto/Resto Dual Spec when im not messing around as a hybrid....i can heal if needed, and most of my damage comes from Destro Staff and Dawn's Wrath, I don't use hardy any Aedric Spear abilities at all except for Radiant Ward/Blazing Shield.
I think Radiant Ward is better for a ranged caster as its cheaper and gives you more defense/tankyness if your stuck in melee it buys you more time, Blazing Shield is better if your spear spamming and zerg diving.
Its possible to play a Templar without using Jabs
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219232/rinaldos-templar-sun-preist-1-7-2-1-pve-build?new=1
This is just one of many examples, its a bone to get you started.
Divine Cross is who inspired that build, and its 100% viable i assure you, Damage reduction really didn't change much for the build other then getting more Spell Damage really, however it requires good positioning and such to effective, its easier to do on my Sorc, but i have been playing my Sorc longer, and Sorc's have Daedric Mines to use as area denail to counter melee that also heal you and root and damage the enemy..that said though...a non-Jab's Templar is viable, its just a bit harder to play.
As long as you get enough spell damage and allocate your Champ points correctly, you can make it work...you won';t have Spell Damage numbers as high as a Sorc(Templar's don't have the passives really) but you do have skills like total Dark and good healing that complement your ranged damage which will better allow you to use terrain to your advantage instead of just Jabs, Jabs....being a Vamp with Mist Form probably makes this even better, or you could use Invis Pots with Major Expedition to run when things get too dicey....i think its fun, you should try it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt1tOSTN_XI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImtDvp6GNU
And hell yeah invis pits with major expidition is what i think every temp should run they are really handy with medicinal use. But no i am getting sick of being a vamp on xbox one. Alcasts oneshot build is running rampant right now and it makes vamp quite annoying!! Thanks for shining a light though!!
Glad i could help!
Just remember to shift most of your Champ points out of Thaumaturge and into Elemental Expert since your Destro Staff skills and Sun Fire all use Fire damage. Once you have 90 or so in Elemental Expert you can put 10 or so into Thaumaturge.
Not using Aedric Spears does free up somethings...Standing behind a group spamming Dark Flare is very nice as it heal debuffs everyone within 5 meters of the target with "Dark Flare Trauma" which reduces their healing received by 30% for 7.2 secs i think...
Dark Flare into Radiant Oppression will also finish guys off you normally wouldn't be able to kill as the heal debuff + the Empower bonus makes RD hit very hard, and if you land the Dark Flare prevents Vigor and such from outhealing your execute.
Dark Flare into Destro Heavy Fire Attack into Firey Reach into Radiant Opression is also a good combo to kill someone.
You will find the Destro Staff Templar Spec frees up somne skills you don't see many Templar's making heavy use of like Cross shows in those vids..He uses Total Dark, Dark Flare, Channell Focus, etc to great effect. It doesn't have the sustain DPS of Puncturing Sweeps build, but it does have other utility and a Fire staff can give you a hard CC to open up an opportunity to execute your opponent and Dark Flare is the bomb digity when you can use it, and it gives you a very nice Empower Buff.
PS: Don't discount Volcanic Rune, its very viable for this style as you can use it to Hard CC multiple people and it does fire damage and it gives you another Empowerment Buff via Might of the Guild, you cna also use it in some pretty creative ways.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak1 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
Ok for champ points you recommend ele expert 90 10 thaum and still same in elf born ? Or stack rest into staff expert?? And use the defile points like 10 you said. I always use total dark if you eclipse a sorcs atro it full heals you pretty much hahah. I am very keen to try this build tho hahah shame i just used most mats to make three new builds i need one more peice of tbs to try this tho it is 27 days away sadlyRinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
I really do like this build imma try it out with 5 tbs 3 arch mage and 3 willpower. It Intrigues me.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »I know they do good damage bur they arent realky good in cyro unless you get magika det Their passives and ultis suck. And im tired of jabbing every thing
This is why I run mostly a Desto/Resto Dual Spec when im not messing around as a hybrid....i can heal if needed, and most of my damage comes from Destro Staff and Dawn's Wrath, I don't use hardy any Aedric Spear abilities at all except for Radiant Ward/Blazing Shield.
I think Radiant Ward is better for a ranged caster as its cheaper and gives you more defense/tankyness if your stuck in melee it buys you more time, Blazing Shield is better if your spear spamming and zerg diving.
Its possible to play a Templar without using Jabs
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219232/rinaldos-templar-sun-preist-1-7-2-1-pve-build?new=1
This is just one of many examples, its a bone to get you started.
Divine Cross is who inspired that build, and its 100% viable i assure you, Damage reduction really didn't change much for the build other then getting more Spell Damage really, however it requires good positioning and such to effective, its easier to do on my Sorc, but i have been playing my Sorc longer, and Sorc's have Daedric Mines to use as area denail to counter melee that also heal you and root and damage the enemy..that said though...a non-Jab's Templar is viable, its just a bit harder to play.
As long as you get enough spell damage and allocate your Champ points correctly, you can make it work...you won';t have Spell Damage numbers as high as a Sorc(Templar's don't have the passives really) but you do have skills like total Dark and good healing that complement your ranged damage which will better allow you to use terrain to your advantage instead of just Jabs, Jabs....being a Vamp with Mist Form probably makes this even better, or you could use Invis Pots with Major Expedition to run when things get too dicey....i think its fun, you should try it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt1tOSTN_XIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImtDvp6GNU
And hell yeah invis pits with major expidition is what i think every temp should run they are really handy with medicinal use. But no i am getting sick of being a vamp on xbox one. Alcasts oneshot build is running rampant right now and it makes vamp quite annoying!! Thanks for shining a light though!!
Glad i could help!
Just remember to shift most of your Champ points out of Thaumaturge and into Elemental Expert since your Destro Staff skills and Sun Fire all use Fire damage. Once you have 90 or so in Elemental Expert you can put 10 or so into Thaumaturge.
Not using Aedric Spears does free up somethings...Standing behind a group spamming Dark Flare is very nice as it heal debuffs everyone within 5 meters of the target with "Dark Flare Trauma" which reduces their healing received by 30% for 7.2 secs i think...
Dark Flare into Radiant Oppression will also finish guys off you normally wouldn't be able to kill as the heal debuff + the Empower bonus makes RD hit very hard, and if you land the Dark Flare prevents Vigor and such from outhealing your execute.
Dark Flare into Destro Heavy Fire Attack into Firey Reach into Radiant Opression is also a good combo to kill someone.
You will find the Destro Staff Templar Spec frees up somne skills you don't see many Templar's making heavy use of like Cross shows in those vids..He uses Total Dark, Dark Flare, Channell Focus, etc to great effect. It doesn't have the sustain DPS of Puncturing Sweeps build, but it does have other utility and a Fire staff can give you a hard CC to open up an opportunity to execute your opponent and Dark Flare is the bomb digity when you can use it, and it gives you a very nice Empower Buff.
PS: Don't discount Volcanic Rune, its very viable for this style as you can use it to Hard CC multiple people and it does fire damage and it gives you another Empowerment Buff via Might of the Guild, you cna also use it in some pretty creative ways.
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If you can get 100 into Elemental Expert then do so.
10 in Thaum is a good start until you get Elemental Expert maxed, then you can start putting points into Thaum and Elfborn at a 1-1 ratio.
Crushing Shock/Force Pulse, Destructive Reach, and Impulse ar eused heavily in this spec so it makes sense to max their damage in Elemental Expert. Having 10 in Thaum and then however many you want to put into Elfborn helps your Radaint Execute and Dark Flare damage some. Once you get elemental Expert maxed out though, start putting points into Thaum, Staff Expert and Elfborn.
Once you get the 120 passive in the Apprentice Tree, probably be best to then focus on Thaum and Staff Expert in the blue tree. I find 10 points in Staff Expert a good place to start.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak0 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭After reading the thread i think you can change the title now to " i just needed some moral support to keep playing templar"
Have fun, you seem to be doing great!Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
No they run the game man and they still can get devs to fo ***. They just want their toons in easy mode lol
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Seems as if the TO has some issues with the class in PvP. All I can say for PvE, I love my magicka templar there and not just for heals. While I have to break my fingers with my magicka NB to weave properly and using the Spectral Asssassin function, I achieve the same dps and more much easier on my magicka templer.
To delete a class because of PvP issues seems somewhat exaggerated for me.Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
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✭We suck all of our abilities hit like a fairy and grant the enemy a powerful combat state our jesus beam is more like a tickle beam now our toppling charge doesnt seem to wanna work half the time. Some of our stam morphs are *** expensive our passives suck compared to every other class. Ohh and our ultis suck balls. Nova aoe capped and radial you have to be inside your enemy and rememberance lets you stand really still while enemys kill you. Since battke spirit passive. But please nerf us again because we still have breath of life and its not fair when 20 of us run in agroup. Why cant you just add these changes on to battle spirit so we are only *** in pvp cmon let us have our real jesus beam in pve stop lying in the tool tip. If a sorcs light attack over load can do as much damage as the old jesus beam why not nerf that?? Ohh wait we have BoL. Phew. Next time im in a fight ill look at the flick in mah wrist till i die.
This is a L2P issue, my main is a templar and I absolutely love it. Sure, toppling charge is a total pain in the ass and this abilities needs urgent fixing, but apart from that Templar's can absolutely rock, I have no problems 1 vs 5 or 6 in pvp which is about as good as any class these daysNA PC | AD
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭
I dont need to l2p a temp i go alright i am just pointing out some flaws with it that are totally not on par to other classes i love the templar too and have tried lots of builds ti make it work. I have made glass cannons and iron teddys it is by far the most versatile class. But its passives and a few things could use a changeWe suck all of our abilities hit like a fairy and grant the enemy a powerful combat state our jesus beam is more like a tickle beam now our toppling charge doesnt seem to wanna work half the time. Some of our stam morphs are *** expensive our passives suck compared to every other class. Ohh and our ultis suck balls. Nova aoe capped and radial you have to be inside your enemy and rememberance lets you stand really still while enemys kill you. Since battke spirit passive. But please nerf us again because we still have breath of life and its not fair when 20 of us run in agroup. Why cant you just add these changes on to battle spirit so we are only *** in pvp cmon let us have our real jesus beam in pve stop lying in the tool tip. If a sorcs light attack over load can do as much damage as the old jesus beam why not nerf that?? Ohh wait we have BoL. Phew. Next time im in a fight ill look at the flick in mah wrist till i die.
This is a L2P issue, my main is a templar and I absolutely love it. Sure, toppling charge is a total pain in the ass and this abilities needs urgent fixing, but apart from that Templar's can absolutely rock, I have no problems 1 vs 5 or 6 in pvp which is about as good as any class these days
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Essiaga✭✭✭✭http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread#latest
Not sure you seen this thread but some info from ZOS on bugs and possible adjustments. No specifics but it might make you feel better to read over them and maybe make some suggestions of your own.1 -
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I will calmly compile a list on things that arent already mentionedhttp://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread#latest
Not sure you seen this thread but some info from ZOS on bugs and possible adjustments. No specifics but it might make you feel better to read over them and maybe make some suggestions of your own.
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Bunneh✭✭✭Purgetheworld wrote: »You can always just, y‘know, quit playing.
I really wish you would."Shut it, you fop" - Valorone, Fighters' Guild, Coldharbour to Darien Gautier
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✭✭✭✭✭Leave us sorcs outta this... our overload is one of three attacks. Sure we get an extra bar... cuz we got like 3 attacks, overload, frags, and curse... um... sure there is wrath, lmao wrath... oh wrath why is it that when u proc u do no more than frag or overload?
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Just so happens to be the a powerful bust build due to power creepWaffennacht wrote: »Leave us sorcs outta this... our overload is one of three attacks. Sure we get an extra bar... cuz we got like 3 attacks, overload, frags, and curse... um... sure there is wrath, lmao wrath... oh wrath why is it that when u proc u do no more than frag or overload?
So um... yeah
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✭✭✭✭2 templars with sword and board died to someone using overload and use it as a premise for changing anything - oh god.1 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭2 templars with sword and board died to someone using overload and use it as a premise for changing anything - oh god.
Yeah its pretty much a one shot??? Jesus beam use to almost be one shot like overload. I call give us back the beam or nerf overload. You all have the same build anyway. The should just make crystal frags morph instant so you have spammable0 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭Ohh and are there any templars at duels?? No they got no burst like a sheild spam sorc or a cloak it off NB0
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✭✭✭✭Yes there are templars at duels - blabafat has beat plenty of people on a magicka templar. Magicka jabs is hitting through roll while the stamina version got screwed and doesnt even connect properly.
To come back to overload, its one of the easiest skills to deal with. If you died to it, youre doing the pvps wrong. If 2 templars died to it, and had S+B, they are doing things really wrong. When I see a sorc go into overload, I know things just got really easy for me, because their ability to weave attacks goes out the window. Overload is one of the clunkiest skills to use in the game and a death trap for most sorcs to attempt using in PvP.
Jesus beam 'wasnt almost a one shot'. It was doing significant damage as an execute outside of execute range, started executing at 50%, went through roll dodge, and didnt abide by LoS as all skills do. This skill actually had a lot of issues with it. I dont think you have a good grasp on balance to really weigh these things out - sorry.2 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭Ok so ultrawhiteout and sinfulfps can do it so fast you dont have time to react. Its powerful. We were mag temps with snb and there were alot of blues we thought we had them all but we got streaked over and insta killed. I dont know how it is in pc land but cc on triggers suck and the 400ms ping to USA and what ever goes on with servers doesnt help. But it just straight up shouldnt hit that hard. Its not a l2p issue like everyone just blabs about it straight up should not do that much damage in pvp its alnost like camo hunter right now.Edited by Destyran on December 17, 2015 7:16PM0
