UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

They're adding crafting bags at some point for subscribers so that'll be nice.

But no one knows what they are.

Crafting Bags will be a new section of your inventory that will hold your Crafting Materials, thus keeping the materials from cluttering your Bag and Bank. How large the bag will be in terms of space remains to be said, but hopefully large enough to hold all the different types of materials in the game!

Where did you get this information @UltimaJoe777 ?

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

No point in subbing.
I lol at anybody thats still subbed.
Do what everybody else does.

Re-sub when a DLC is released
Use the 1500 crowns to buy the dlc
Cancel sub and enjoy the benefits till expiration

And i lol at anybody that does what you suggest. When their revenue gets too low to create any more DLC's and the servers shutdown i guess you could say mission accomplished.

Plenty of f2P games make it many years without subs the sky isn't falling if you don't feed 15$ a month into a greedy conglomerate like zenimax

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

No point in subbing.
I lol at anybody thats still subbed.
Do what everybody else does.

Re-sub when a DLC is released
Use the 1500 crowns to buy the dlc
Cancel sub and enjoy the benefits till expiration

And i lol at anybody that does what you suggest. When their revenue gets too low to create any more DLC's and the servers shutdown i guess you could say mission accomplished.

ZOS could EASILY remove the "loophole" in their sub model @MasterFUNG_ESO . Why is it our responsibility to ensure ZOS' financial success? Why should we put ourselves out to make sure they get a "fair deal"? If my own personal job or financial success depended on it... Sure, Ok. I get that. But for most of us, it doesn't, so I see nothing wrong for me or anyone else getting the best deal we can get within the parameters of ZOS' purchasing models.

I LOL at anyone who feels they are responsible for making sure they give ZOS "enough" of their money.

The Divines know that many of us (myself included) have gone out of our way to tell ZOS how they can take our money by the fistful... yet ZOS piddles about and just about completely ignores their own Crown Store Item Wish List thread.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how @PainfulFAFA chooses to purchase the content. If ZOS thought there was, they would close whatever loopholes exist that allows players to do what he is suggesting.

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

No point in subbing.
I lol at anybody thats still subbed.
Do what everybody else does.

Re-sub when a DLC is released
Use the 1500 crowns to buy the dlc
Cancel sub and enjoy the benefits till expiration

And i lol at anybody that does what you suggest. When their revenue gets too low to create any more DLC's and the servers shutdown i guess you could say mission accomplished.

And i lol at anybody that thinks ZOS revenue is low when they have enough to throw a million bucks in the air.

Gidorick wrote: »

...Why is it our responsibility to ensure ZOS' financial success? Why should we put ourselves out to make sure they get a "fair deal"?

I have to agree. I like the game a lot. But if it went under, I already have a large backlog of games to play.

I bought two 5500 packs during the Black Friday sale. That is the first money I've spent on the game after my 3 month sub expired after launch. With those crowns, I bought the 2 DLC and I plan to buy the next two DLC. I still have the 1k crowns from the crowns they gave everyone when they opened the store. I am going to spend what I feel the game is worth compared to other games that I could spend my time on. Repeating content is not worth $16 a month to me.

I can see if there are those who love the game so much that they are willing to pay around $200 a year, but I have never played a game that I felt was worth that to me. If they would have kept the required sub, I might have revisited the game for one month when Orsinium released and then bailed after that until a few more DLC released that could provide content for a month of play.

I'm don't find server arguments compelling as there are quite a lot of games that don't charge a cent for keeping their servers on. I also doubt we would see so many MMOs being released if games were not making good money.

Subscription in this game is almost useless and the reason is B2P. Because ppl pay for the base game, ZOS can't take away from them anything significant and give it only 2 subs. If ESO was F2P they could do more drastic measures like restrict non-subs to blue gear max, limit their inventory to 50 items, limit their wallet to 20k etc. If ESO ever goes F2P (some ppl say it's given), we will probably see this 3rd tier of players be created. They may even completely remove the 2nd tier and give them free sub for time which covers price of the base game.

I was a sub of 2 MMOs in the past, but not here despite of the fact I play this MMO the longest time already.

-Free DLC access
-10% XP bonus
-Crowns to spend in the crown store

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

-Free DLC access
-10% XP bonus
-Crowns to spend in the crown store

Don't forget the 10% extra money gained and 10% research times decrease

I used to sub to support Zenimax, but I quit my sub recently, and I don't plan to resub untill one of the following: 1, ESO becomes less laggy and I can play again, 2, I get a new computer by a miracle. I can't make myself pay sub, when I can no longer play 99% of the game.

Sad part is, this game used to run with good graphical settings on my computer once, but now I have changed all settings possible to minimum, and it still runs horribly bad

Its pretty nice for people who are more on/off people, taking breaks and coming back to the game when new things come out to play through them. I enjoyed the Orsinium storyline a lot but to be honest I only really spent a week or less there and haven't logged in much since. The same will likely happen for future DLC's which have stuff I'm interested in.

I'll buy all of the DLC regardless, of course, but if I cared about saving money, in my situation subbing for just a month when new DLC comes out, instead of buying it permanently, would be a great savings.

ZOS

I hope you are reading these comments and absorbing what is being said. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the benefits of subscribing to ESO Plus is a joke and a waste of money. What you get as a subscriber in the long run is not worth it. As a subscriber you are just renting the DLC's and it is cheaper to not subscribe and just buy them. Getting crowns and the XP gain are really not a big enough enhancement to justify continuing to pay the subscription fee and I am sure subscribers are dropping like flies.

Could that be the reason for this past free weekend? To try and pick up more subscribers? Well you most likely will pick up some. But, after a few months they too will figure out that subscribing is not really worth it.

Anyways you need to add more benefits and enhancements to what you are currently offering ESO Plus subscribers now to make it worth the subscription fee.

ADarklore wrote: »

It's interesting how players are willing to buy a DLC but won't subscribe because they don't feel like actively supporting the game and thus, not actively encouraging it's continuance. So... if ESO doesn't make money and closes down, what good are those DLCs that you bought?

I subscribe because I want the game to continue and I know they are working to try and improve the game. Plus, the benefits aren't bad- I've seen worse in other MMOs that offer an optional subscription... and that 10% XP gain suddenly becomes 60% if you use XP Scrolls. For those already at the top, this might not mean much- although it also works for CP leveling as well- so I'd still think those who aren't CP maxed would appreciate the extra XP boost.

If they add the crafting bag for subscribers, I think this will help to add further value to subscriptions... at least it could help alleviate the necessity for mules or additional accounts for extra crafting storage.

How do you know ESO won't make enough money without subscriptions? If ZOS desperately needed to encourage subs to avoid going under, they would make them more attractive, but so far they've only become even more worthless than before (Black Friday sale). It seems to me that they don't care.

I support the game. I buy DLC and crown store cosmetics. I do not feel strongly enough about ESO to pay more for next to no value just because. When I want to support a struggling, but promising company, I go to Kickstarter, not to a studio under the umbrella of a major publisher.

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I just read all these comments,and they sadden me.It's like you guys dont care about ESO at all. I mean,is this loyalty? I'll stay subbed,no matter what,because I love this game.Bugs and all.I know the Devs are trying,and that is all I can ask of them. I'm grateful this game even came out,as I love the TES series so much.For their having to take all our crap,for them spending all their time trying to please everyone.they are welcome to my initial $80.00,plus my sub of $15.00 a month.
(I dont mean this comment rudely.All this just makes me sad is all.)

So much this!

I am afraid its some kind of mentality nowadays, which I don't understand. Supporting companies that make stuff you enjoy, what's wrong with that???

Jura23 wrote: »

moesmaker wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I just read all these comments,and they sadden me.It's like you guys dont care about ESO at all. I mean,is this loyalty? I'll stay subbed,no matter what,because I love this game.Bugs and all.I know the Devs are trying,and that is all I can ask of them. I'm grateful this game even came out,as I love the TES series so much.For their having to take all our crap,for them spending all their time trying to please everyone.they are welcome to my initial $80.00,plus my sub of $15.00 a month.
(I dont mean this comment rudely.All this just makes me sad is all.)

So much this!

I am afraid its some kind of mentality nowadays, which I don't understand. Supporting companies that make stuff you enjoy, what's wrong with that???

There is nothing wrong, but faith that ppl will sub just because they want to support the game is delusional. Most of them won't. They need to see real benefits to be motivated to sub.

Can agree with that, but I when I see how people here react to the whole concept of subbing. Like it is no viable option anymore.