What is the point of subscribing?

Toxic_Hemlock

I'm new to the game and Canadian. The sub cost to me is a fair bit higher than what others are paying so therefore I will just purchase the DLC's when I have some free cash and maybe a few crowns for when I see something I like.

Renting the DLC's as some have put it although supportive, to me, just means that I am locked into continuous play in order to keep what I have been playing. Once I buy the DLC it does not matter if I go out of town, find another game, or drop off the planet as when and if I come back I have them unlocked.

If they added the bonus of giving one free unlock of a DLC after X amount of time subscribing along with all the other benefits I might think about subscribing. Honestly though as a Canadian with the current exchange rate I would still most likely just buy the DLC's as they come out.

Chasem

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

I'm new to the game and Canadian. The sub cost to me is a fair bit higher than what others are paying so therefore I will just purchase the DLC's when I have some free cash and maybe a few crowns for when I see something I like.

Renting the DLC's as some have put it although supportive, to me, just means that I am locked into continuous play in order to keep what I have been playing. Once I buy the DLC it does not matter if I go out of town, find another game, or drop off the planet as when and if I come back I have them unlocked.

If they added the bonus of giving one free unlock of a DLC after X amount of time subscribing along with all the other benefits I might think about subscribing. Honestly though as a Canadian with the current exchange rate I would still most likely just buy the DLC's as they come out.

I agree on this... as a Canadian the sub cost is $17.99/month (pretty ridiculous.....)

I'm currently subscribed but it's pretty hard to see the value. They should really up the sub-benefits IMO. Also the crown store seems kinda barren. Take a look at Marvel's Heroes... they rake in the dough with their cash shop.

MasterFUNG_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

No point in subbing.
I lol at anybody thats still subbed.
Do what everybody else does.

Re-sub when a DLC is released
Use the 1500 crowns to buy the dlc
Cancel sub and enjoy the benefits till expiration

And i lol at anybody that does what you suggest. When their revenue gets too low to create any more DLC's and the servers shutdown i guess you could say mission accomplished.

ZOS could EASILY remove the "loophole" in their sub model @MasterFUNG_ESO . Why is it our responsibility to ensure ZOS' financial success? Why should we put ourselves out to make sure they get a "fair deal"? If my own personal job or financial success depended on it... Sure, Ok. I get that. But for most of us, it doesn't, so I see nothing wrong for me or anyone else getting the best deal we can get within the parameters of ZOS' purchasing models.

I LOL at anyone who feels they are responsible for making sure they give ZOS "enough" of their money.

The Divines know that many of us (myself included) have gone out of our way to tell ZOS how they can take our money by the fistful... yet ZOS piddles about and just about completely ignores their own Crown Store Item Wish List thread.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how @PainfulFAFA chooses to purchase the content. If ZOS thought there was, they would close whatever loopholes exist that allows players to do what he is suggesting.

Relax Gidorick, his post was rude so i responded with kind except from the opposite side of the coin. I find it funny how one group lol's at another but gets all bent out of shape when i do it back.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Well the obvious perks.

It provides access to all DLCs.
Minor perks: gold, xp, research time, crowns, and possibly craft bags in the future.

With all access you can try the various DLCS to decide if you like it enough to purchase it.
With the crowns you can save them. So if you sub for a month on every DLC release, you can buy one or two a year since releases are quarterly.

Since I am still researching my 8th and 9th traits I find the 3 day decrease in research time to be worth it without any other bonus tbh.

Spacemonkey

I just remained subbed after it went F2P out of support for the game more than anything else. -I'd really have rathered it stay a sub mmorpg but I understand the need for a larger player base.

Either way, the way I roll is I pay for a single game at a time, - I no longer have xbox live because I don't have time to play - so I don't mind paying for ESO even though I play a few hours a week only.

cote-bmsb16_ESO

I like to support the game, then *** about it when they cant fix bugs.

twev

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

They're adding crafting bags at some point for subscribers so that'll be nice.

But no one knows what they are.

Crafting Bags will be a new section of your inventory that will hold your Crafting Materials, thus keeping the materials from cluttering your Bag and Bank. How large the bag will be in terms of space remains to be said, but hopefully large enough to hold all the different types of materials in the game![/quote]

Optimism is a beautiful thing to see in one who's world hasn't been crushed yet.
Me, otoh, I've lost my youthful innocence, and instead, anymore, I just watch my world slowly smolder, verily, as my lust for life turns to ashes in my mouth.

You get the idea....

Ezareth

As a hard core player there is literally *Zero* benefit to Subbing. Mine Expires in a month and I see no reason to renew it.

I have everything fully researched and am a max crafter on all my chars so inspiration and research are worthless.

I'm at CP cap and the 10% Experience gain (which is actually less than 10% in most situations) is further taxed with the CP Cap penalty.

Still have 10,000 crowns to buy DLC.

There is no mathematical reason to subscribe to this game with the way they've designed it. Maybe when the CP cap is lifted again it will make sense if I'm not already at the new cap when it is released.

stevenbennett_ESO

twev wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Crafting Bags will be a new section of your inventory that will hold your Crafting Materials, thus keeping the materials from cluttering your Bag and Bank. How large the bag will be in terms of space remains to be said, but hopefully large enough to hold all the different types of materials in the game!

Optimism is a beautiful thing to see in one who's world hasn't been crushed yet.
Me, otoh, I've lost my youthful innocence, and instead, anymore, I just watch my world slowly smolder, verily, as my lust for life turns to ashes in my mouth.

You get the idea....

I'm going to make an educated guess what they are from the point of view of a Database programmer. One of the big reasons MMOs have limits on bank and inventory slots is the sheer amount of data which needs to be kept with each item saved in one of those slots. It's pretty huge. If you look at an Item Link, you can get a rough idea what's involved.

One of the tricks they can use is to compress that data in some fashion. "Crafting Bags" is a sneaky way to do this. See, crafting materials don't *really* need to store all of that crazy information for each item link. The crafting materials are a known entity, and all that *really* needs to be stored is a quantity value if you have a bag with a fixed slot for each crafting material.

Therefore, what I'm expecting is this - a "Crafting Bag" will contain one slot for each and every possible crafting material of the type it can hold. (If they're separate, you'll probably see a Blacksmithing bag, a Clothing bag, a Woodworking bag, an Alchemy bag, an Enchanting bag, a Provisioning bag, a Fishing bag, and perhaps a Style materials bag...) Internally, in the DB, this is represented as a simple 1 or 2 byte quantity value for each of those materials. If it's 1 byte (IMHO, most likely case), each bag will probably be able to hold a single "stack" of 200 of each material. If it's 2 bytes, it might be able to hold a LOT more, although you may see some arbitrary limit like 1000 or 2000. And you probably won't be able to split a stack within a crafting bag -- you'll probably have to withdraw the stack from the bag in order to split it.

Grileenor

I like to support the game and team, but the lacking support of the team makes me wondering, if subbing is the right choice. I believe 'support' for 'support' would do the trick. As long as they don't offer cool stuff in the shop, I might stop the sub again. Without support, there is no point. I can buy the DLCs anyway.

Gidorick

I just hope the "Crafting bags" are BAGS that take up one inventory slot and not just more tabs in the inventory.

runagate

It decreases your research time by 10%

Florial

If I enjoy a game and see myself playing it for the foreseeable future, I will happily subscribe. I do like the perks such as 10% bonuses to things, DLC, bonus crowns to spend. Just did a huge upgrade to my bank space and I loved not having to shell out thousands of gold.

Really looking forward to the crafting bags when those are introduced.

Callous2208

I just think it sucks that there is no way to keep playing the game when I start to feel like the sub is no longer worth it for me. Until they add this option I will continue to complain about the meager benefits that come with eso+.

AfkNinja

1. Gain an equivalent amount of monthly crowns.
2. Exp bonus and inspiration gains bonus of 10%
3. Letting the Devs know you think their game is the bees knees.

JD2013

I'll go ahead and tell you why I subscribe.

I have subbed since April 2014 when the game released. I am not planning on lapsing on my sub. Because I like to contribute towards the upkeep of the game. Elder Scrolls Online is something that I enjoy so very, very much. And my £8.99 a month, whilst a negligible amount to me (seriously, that's a couple of beers) lets the devs know that I support their game, and support them by paying each month.

Is the game perfect? Oh my, no. Not at all.

Do I love it? You bet your sweet doughnuts that I do.

A massive, online version of Tamriel where I can interact with some really lovely and like-minded people, and take a wander through Riften, Eastmarch, Coldharbour, and now the gorgeous area of Wrothgar, with more areas and DLC coming?

That to me is worth my £8.99 a month all day long. I can also access all DLC, and I now have more crowns than I know what to do with.

Ezareth

JD2013 wrote: »

I'll go ahead and tell you why I subscribe.

I have subbed since April 2014 when the game released. I am not planning on lapsing on my sub. Because I like to contribute towards the upkeep of the game. Elder Scrolls Online is something that I enjoy so very, very much. And my £8.99 a month, whilst a negligible amount to me (seriously, that's a couple of beers) lets the devs know that I support their game, and support them by paying each month.

Is the game perfect? Oh my, no. Not at all.

Do I love it? You bet your sweet doughnuts that I do.

A massive, online version of Tamriel where I can interact with some really lovely and like-minded people, and take a wander through Riften, Eastmarch, Coldharbour, and now the gorgeous area of Wrothgar, with more areas and DLC coming?

That to me is worth my £8.99 a month all day long. I can also access all DLC, and I now have more crowns than I know what to do with.

So buy 50 crown packs if you want to support the game. The issue isn't whether you should support ESO or not, the issue is you're actually getting less for your money by subscribing.

Jura23

Ezareth wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I'll go ahead and tell you why I subscribe.

I have subbed since April 2014 when the game released. I am not planning on lapsing on my sub. Because I like to contribute towards the upkeep of the game. Elder Scrolls Online is something that I enjoy so very, very much. And my £8.99 a month, whilst a negligible amount to me (seriously, that's a couple of beers) lets the devs know that I support their game, and support them by paying each month.

Is the game perfect? Oh my, no. Not at all.

Do I love it? You bet your sweet doughnuts that I do.

A massive, online version of Tamriel where I can interact with some really lovely and like-minded people, and take a wander through Riften, Eastmarch, Coldharbour, and now the gorgeous area of Wrothgar, with more areas and DLC coming?

That to me is worth my £8.99 a month all day long. I can also access all DLC, and I now have more crowns than I know what to do with.

So buy 50 crown packs if you want to support the game. The issue isn't whether you should support ESO or not, the issue is you're actually getting less for your money by subscribing.

I guess the sub will be worth it once there are more DLCs out so you get access to all of them while buying them all would be already costly, but that applies only to the new players.

JD2013

Ezareth wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I'll go ahead and tell you why I subscribe.

I have subbed since April 2014 when the game released. I am not planning on lapsing on my sub. Because I like to contribute towards the upkeep of the game. Elder Scrolls Online is something that I enjoy so very, very much. And my £8.99 a month, whilst a negligible amount to me (seriously, that's a couple of beers) lets the devs know that I support their game, and support them by paying each month.

Is the game perfect? Oh my, no. Not at all.

Do I love it? You bet your sweet doughnuts that I do.

A massive, online version of Tamriel where I can interact with some really lovely and like-minded people, and take a wander through Riften, Eastmarch, Coldharbour, and now the gorgeous area of Wrothgar, with more areas and DLC coming?

That to me is worth my £8.99 a month all day long. I can also access all DLC, and I now have more crowns than I know what to do with.

So buy 50 crown packs if you want to support the game. The issue isn't whether you should support ESO or not, the issue is you're actually getting less for your money by subscribing.

For what £8.99 gets me in real life, I get plenty.

The amount of playtime I have racked up for a start.

Gidorick

AfkNinja wrote: »

3. Letting the Devs know you think their game is the bees knees.

The fact that THIS continues to be a "reason" to subscribe baffles me.

Florial

Gidorick wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

3. Letting the Devs know you think their game is the bees knees.

The fact that THIS continues to be a "reason" to subscribe baffles me.

Why would it be baffling? If a product pleases me, I have no hesitation about supporting a game with a few bucks. Indeed one can support a game in various ways whether it be through a subscription or buying crowns. It really is a matter of preference.

Catblade

They should let me rent all the fancy mounts and pets for subbing. That way i can ride all kinds of new stuff constantly and distract me from how much $$$ i'm throwing away

Gidorick

Florial wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

3. Letting the Devs know you think their game is the bees knees.

The fact that THIS continues to be a "reason" to subscribe baffles me.

Why would it be baffling? If a product pleases me, I have no hesitation about supporting a game with a few bucks. Indeed one can support a game in various ways whether it be through a subscription or buying crowns. It really is a matter of preference.

Name me one more product that's not a videogame that you pay more than you need to pay to use @Florial ? The ESO+ offer should stand on it's own merit and the benefit it offers, not depend on the warm fuzzies players may feel about ZOS or (let's be honest) The Elder Scrolls.

And to be 100% honest... I'm only not subscribed out of principal. I want to be subscribed. I made multiple threads pretty much begging ZOS to add more benefits to ESO+... but they never did.

Personofsecrets

The point of subbing is strictly to feel better about yourself or prevent yourself from feeling worse.

burglar

when i have the money, the benefit is not for me, even though I do benefit. I consider any money I pay into subscription fees as funding for better or more development. The more money they make, the better the game is. Us americans think so much about ourselves, yet we can sometimes complain about the quality of our entertainment... if we only invested in it, even a little bit. At least for me, 15 bucks a month isn't a lot. I mean what can I buy with 50 cents a day? Oh, yeah. Ramen. College student 4lyfe, errr wait.

MrDerrikk

They should bring back the unique pets for 3 month, 6 month subbers that were in before the game went B2P. I missed out on my Ice Wraith and Dwemer Sphere, so why not add some other pets to show that you actually still pay for the game? That and crafting bags.

Gidorick

For MOST Of us who un-subscribed (who were from the sub-days) it is about the principal of the thing. ZOS changed how they did business, how they get their money. Those of us who were subbed prior to B2P were fine that ESO was a sub game. Many of us LOVED that it was a sub game. ZOS changed their mind on that... so we're just following their lead.

To sub when ZOS doesn't even try to make the sub more enticing, despite the throng of threads asking that they do, is asinine. It's like showing gifts on someone that ignores you and you thinking "If I just keep adoring them and giving them shiny trinkets, then someday they will notice me!"

ZOS chose this monetization model. I'm just following their lead. ZOS makes bumpkins off your "subscription". They make money off of the Crown Store. Do you think it's a coincidence that your $15 a month gives you $15 worth of Crowns? Because it's not.

You want to support ZOS? buy their crown store stuff. A player who subs and never buys from the crown store is LESS helpful to ZOS than a player who regularly buys items from the crown store because ZOS is relying on the analytics from the Crown Store to decide what items to offer in the future.

Me? I'll buy items and content that appeal to me. I have gone WAY far out of my way to tell ZOS exactly how to take my money. Ball is in their court now.

I feel absolutely no responsibility to ensure ESO's future success. They're not running a charity, they're running a for-profit business. They make a product and I'll buy that product if it fulfills my wants. Period.

MasterFUNG_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

For MOST Of us who un-subscribed (who were from the sub-days) it is about the principal of the thing. ZOS changed how they did business, how they get their money. Those of us who were subbed prior to B2P were fine that ESO was a sub game. Many of us LOVED that it was a sub game. ZOS changed their mind on that... so we're just following their lead.

To sub when ZOS doesn't even try to make the sub more enticing, despite the throng of threads asking that they do, is asinine. It's like showing gifts on someone that ignores you and you thinking "If I just keep adoring them and giving them shiny trinkets, then someday they will notice me!"

ZOS chose this monetization model. I'm just following their lead. ZOS makes bumpkins off your "subscription". They make money off of the Crown Store. Do you think it's a coincidence that your $15 a month gives you $15 worth of Crowns? Because it's not.

You want to support ZOS? buy their crown store stuff. A player who subs and never buys from the crown store is LESS helpful to ZOS than a player who regularly buys items from the crown store because ZOS is relying on the analytics from the Crown Store to decide what items to offer in the future.

Me? I'll buy items and content that appeal to me. I have gone WAY far out of my way to tell ZOS exactly how to take my money. Ball is in their court now.

I feel absolutely no responsibility to ensure ESO's future success. They're not running a charity, they're running a for-profit business. They make a product and I'll buy that product if it fulfills my wants. Period.

I agree about being perfectly happy when the game was sub only. I miss it really. But that being said why does it bother you if others are happy subbing now? Its their money and im glad they are subbing cause we both know thats better then those not spending any money at all.

Im glad to hear you have offered ZoS ideas on how to better incentivize their sub model but pls don't look down on those of us who do sub.

I disagree on subbing not being valuable to ZoS. Depending on how long people choose to buy(1 month-6 month) its money they can count on where as the store income fluctuates big time from user to user.

The amount of crowns we get from subbing never seems to be enough due to the prices of hot ticket items so i imagine alot of people who sub also buy crowns.

MarrazzMist

I sub, it's not too much money and I like to have some extra to use in crown store. Not a big issue for me either way. I still have last 6 months crowns left, though I'll spend some this month

Catblade wrote: »

They should let me rent all the fancy mounts and pets for subbing.

This is actually fun idea: there could be some special mount and outfit for "rent" for subscribers. As a some kind of patch that you are currently subscripng.

Knootewoot

If there was an Inn only accessible for subs, something like a VIP-lounge, I would sub and hang out in the Inn.

But for now I don't see reason for subbing.

I only PvP, so pets are nothing for me. Mounts.. well, a mount is a mount. Nice for RP'ers but I don't care about mounts. Maybe a nice costume, but my armor already looks cool. XP in this game is not extra needed with 10%, you get xp fast enough.

So the DLC I can just buy with crowns I bought which is a better deal if they have another deal like black friday