Please, Nerf Crystal fragments!!!!! (UPDATE)

olsborg · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

For example, a sorc as can be high up the tower and can cast their OP move .

Well, if you cant dodge or block this by the time it hits you in this situation...sorry to say...L2P.

arcantonias · December 2015

I killed a sorc yesterday in cyrodill on my dk and he started complaining wanting to duel cause he said I zerged him. So I dueled him on my dk and killed him with ease. He throws a frag, I reflect. He winds up a det, I fossilized him. He stands in his mines, I spam him with focused aim. In the end he said I hit him for 13k with wrecking blow lol.

Ravens-Sonata · December 2015

All the issues with the game - glitches, lags, freezes, quests not working properly, etc and we have to gripe about class skills????

How about ALL the technical get fixed FIRST before we start asking for changes, especially ones that are really NOT reasonable and not essential.

Either learn to play - strategy and defense are a plus in PvP -- or stop PvP'ng or try another class - But There are ALOT of other things in this game that needs attention!

Tryxus · December 2015

And I thought I was crazy, then I read the updated post

But is the OP worthy of Uncle Sheo's gift, I wonder...

Tryxus · December 2015

Whoopsie

I mean...

Git Gud

Heindrich · December 2015

L2P. Crystal Frags not OP.

stojekarcub18_ESO · December 2015

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Van_0S · December 2015

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Well, don't worry about it ZOS is going to buff and fix all classes in the next patch.
I just wanted to see, how these guys who play as sorc defend their class from getting nerf while they post other classes to get a nerf.

In this thread, I can know now how many players have sorc as their main class. No wonder they are very little nerf threads on sorc.

So, I started this thread to make others know that sorc is one of the OP class in this game and as neverever been nerf to the ground like other class *cough* DK and Temp*cough*, while NB was consider a weak class before IC.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Well, don't worry about it ZOS is going to buff and fix all classes in the next patch.
I just wanted to see, how these guys who play as sorc defend their class from getting nerf while they post other classes to get a nerf.

In this thread, I can know now how many players have sorc as their main class. No wonder they are very little nerf threads on sorc.

So, I started this thread to make others know that sorc is one of the OP class in this game and as neverever been nerf to the ground like other class *cough* DK and Temp*cough*, while NB was consider a weak class before IC.

I have a dk as my main.

Anyway:

1. Nb was never weak before IC...
2. Should of seen sorc when dk's rules the world.
3. Still a L2P issue.

Divinius · December 2015

Problem:
"I'm getting my face handed to me by sorcs casting CF in PvP."

Solution 1:
"Let's go to the forums, and ask the community what I could be doing better in order to defend against CF spells!"

Solution 2:
"Let's go to the forums, and demand that the game designers nerf this ability because I don't know how to defend against it!"

Too many players these days just jump to solutions like #2 to their problems, instead of solutions like #1.

Don't be a #2.

daemonios · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Well, don't worry about it ZOS is going to buff and fix all classes in the next patch.
I just wanted to see, how these guys who play as sorc defend their class from getting nerf while they post other classes to get a nerf.

In this thread, I can know now how many players have sorc as their main class. No wonder they are very little nerf threads on sorc.

So, I started this thread to make others know that sorc is one of the OP class in this game and as neverever been nerf to the ground like other class *cough* DK and Temp*cough*, while NB was consider a weak class before IC.

Were you even around 1 year ago? Sorcs were next to useless in PvE. The only buff we got in 1.6 was liquid lightning and a passive IIRC, and even that came with another nerf to bolt escape. The only reason sorcs are doing well in PvE right now is the removal of soft caps. I couldn't care less about PvP, but whatever changes are done there, I hope they stay there.

KaleidoscopeEyz · December 2015

Nerf whining ain't cool bro. Friends don't let friends nerf whine.

Dracane · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Well, don't worry about it ZOS is going to buff and fix all classes in the next patch.
I just wanted to see, how these guys who play as sorc defend their class from getting nerf while they post other classes to get a nerf.

In this thread, I can know now how many players have sorc as their main class. No wonder they are very little nerf threads on sorc.

So, I started this thread to make others know that sorc is one of the OP class in this game and as neverever been nerf to the ground like other class *cough* DK and Temp*cough*, while NB was consider a weak class before IC.

I have a dk as my main.

Anyway:

1. Nb was never weak before IC...
2. Should of seen sorc when dk's rules the world.
3. Still a L2P issue.

In fact, NBs startet being overlords when 1.6 hit in. That's when they've risen.
And Sorc was so poor during the DK supremacy

it was such a pain.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Dracane wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

Granted, the dmg is pretty rediculous on it...but please stop asking for nerfs. If people are *** you in pvp, don't play pvp anymore. Zeni hasn't realized that skills can be adjusted seperately for pvp & pve yet, so we're still stuck in the old "nerf because pvp---senseless harm to pve" cycle.

Well, don't worry about it ZOS is going to buff and fix all classes in the next patch.
I just wanted to see, how these guys who play as sorc defend their class from getting nerf while they post other classes to get a nerf.

In this thread, I can know now how many players have sorc as their main class. No wonder they are very little nerf threads on sorc.

So, I started this thread to make others know that sorc is one of the OP class in this game and as neverever been nerf to the ground like other class *cough* DK and Temp*cough*, while NB was consider a weak class before IC.

I have a dk as my main.

Anyway:

1. Nb was never weak before IC...
2. Should of seen sorc when dk's rules the world.
3. Still a L2P issue.

In fact, NBs startet being overlords when 1.6 hit in. That's when they've risen.
And Sorc was so poor during the DK supremacy it was such a pain.

The Infinity roll dodging stam blade that was 2 hit you was horrible.. xD

DRXHarbinger · December 2015

Well Harbinger one of the most beast sorcs on XB has been slain many a times today....seriously I've been owned in 1v1s, gang banged, zerged the lot.... you know what I do when this happens. ...whenever I get focused aim spammed or WB spammed....I press x or wait for a revive and carry on...then kill some more and die again and repeat and level up and gain AP. It's called playing the game. It's just a game op. Seriously allow your bitching and get on with it brah....we all get killed by attacks that we see as stupid and moan over it but they'll be doing just the same as you ..or tell me do you make sure you cycle through every ability and do not spam punt strikes over and over? I have met your kind many a times in the sewers...Proper spamming sewers rats just sweeping and sweeping their way to a grisly death..

Angarato · December 2015

the "problem" with sorc is that theyre designed for pvp. their entire skillset is amazing for pvp, you have the mobility with streak and lightning form. you have the area denial with daedric mines, you have the high damage burst with crystal frags (and lets be honest that proc is up almost 24/7) that you can combine with curse and inev det or proxy det for insane burst.
and then you have the get out of jail free card with your 20k damage shield stack without having to sacrifice any damage for it
not even the biggest dk tanks have 40k health. uncritable undotable mobile burst machines.

does that mean they need a nerf? maybe
damage shields need to be able to be critically hit and dotted but thats not a sorc only problem

other classes can put out some sick burst too but they need their ult to do so
wb + take flight
proxy det + Dawnbreaker
meteor + anything

or they have to be in stealth and use camo hunter and/or molten arms for dk.

but no class can do the consistant timed high damage burst like sorc can without using ult and burst rules pvp

hammayolettuce · December 2015

You could always just block it or dodge it. Its not like its an instant spam skill like Surprise Attack... Crystal frags only has a chance to proc an instant.

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DRXHarbinger · December 2015

@Angarato that's all good saying you have all that. But that's all my magika pretty much gone..to be able to cast all that and run all that just using streak and lightening form once and one shield etc you have no regen perks. Fail to kill who ever it is and you're a dead man. It's not quite as easy as that. I don't agree with the proc statements on here. It's a 20% chance and it isn't always up. You end up wasting magika just trying to get it to proc. Still trying to mag details though. Half a level to go. I don't know many sorcs that have this on console though. Most people gave up at barrier.

pandoraderomanus · December 2015

OMG. Really? Again?
Well, level up your own sorc (if anyone thinks that sorc is OP) and 'spam' CF, what's the problem?

Asmael · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

This ability as been spammed like hell for almost a year and it crits almost 10- 16k in cyrodiil. Please nerf this ability.

EDIT:

For those who say CF can be dodged or blocked, well I tell you that you can't do it when they are in a GRP but in 1v1 situation there is a slight possibility to win or apply dodge roll to avoid there attacks provided they don't use their OP move( daedric mine+Endless Fury+Critical Surge+ Crystal fragments).

Crystal fragments can be said as a spammable ability because it almost reaches that state where you can cast it every time by using the OP move. Just use any sorc ability for just 1or 2 sec and then you get your OP CF. But what make CF worst is that it's a range Very high DMG compared to WB.

For example, a sorc as can be high up the tower and can cast their OP move but a Stam sorc can only use Critical surge and WB ,thus resulting a possibility of dying instant by a skilled enemy player or mobs.

So, those who say L2P or its easy to avoid their attacks, either have not played Player vs Mob players or are Sorc themselves.

Lastly, NERF CRYSTAL FRAGMENT, Please Zemimax.

Thank you.

Excuse me but...

If daedric mine+Endless Fury+Critical Surge+ Crystal fragments is an OP move, you have not even a small idea what an actual sorc rotation is, which means you don't play a sorc, or have no idea how to play those, and are asking for a nerf to something you don't even want to learn about.

Inevitable Detonation + Velocious curse + Streak + C.Frag + Mage's wrath is a strong combo.

And you also said "spammable" in a so-called "OP combo" with 4 moves. 4 GCD, no, that's not the definition of spammable. Surprise attack is spammable with full efficiency. WB is spammable with full efficiency. Focused Aim is spammable with full efficiency.

Comparing Focused aim to hardcast C.Frag spam, you do get a knockdown, but...
- It costs more resources
- It has less range
- It deals less damage

YES, sorcs are overperforming, but the issue doesn't lie with C.Frags, but with the current meta of stacking magicka to infinity and getting both offensive and defensive power, but that's true for all classes, it's just that some benefit more from this.

Leon119 · December 2015

Stop Q.Qing and L2P =_=

RatedChaotic · December 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

This ability as been spammed like hell for almost a year and it crits almost 10- 16k in cyrodiil. Please nerf this ability.

EDIT:

For those who say CF can be dodged or blocked, well I tell you that you can't do it when they are in a GRP but in 1v1 situation there is a slight possibility to win or apply dodge roll to avoid there attacks provided they don't use their OP move( daedric mine+Endless Fury+Critical Surge+ Crystal fragments).

Crystal fragments can be said as a spammable ability because it almost reaches that state where you can cast it every time by using the OP move. Just use any sorc ability for just 1or 2 sec and then you get your OP CF. But what make CF worst is that it's a range Very high DMG compared to WB.

For example, a sorc as can be high up the tower and can cast their OP move but a Stam sorc can only use Critical surge and WB ,thus resulting a possibility of dying instant by a skilled enemy player or mobs.

So, those who say L2P or its easy to avoid their attacks, either have not played Player vs Mob players or are Sorc themselves.

Lastly, NERF CRYSTAL FRAGMENT, Please Zemimax.

Thank you.

Just one important tip. Dont go in by yourself. Player vs Mob. Are you seriously trying to solo a zerg? LMAO. L2P.

P.S. I'm a NB.

ArvenAldmeri · December 2015

Clearly a L2P issue. I play a sorc. And I play other classes also and I never had problem with Crystal Frag. As for your complaints about other "OP" abilities - Daedric mines - dont step on them, they are there for a reason. Crit surge - sorry, that is a stamina morph, learn to know the class, magicka morph is called power surge and is less powerfull than stamina crit surge. Endless fury - you joking, right? You know its 1 second execute that sometimes does not even proc the execute, right? You know its the weakest execute in the game, right? And finally last - your favourite - Crystal frag - you know the proc is random and sometimes takes 10 other attacks to make it proc, right? You know non proc is 1 second castime + time travel, right? YOU KNOW ITS BIG SHINY THING FLYING TOWARDS YOU IN THE AIR, RIGHT???!
Please, someone tell this guy how to play the game, I dont think he is doing it correctly.
Also, one more thing, if you are unable to dodge, block or reflect it like all normal players do, you are clearly not playing right. So stop whining and learn to play!

Dracane · December 2015

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

Clearly a L2P issue. I play a sorc. And I play other classes also and I never had problem with Crystal Frag. As for your complaints about other "OP" abilities - Daedric mines - dont step on them, they are there for a reason. Crit surge - sorry, that is a stamina morph, learn to know the class, magicka morph is called power surge and is less powerfull than stamina crit surge. Endless fury - you joking, right? You know its 1 second execute that sometimes does not even proc the execute, right? You know its the weakest execute in the game, right? And finally last - your favourite - Crystal frag - you know the proc is random and sometimes takes 10 other attacks to make it proc, right? You know non proc is 1 second castime + time travel, right? YOU KNOW ITS BIG SHINY THING FLYING TOWARDS YOU IN THE AIR, RIGHT???!
Please, someone tell this guy how to play the game, I dont think he is doing it correctly.
Also, one more thing, if you are unable to dodge, block or reflect it like all normal players do, you are clearly not playing right. So stop whining and learn to play!

Are you my friend from Facebook ?

Destyran · December 2015

Just sayin if they dont netf this i want original jesus beam back!!

ArvenAldmeri · December 2015

Dracane wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

Clearly a L2P issue. I play a sorc. And I play other classes also and I never had problem with Crystal Frag. As for your complaints about other "OP" abilities - Daedric mines - dont step on them, they are there for a reason. Crit surge - sorry, that is a stamina morph, learn to know the class, magicka morph is called power surge and is less powerfull than stamina crit surge. Endless fury - you joking, right? You know its 1 second execute that sometimes does not even proc the execute, right? You know its the weakest execute in the game, right? And finally last - your favourite - Crystal frag - you know the proc is random and sometimes takes 10 other attacks to make it proc, right? You know non proc is 1 second castime + time travel, right? YOU KNOW ITS BIG SHINY THING FLYING TOWARDS YOU IN THE AIR, RIGHT???!
Please, someone tell this guy how to play the game, I dont think he is doing it correctly.
Also, one more thing, if you are unable to dodge, block or reflect it like all normal players do, you are clearly not playing right. So stop whining and learn to play!

Are you my friend from Facebook ?

Indeed, its me xD

Alucardo · December 2015

Destyran wrote: »

Just sayin if they dont netf this i want original jesus beam back!!

Get out of here you. No one cares about Templars any more.

MidnightBlue · December 2015

TiberX wrote: »

Please nerf NB's and all the guys asking for Crystal Frags nerf, haha
Thats the only post this tread deserves.

I'm a NB and I don't agree to nerfing Crystal Frags. The nerfing for all classes shouldn't happen. There are ways to dodge and avoid CFs.

MidnightBlue · December 2015

Cazzy wrote: »

I die a lot to Frags, taking about 15k damage. I actually have an archenemy in AD. I don't think it should be nerfed but I'd like to know what I can combat it with I'm a NB.

Cloak or dodge roll. You can easily see someone casting it a mile away.

MidnightBlue · December 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

I'd prefer they nerf players who call for a nerf of other players simply because they don't want to L2P. Just because you want to 'play your way' doesn't mean other players also have to play YOUR way.

Seriously. Agreed.