Molten Armaments

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

? Cause every other execute has a high wind up time? Um...no...Molten only gives you 150% anyways not 300% like other executes, and it is only applied on the weapon attack anyways, so a medium attack will get a boost but its not going to be huge like a fully charged attack. The really devastating heavy attacks that people whine about are almost all from stealth and getting a sneak attack buff. The bullseye builds are designed for opening from stealth not for just normal combat, not saying you can't work with them just that the big bonus' that one shot people come from stealth attacks.

Try going toe to toe with a good player and winding up fully charged heavy attacks you will rarely land one and without stealth bonus' you aren't even close to 1 shotting them. In the 2.5-3s it takes for you to wind up they will have hit you with 3-4 abilities, dodge roll and another 3-4. It is a niche build that works only in certain circumstances, if you run it you learn to maneuver yourself into those situations better but it is by no means some OP god of PVP.

Just like head shots with sniper rifles in other games you sacrifice a lot for the opportunity to one shot someone and some people have put a lot of effort into being good at it but being one shot occasionally is not going to kill pvp. As long as other players know they can come and out strategize you and kill you then its acceptable, having invincible caster/tank builds that both put out strong burst and are untouchable health wise is an actual problem that makes players not want to play.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Highest DPS build for DK in game Stamina wise is a Heavy attack build with Igneous weapons atm.

Having switched to console I can't see the numbers anymore, I find that interesting though. Currently on my DK I keep mostly my same build from pvp to pve I just swap out utility for dots. I apply Poison Injection, Unstable Flame, Arrow Barrage, then Molten Weapons (Heavy Attack+Silver Shards)x2, then reapply dots. I adjust that based on fight and circumstances but that's approximately what I try an do.

ryanborror · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

Highest DPS build for DK in game Stamina wise is a Heavy attack build with Igneous weapons atm.

Is that heavy attack Weaving with rapid strikes or flying blade? For execute is it better to straight executioner, weave with it or continue previous rotation with dual wield having passive against low health targets?

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

So in other words, be a ganker.

If i wanted to do that i would of made a nb that does it better.

I'd love a execute that actually useful mid fight and not at the beginning only.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

So in other words, be a ganker.

If i wanted to do that i would of made a nb that does it better.

I'd love a execute that actually useful mid fight and not at the beginning only.

No not saying be a gank what I am saying is Molten is not as useless as players are thinking. Cause believe it or not you can use and land heavy attacks on players in pvp. Yes molten armaments needs buffed up a bit but does it fail as a execute no.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

So in other words, be a ganker.

If i wanted to do that i would of made a nb that does it better.

I'd love a execute that actually useful mid fight and not at the beginning only.

No not saying be a gank what I am saying is Molten is not as useless as players are thinking. Cause believe it or not you can use and land heavy attacks on players in pvp. Yes molten armaments needs buffed up a bit but does it fail as a execute no.

It completely fails as an execute it's being used as a dmg buff not a execute, yeah you can weave heavy attacks in but then someone is in execute range it fails.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

So in other words, be a ganker.

If i wanted to do that i would of made a nb that does it better.

I'd love a execute that actually useful mid fight and not at the beginning only.

No not saying be a gank what I am saying is Molten is not as useless as players are thinking. Cause believe it or not you can use and land heavy attacks on players in pvp. Yes molten armaments needs buffed up a bit but does it fail as a execute no.

It completely fails as an execute it's being used as a dmg buff not a execute, yeah you can weave heavy attacks in but then someone is in execute range it fails.

Then have ZOS bump up the bonus damage to 100% and the execute damage to 200% and a X% to inflict a extra X amount of damage as fire damage.

Alcast · December 2015

ryanborror wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

Highest DPS build for DK in game Stamina wise is a Heavy attack build with Igneous weapons atm.

Is that heavy attack Weaving with rapid strikes or flying blade? For execute is it better to straight executioner, weave with it or continue previous rotation with dual wield having passive against low health targets?

With rapid strikes + rending slahses+unstable flame but you NEED Maelstrom Daggers. Igneous Weapons you need, it will be up constantly in fight for 60s+ if you do good weaving and you do not need to reapply it.

Ye Molten is for ganking

tangy.citrus · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

Highest DPS build for DK in game Stamina wise is a Heavy attack build with Igneous weapons atm.

Is that heavy attack Weaving with rapid strikes or flying blade? For execute is it better to straight executioner, weave with it or continue previous rotation with dual wield having passive against low health targets?

With rapid strikes + rending slahses+unstable flame but you NEED Maelstrom Daggers. Igneous Weapons you need, it will be up constantly in fight for 60s+ if you do good weaving and you do not need to reapply it.

Ye Molten is for ganking

What are you pulling in minute long fights with igneous? And would you be able to post/mail me any results you have with the igneous? Also, why igneous and not molten armaments? And will this work on all bosses, or just longer bosses like serpent? Im becoming a firm believer that Stam DK will be the highest DPS in game, especially after cp cap rises, it will get a bigger increase compared to the other classes.

Also, would the OP please post dps parses with the molten armament execution? In minute long fights too, single target. 80k is a good number, but myself and others are wondering if it would be worth while to use on anything besides serpent and maybe manti/the warrior.

Xvorg · December 2015

ryanborror wrote: »

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

No, never

As I said once it is better to give a Major Brutality in one morph and a Major sorcery in the other. It will feel at least useful.