Nerf Wrecking Blow

Turtl3Lov3 · December 2015

Not trying to start a fight here or anything.

Don't mind me.
Nothing going on here.
Oh look I dropped a link.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/235217/lava-whip#latest
*cough* nerf WB and you'd almost have to give stam sorcs and DKs something unless the goal is to be puncture spammers.

oibam · December 2015

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Don't need to say anything else.

Ahahhahaaa!

Brrrofski · December 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

nerf it and you destroy stam DKs and stam Sorc.

Stam sorc here, you are wrong. Thx bb. DK even has the best physical ult, so if I don`t need it, they don`t need it either.

The so called "need" for WB is just lazyness and anyone who has to rely on it is just plain bad, sorry to say. 99% of the few stam sorcs or many dks you see are fengrush or xeloki copies, too lazy and poor to ever come up with own approaches.

WB is a cheap skill since it cant be interrupted. It was nice when it took skill to use it.

What do you use instead then?

Nothing out of dual wield can compare to it.

Honestly, people do that 6 poke thing to me from dual wield and it tickles at best.

I have my stam Sorc to level 30, so would be interested to know what you use instead of WB?

Maulkin · December 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

What do you use instead then?

would be interested to know what you use instead of WB?

This maybe going out on a limb here but... S&B bash cancelling? Like most DKs and many NBs already do?

Lore_lai · December 2015

I think my main pet peeve with it is the range.

When a melee skill has a bigger range than an Ultimate (even though my spear is *visually* far longer than your sword - last time I checked, you weren't carrying around a 7 m long sword) then maybe something is not that right?...

Wrecking blow has 7 m range, Radial Sweep and morphs (Templar ulti) has 5 m range.

PURPLE245 · December 2015

i have been getting hit for like 12k-16k wbs but it dont have a problem with the skill easy to avoid i just dont think people should be able to stack such high wep dmg without having to worry about regen

Wollust · December 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

nerf it and you destroy stam DKs and stam Sorc.

Stam sorc here, you are wrong. Thx bb. DK even has the best physical ult, so if I don`t need it, they don`t need it either.

The so called "need" for WB is just lazyness and anyone who has to rely on it is just plain bad, sorry to say. 99% of the few stam sorcs or many dks you see are fengrush or xeloki copies, too lazy and poor to ever come up with own approaches.

WB is a cheap skill since it cant be interrupted. It was nice when it took skill to use it.

What do you use instead then?

Nothing out of dual wield can compare to it.

Honestly, people do that 6 poke thing to me from dual wield and it tickles at best.

I have my stam Sorc to level 30, so would be interested to know what you use instead of WB?

Light attack - ransack or heroic slash - bash > wrecking blow

But WB is pure fun hehe.

Brrrofski · December 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

What do you use instead then?

would be interested to know what you use instead of WB?

This maybe going out on a limb here but... S&B bash cancelling? Like most DKs and many NBs already do?

Yeh, seen a bit of it mentioned on pc videos/streams.

I'm on xbox, doesn't seem to have caught on here yet.

Brrrofski · December 2015

Lore_lai wrote: »

I think my main pet peeve with it is the range.

When a melee skill has a bigger range than an Ultimate (even though my spear is *visually* far longer than your sword - last time I checked, you weren't carrying around a 7 m long sword) then maybe something is not that right?...

Wrecking blow has 7 m range, Radial Sweep and morphs (Templar ulti) has 5 m range.

Lol, templar ultimates are an issue by themselves.

No other class gets shafted as bad as Templars for ultimates.

Honestly, only nova is the tiniest bit useful and it's situational. I've used that ultimate heal about 3 times in dungeons. Bol is just as good letting me use my ultimate to add dps

Talcyndl · December 2015

SmokeGod wrote: »

It's one of the easiest moves to counter lmao. Block it, circle them, or you can literally walk right though them to cancel it.

This.

Not to mention it is even harder to land when it's laggy - ie, every night in Azuras.

hammayolettuce · December 2015

Talcyndl wrote: »

SmokeGod wrote: »

It's one of the easiest moves to counter lmao. Block it, circle them, or you can literally walk right though them to cancel it.

This.

Not to mention it is even harder to land when it's laggy - ie, every night in Azuras.

Anything with a cast time suffers in lag. The only time WB is a problem for me is when there is multiple enemies attacking me and I'm talking about more than 2 or 3.

I always focus the WB spammer first since they are defenseless while trying to WB.

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RinaldoGandolphi · December 2015

Please understand, my statement has nothing to do with nerfing Wrecking Blow,

Allowing Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush to Empower themselves you are PROMOTING one button click spamming game play.

By changing these abilities so it Empowers your next attack "That is not Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush" this encourages people to cast Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush and then use a different skill instead of just pushing the same button again...I would think this would be better then just pushing one button over and over.

Regardless, anymore i just run around on my Templar with Maw of the Infernal or Bloodspawn and just mess around for the lolz, the state of this game right now, I can't even bring myself to even play it without drinking, Cyrodiil is impossible to have fun in unless your atleast 7 drinks in.

PainfulFAFA · December 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

nerf it and you destroy stam DKs and stam Sorc.

Stam sorc here, you are wrong. Thx bb. DK even has the best physical ult, so if I don`t need it, they don`t need it either.

The so called "need" for WB is just lazyness and anyone who has to rely on it is just plain bad, sorry to say. 99% of the few stam sorcs or many dks you see are fengrush or xeloki copies, too lazy and poor to ever come up with own approaches.

WB is a cheap skill since it cant be interrupted. It was nice when it took skill to use it.

stam sorc here
i guarantee you any other stamina build you theorycraft for sorc is easily trumped with a 2H because of the burst dmg it offers. I've tried every combination for stam sorc out there and nothing can compare to the burst that 2H gives.
Thats what the meta is... burst dmg.

Your dot build wont do anything to me
Your stambow wont do anything to me
Your sorc wannabe Xeloki build wont do anything against me

And I'm getting tired of the same arguments from people about build copies. These days anybody can just make a build video of what everybody is using and all of a sudden they're the inventors of that build.

I suppose every stam sorc is a fengrush copy
every magicka sorc is a bolterity
every stam nb is a sypher
every magicka nb is a sunshine
every magicka templar is a blabafat
every stam templar is a essa
every stam dk is a xeloki
every magicka dk is a.... oh wait.. lets just wait for somebody to upload a build video and all of a sudden they're the unique snowflake inventor of it.

What?

I don`t even know most of the names you listed. I mean what I said, almost any stam dk i meet is trying to do what alcast does, just worse usually.

The 1-2 stam sorcs i met, well I haven`t met a good one which wasn`t my faction... the bads all play generic 2h + dw (bound, boundless, elude, wb, exec, crit charge, streak, surge (or rally), spin2win).

If you need wb, good for you. Keep it up, monkey.

If you're wondering or don't know why the majority of stam sorcs run that rotation that just makes me think you don't play a stam sorc at all or played one briefly.

Stam sorc is so broken theres no other good viable pvp build other than 2H/DW.

That "generic playstyle" bs can be applied to EVERY CLASS.

Oh look a magicka sorc doing the same entropy>shields>curse>frag>mage wrath.

A Stam NB doing ambush>fear>SA>soul harvest>execute> cloak

A magicka templar jabspamming,proxi det,rune focus, jesus beam,entropy,meteor
A stam templar evil hunter, focus charge, jabspam, dawnbreaker

I could go on and on what each class will do in pvp because thats what it has been downsized to.
Casual land where you maximize damage so you can buff up and use a dps rotation that isnt too hard to figure out and turns out everyone uses

Lore_lai · December 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

I think my main pet peeve with it is the range.

When a melee skill has a bigger range than an Ultimate (even though my spear is *visually* far longer than your sword - last time I checked, you weren't carrying around a 7 m long sword) then maybe something is not that right?...

Wrecking blow has 7 m range, Radial Sweep and morphs (Templar ulti) has 5 m range.

Lol, templar ultimates are an issue by themselves.

No other class gets shafted as bad as Templars for ultimates.

Honestly, only nova is the tiniest bit useful and it's situational. I've used that ultimate heal about 3 times in dungeons. Bol is just as good letting me use my ultimate to add dps

Only one I use in PvP (heck, and PvE too) is nova too, and yes, it's useful only in certain situations.
I still think WB has too big of a range though.
I guess the comparison was there for flavor :P

hammayolettuce · December 2015

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Please understand, my statement has nothing to do with nerfing Wrecking Blow,

Allowing Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush to Empower themselves you are PROMOTING one button click spamming game play.

By changing these abilities so it Empowers your next attack "That is not Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush" this encourages people to cast Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Ambush and then use a different skill instead of just pushing the same button again...I would think this would be better then just pushing one button over and over.

Regardless, anymore i just run around on my Templar with Maw of the Infernal or Bloodspawn and just mess around for the lolz, the state of this game right now, I can't even bring myself to even play it without drinking, Cyrodiil is impossible to have fun in unless your atleast 7 drinks in.

It's no different than jabs spam, or crushing shock spam by sorc, surprise/conceal spam, or what used to be a good skill whip.

The skills you listed giving the empower buff, the only one I see an issue with is Ambush as its a gap closer with zero cast time and no real range restriction. Dark flare and wrecking blow both have decent cast times and can be avoided in various ways through los, rolling, blocking, dodge skills, etc.

Nothing wrong with WB and never has been. The issue comes with there being no physical resist passive in the CP tree. Put in a physical resist passive and you'll notice a decent decrease from these big numbers you see with WB and Surprise Attack spam.

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frozywozy · December 2015

PURPLE245 wrote: »

i have been getting hit for like 12k-16k wbs but it dont have a problem with the skill easy to avoid i just dont think people should be able to stack such high wep dmg without having to worry about regen

Time to put some points in Resistant.

Tankqull · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Wrecking blow is fine, but there is something extremely bugged with CC immunity. I beat a sorc yesterday in a duel. That's right, you heard me. But I only won because WB knocked him over twice in 2 seconds.
The odd thing is, it happens randomly. Sometimes the immunity works perfectly and other times it just won't.

breaking free does not create the immunity immideatly but with a slight delay and this delay(rampup time of the animation i guess) and this delay can be further increased by latency - now laying on the ground while having the cc immunity indicator circling around you, you on top of that double cc can´t break free any more as you allways recieving the "you can not do this now!" message as the given not working immunity blocks further breaking free attemps.

and that only one of the many bad codings involving cc in this game

Joy_Division · December 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

All DoTs work on shields and blocking targets except Bleeds from what I've seen. Why? I have no idea, but they don't work on undead either.

But I must say currently bleeds are super strong in PvP against those that can't purge easily. Especially if you have a Maelstrom Axe with Crit Rush/Stampede. Those ticks can get pretty monstrous.

Any skill that has a DoT as a secondary effect (like Destructive touch) wont have the DoT work if the target is shielded or blocking.

People are also not considering the "resilient" passive which heals you whenever you suffer a critical hit. Passive is worthless if you eat a 8K surprise attack, but it really undermines fast-ticking, low-damage DoTs as every other tick winds up healing your opponent.

It's a burst meta with easy access to healing. I don't even need to cleanse/purge your DoTs because every single spec in Cyrodiil can outheal them without straining their resources. On top of this some DoTs fail to conform to the traditional standard of cheap cost (for ex, wall of elements) and all of them except Searing Strike fail to do a noticable amount more total damage than an instant cast DPS skill.

olsborg · December 2015

Its acting wierd, you can be long range from your wrecking blower and in a wierd angle, but it will still connect with you, its stupid.

Spacemonkey · December 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

I think my main pet peeve with it is the range.

When a melee skill has a bigger range than an Ultimate (even though my spear is *visually* far longer than your sword - last time I checked, you weren't carrying around a 7 m long sword) then maybe something is not that right?...

Wrecking blow has 7 m range, Radial Sweep and morphs (Templar ulti) has 5 m range.

Lol, templar ultimates are an issue by themselves.

No other class gets shafted as bad as Templars for ultimates.

Honestly, only nova is the tiniest bit useful and it's situational. I've used that ultimate heal about 3 times in dungeons. Bol is just as good letting me use my ultimate to add dps

The heal is ok, could be better defensively, it used to be that - stacked with the FG def skill (now changed) and rune - you were invincible while casting that ulti, literraly, like over double the soft cap (when there were some) - since, I,ve been through some vet dungeons where I've kept my entire party alive with that ulti - managing to recharge it fast enough (every 10 ability use or so) to get us through entire boss fights - my problem with it now is that you can't move and def value dropped, so you can't use it as a emergency heal/boost/reset to a fight anymore, if the enemy (PVP or PVE) has too high burst dmg , they'll eat through the heal and you end up dead anyway.

QuebraRegra · December 2015

DannyLV702 wrote: »

My only issue is that it empowers itself making it hard to resist spamming it. It usually only kills me if I'm outnumbered though. I think it's fine how it is

You actually called the problem your self... Entire zergs spamming WB, WB, WB... it's the one button easy win for groups.

_Chaos · December 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

My only issue is that it empowers itself making it hard to resist spamming it. It usually only kills me if I'm outnumbered though. I think it's fine how it is

You actually called the problem your self... Entire zergs spamming WB, WB, WB... it's the one button easy win for groups.

Zergs spamming WB?
Wut?

Destyran · December 2015

Wahhh nerf wahhhh nerf.

How about they balance some *** before they nerf more things

OdinForge · December 2015

Wrecking Blow doesn't need a nerf, just fix the strange distance issue where it seems like you're safe enough distance away, but get hit anyway.

Stop nerfing.

Van_0S · December 2015

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Don't need to say anything else.

Yep, but I want WB to be very expensive like each successive hits will increase cost of WB by 50℅, 70% and lastly 100% till you have no stamina left or each WB attack, your max damage is reduces by 50℅, 70% and lastly 100% . So you can keep spamming WB like an old man with a broken stick.

PainfulFAFA · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Don't need to say anything else.

Yep, but I want WB to be very expensive like each successive hits will increase cost of WB by 50℅, 70% and lastly 100% till you have no stamina left or each attack decreases the attack by50℅, 70% and lastly 100% reduction to damage to the caster. So you can keep spamming it like a clown.

Hahaha i cant f***ing believe this hahahha!

I want the same treatment for shield spam,
ambush/lotus spam, surprise attack spam, jabspam, you know what make everything cost more because waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Van_0S · December 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Don't need to say anything else.

Yep, but I want WB to be very expensive like each successive hits will increase cost of WB by 50℅, 70% and lastly 100% till you have no stamina left or each attack decreases the attack by50℅, 70% and lastly 100% reduction to damage to the caster. So you can keep spamming it like a clown.

Hahaha i cant f***ing believe this hahahha!

I want the same treatment for shield spam,a mbush/lotus spam, surprise attack spam, *** spam, you know what make everything cost more because waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Greiver · December 2015

I'd be happy of they just removed the knock back aspect of it.

Turtl3Lov3 · December 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Wrecking Blow doesn't need a nerf, just fix the strange distance issue where it seems like you're safe enough distance away, but get hit anyway.

Stop nerfing.

Or you're bad at judging 7 meters like all Americans who use the empirical system.

Manoekin · December 2015

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Wrecking Blow doesn't need a nerf, just fix the strange distance issue where it seems like you're safe enough distance away, but get hit anyway.

Stop nerfing.

Or you're bad at judging 7 meters like all Americans who use the empirical system.

There was a DK ganking video sometime last week where the first fight the dude was way farther away than 10m even, and the DK didn't even have his screen turned towards him... yet still the WB went through. You can't deny WB does some weird *** it shouldn't.