Molten Armaments

wrathofrraath · December 2015

Maelstrom Inferno + Blockade + Kena + Engulfing Flames at execute phase.

Highest I've hit was 86.5k heavy attack.

Yup DKs can execute.

MaxwellC · December 2015

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

willymchilybily · December 2015

patiently awaiting the screen shot

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

I'm a stam Dk and Molten Armaments deals more damage as a execute than the other executes I tried and I did try 2H execute. (No raw numbers sorry). Cause 150% more damage plus gold level GS with another 12% power bonus from the Atronach expert skills increasing light/heavy attack damage that's a 167% (Skill itself, expert skill, GS passive) damage bonus vs -50% enemies. Plus factor in rallies 20% weapon damage boost and half the time be NPC or player as soon as they hit that 50% pop a molten do a heavy and take them out. That's half there health gone.

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

CP5 · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

I'm a stam Dk and Molten Armaments deals more damage as a execute than the other executes I tried and I did try 2H execute. (No raw numbers sorry). Cause 150% more damage plus gold level GS with another 12% power bonus from the Atronach expert skills increasing light/heavy attack damage that's a 167% (Skill itself, expert skill, GS passive) damage bonus vs -50% enemies. Plus factor in rallies 20% weapon damage boost and half the time be NPC or player as soon as they hit that 50% pop a molten do a heavy and take them out. That's half there health gone.

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

Unless in pvp where most classes render dots useless. But good points, like how a good number of dk's still say "ZOS needs to give us an execute" without realizing they have one.

Kutsuu · December 2015

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 · December 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

I two-shotted someone in PvP the other day with a flame staff + molten armaments

love that skill

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

Exactly an execute is mean't to be a fast finisher, taking the time to cast molten and then charging a heavy...

the enemy will be full hp by then.

Kutsuu · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

Exactly an execute is mean't to be a fast finisher, taking the time to cast molten and then charging a heavy...

the enemy will be full hp by then.

Yeah it would suck to only hit them for 12k because they aren't below 50% Hp anymore

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

Exactly an execute is mean't to be a fast finisher, taking the time to cast molten and then charging a heavy...

the enemy will be full hp by then.

Yeah it would suck to only hit them for 12k because they aren't below 50% Hp anymore

It's not instant, the enemy will likely cc you, dodge it, block it etc....

Xvorg · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

I'm a stam Dk and Molten Armaments deals more damage as a execute than the other executes I tried and I did try 2H execute. (No raw numbers sorry). Cause 150% more damage plus gold level GS with another 12% power bonus from the Atronach expert skills increasing light/heavy attack damage that's a 167% (Skill itself, expert skill, GS passive) damage bonus vs -50% enemies. Plus factor in rallies 20% weapon damage boost and half the time be NPC or player as soon as they hit that 50% pop a molten do a heavy and take them out. That's half there health gone.

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

My record in PVE were 21 K with a VR8, with a full elegance set (VR7), 4 pieces of soulshine (VR7) and 2 torugs (VR7)

It is not mediocre, It is just that in PVP is not worth.

I think the combo Corrosive armor + MA + Heavy attack and poison injection can do even more dmg (and even more from stealth)

Tankqull · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

executioner+fully charged heavy attack woven into it
is as redicoules.

wrathofrraath · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

10k ?

how about 84k

Ffastyl · December 2015

I chose Igneous Weapons for the sustainable damage, but now I want to try Molten Armaments!

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

Igneous Weapons can theoretically last forever, with the average heavy attack taking 2 seconds to execute and recover from. It is the sustain option and one I see great use in. I risk getting rudely defensive of such a favorited skill that is constantly underestimated so I will stop with a curt "No."

Xvorg · December 2015

wrathofrraath wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

10k ?

how about 84k

a couple of question:

1- Was it from stealth?
2- Was with a melee or ranged weapon?
3- Magicka or stamina build?
4- Engulfing flames dmg increase applied?
5- Empowerer buff?
6- Major Sorcery/Brutality?
7- PvP or PVE?
8- Any of these sets (Sun Silks, Elegance, sargent's mail, archer's mind, way of air, infallible mage, WotMK, Molag Kena)?

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Ffastyl wrote: »

I chose Igneous Weapons for the sustainable damage, but now I want to try Molten Armaments!

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

Igneous Weapons can theoretically last forever, with the average heavy attack taking 2 seconds to execute and recover from. It is the sustain option and one I see great use in. I risk getting rudely defensive of such a favorited skill that is constantly underestimated so I will stop with a curt "No."

Sp pretty much that would allow for a semipermeable 50% boost to heavy attacks. That's actually alot better than a powerful DOT. Cause with all the stuff player do do gain a giant bonus to damage to begin with combined with that a player doesn't need to spam skills just 1 or 2 heavy attacks and there dead. Genius

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

lol ok try that as a Stam DK. As far as I know (fellow DK) engulfing flames DoT or damage doesn't count towards molten armaments as its heavy attack only. I doubt you hit anything over 10k by its self unless you got some proof showing your heavy attack do so.

Nevertheless it's a completely mediocre execute that can easily be avoided unlike the ones from the other classes.

I'm a stam Dk and Molten Armaments deals more damage as a execute than the other executes I tried and I did try 2H execute. (No raw numbers sorry). Cause 150% more damage plus gold level GS with another 12% power bonus from the Atronach expert skills increasing light/heavy attack damage that's a 167% (Skill itself, expert skill, GS passive) damage bonus vs -50% enemies. Plus factor in rallies 20% weapon damage boost and half the time be NPC or player as soon as they hit that 50% pop a molten do a heavy and take them out. That's half there health gone.

Molten Armaments not a mediocre execute just have to know how to use it. How ever I wouldn't object to a change or 2 such as a increase duration from 9 seconds to say 15 or 20 and it's morph that increases duration per heavy attack to say each heavy attack has a 50% chance of inflicting burning damage that deals "X" amount of flame damage over 5 seconds. So that way the choices be executioner or powerful DOT attack like unstable flames or burning breath. Stacking those 3 will indefinably be a powerful DOT causing the world to burn.

Unless in pvp where most classes render dots useless. But good points, like how a good number of dk's still say "ZOS needs to give us an execute" without realizing they have one.

Le sigh true true DOTs are "lacking" to put it nicely in PvP. Be purge cloak or just healing through them. Maybe change purge and cloak and all those to be like Momentum you know rallies other morph to only negate 1 or 2 negative effects. IDK just something to give DOTs a little boost in PvP. Not alot cause then they be OP and every one be running DOTs and I'm sure players can imagine what that be like.

MaxwellC · December 2015

That's from how much damage your heavy attacks were doing in total not one fell swoop.
Molten armaments is decent in PvE I will say that but in PvP it isn't good whatsoever, no matter how you try to make an excuse for that sorry of an excuse "executioner".

First molten armaments Procs randomly and doesn't proc consistently like it should and this bug has been acknowledged by ZoS for quite sometime and even with tweaks it's still broken.

Second in PvP this "execute" is a laughing stock, you can dodge roll, cloak, block or thanks to lag your target can magically be out of range.

Third The cost is absolute horrible especially for the amount of time it's active and if you're a Stam DK well good luck sustaining that.

ZoS changed the skill because it was weak and for PvP it's still weak. PvE I will say when it procs it's awesome but the cost makes it difficult to use especially when the time is basically 10 seconds.

IMO they need to make it where if you heavy attack a opponent that can be rooted or CC'd then it should fossilize the opponent for 10 seconds and root them for 4. Heavy attacks (melee) should have extended range when in use.

CP5 · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

That's from how much damage your heavy attacks were doing in total not one fell swoop.
Molten armaments is decent in PvE I will say that but in PvP it isn't good whatsoever, no matter how you try to make an excuse for that sorry of an excuse "executioner".

First molten armaments Procs randomly and doesn't proc consistently like it should and this bug has been acknowledged by ZoS for quite sometime and even with tweaks it's still broken.

Second in PvP this "execute" is a laughing stock, you can dodge roll, cloak, block or thanks to lag your target can magically be out of range.

Third The cost is absolute horrible especially for the amount of time it's active and if you're a Stam DK well good luck sustaining that.

ZoS changed the skill because it was weak and for PvP it's still weak. PvE I will say when it procs it's awesome but the cost makes it difficult to use especially when the time is basically 10 seconds.

IMO they need to make it where if you heavy attack a opponent that can be rooted or CC'd then it should fossilize the opponent for 10 seconds and root them for 4. Heavy attacks (melee) should have extended range when in use.

That addon has several columns, the first after the name of the skill is total damage. The last is the highest damage the skill did at one time.

Joy_Division · December 2015

The main problem with this ability is that it is completely broken when it comes to channeled attacks - it does not modify them at all.

Like every other dragonknight, I tried using this skill in PvP with an inferno staff, but at least 80% of the time, once you charged up that heavy attack - which takes about 3 seconds- your target either 1) was dead 2) moved out of ranged, or 3) healed themselves up above the execute threshold. It's most effective use was randomly firing this into groups of players hoping the one you hit just happened to be hit by someone else and you'd get the execute proc.

Even an inexperienced player could see the obvious attack animation and big fiery ball coming there way and dodge it (to say nothing of more experienced players reflecting it back at you). Ideally animation cancelling a destructive touch would stun the target and damage them and make it so they could not dodge the heavy, but destructive touch doesn't work against damage shields so even that avenue didn't work.

Just more trouble than its worth...especially since to use the ability you got to play a terrible pvp spec with no mobility and a crap heal.

By far, the best use of this skill is from a bow, where you can "load" a heavy attack up without firing it and the attack is not an obvious ball of fire that screams "move out of the way." @Alcast has had success using the skill in this manner.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Very useful execute in PVE. Not incredibly useful in PVP due to the time it takes to wind up a heavy attack, but still very strong ability even not in execute range. I doubt he's lying about the damage number. People hit 20k heavy attacks in PVP against players that are at 100% health (not even in execute range), and that's with battle spirit debuff going.

Exactly an execute is mean't to be a fast finisher, taking the time to cast molten and then charging a heavy...

the enemy will be full hp by then.

This is where the DK superior CC comes into play. I do think molten armaments should last longer, in order to take into account all that needs to happen to actually make use of it.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

I think the combo Corrosive armor + MA + Heavy attack and poison injection can do even more dmg (and even more from stealth)

I was never able to get a damage bonus from Corrosive armor, I thought the same thing though, used it for awhile but the difference was negligible so I ended up dropping it.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

The main problem with Molten Weapons and its morphs for pvp is the required wind up time, I had no problem putting out strong sustain when it did not require a fully charged heavy attack. Now that it does its really quite the niche to try and set up for outside of opening burst. If you can stay relatively non engaged in a big fight you can use it to high effect for finishing random opponents. I actually feel its kind of lack luster for PVE, I've seen a few big hits but often the target dies while I'm winding up.

ryanborror · December 2015

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Execute this execute that. Yes molten needs a wind up time to deal that execute damage but that's only half it's power the other half is a increases to heavy attacks power by 50% which stacks with the skills in the atronach tree. So you don;t even need to be in execute range cause here's a idea and feel free to try it.

Stack up weapon damage with a bow you know dawnbreaker, enchantments, medium armor, and so on. Go stealth use rally to gain even more weapon damage then molten armaments that's a 50% boost to heavy attacks right there and pour some CP into bow expert to increases that damage even more. Fine some one and use a heavy stealth attack.

Stealth attacks already deal massive bonus damage so stacked with buffs, crits, heavy attack buffs and see how much you take off.

Toast_STS · December 2015

@Forestd16b14_ESO

According to this wiki heavy attack damage scales off stamina. Do you know if weapon damage affects it too? I'm on Xbox and cannot really test it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

@Forestd16b14_ESO

According to this wiki heavy attack damage scales off stamina. Do you know if weapon damage affects it too? I'm on Xbox and cannot really test it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

No idea wanna ask a math guy about that cause they tend to play mage type I tend to play warrior type whic means I don't do math I just hit stuff till they die.

Joy_Division · December 2015

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

@Forestd16b14_ESO

According to this wiki heavy attack damage scales off stamina. Do you know if weapon damage affects it too? I'm on Xbox and cannot really test it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

It used to. That site has not been updated in forever.

The type of weapon use use determines what attribute heavy attack scales off. U use a staff, it's magic. You use a traditional weapon, it's stamina.

wrathofrraath · December 2015

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

@Forestd16b14_ESO

According to this wiki heavy attack damage scales off stamina. Do you know if weapon damage affects it too? I'm on Xbox and cannot really test it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

I know for destro staves 40 magicka = 1 spell damage and abilities its 10 magicka = 1 spell damage so I have banner on my main bar and shooting star on my "execute" bar. Abilities all scale differently though.

This is from a magicka DK PVE perspective.

Alcast · December 2015

ryanborror wrote: »

Magicka dk this might be useful but still probably a dps loss on long boss fights because of full wind up. For stam dk does it beat out executioner with time spent on wind up and making sure buff is up? I'd imagine executioner might come out on top dps wise. This skill needs changed. I still think molten weapons is only really useful for pvp ganking.

Highest DPS build for DK in game Stamina wise is a Heavy attack build with Igneous weapons atm.

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

@Forestd16b14_ESO

According to this wiki heavy attack damage scales off stamina. Do you know if weapon damage affects it too? I'm on Xbox and cannot really test it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

Yes, heavy attack dmg of DW/2H/S&B scales off weapon dmg and max stamina (restore stamina on hit).

Destro and resto staff attacks scale off spell dmg and max magicka (restore magicka on hit).