Please, Nerf Crystal fragments!!!!! (UPDATE)

mr_wazzabi

Swannkyy wrote: »

Dodge it, you can see it coming from a mile away.

Not when it procs. Instant cast = no telegraph & very hard to dodge

daemonios

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Dodge it, you can see it coming from a mile away.

Not when it procs. Instant cast = no telegraph & very hard to dodge

You don't know what you're talking about. When CF procs you'll see the enemy's hands glow and you can prepare in advance. The shard takes a long time in flight, allowing you to dodge. And you can still block it or reflect it.

Ravens-Sonata

Learn to pay.. if you're going to PvP then learn strategy and defense - but asking for nerfs that will ruin classes just because you have an issue with a skill is just totally wrong!

There are other technical issues that are far more important that need to be fixed -
Leave classes and skills alone!

Dracane

ADarklore wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You got something wrong here. What you mean is, that people suggest using the shadow(crit damage) rather than the thief (crit chance) once your crit chance is pretty high.

I do believe, after recent updates to Mundus, this has been shown to be incorrect. I do believe someone on here has shown that going with Thief beyond 50% holds a slight advantage over Shadow.

Actually not, this information is from after the changes to these stones.

imredneckson

I don't even like to play a sorc and I'm saying leave it as is.

found1779

Please nerf everything in pvp for a matter of fact take pvp away from eso all together

Luigi_Vampa

found1779 wrote: »

Please nerf everything in pvp for a matter of fact take pvp away from eso all together

You could always not play it. I suppose you haven't found a way to beat that op dk yet?

On topic. Do not nerf C-frags. There is nothing wrong with it. Stop calling for nerfs on skills that are not broken.

found1779

Typhoios wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Please nerf everything in pvp for a matter of fact take pvp away from eso all together

You could always not play it. I suppose you haven't found a way to beat that op dk yet?

On topic. Do not nerf C-frags. There is nothing wrong with it. Stop calling for nerfs on skills that are not broken.

Lol naw i figured a way to beat his cheating self It's called just ignore him and the rest of dumb pvp after playing pvp for a week i've came to a conclusion pvp is trash things are to unbalanced in pvp it might as well be taken away from eso all together and let development focus on stuff that really matters pve and bugs that needs fixed pvp is going to be the death of eso dcuo learned this the easy way pvp wasn't profitable so they let it die just like eso better do before they get to a point of no return pve is the only profitable and logical thing they need to pay attention to

notimetocare

Frags only issue is how buffed it can become with the right setup.

found1779

Ravens-Sonata wrote: »

Learn to pay.. if you're going to PvP then learn strategy and defense - but asking for nerfs that will ruin classes just because you have an issue with a skill is just totally wrong!

There are other technical issues that are far more important that need to be fixed -
Leave classes and skills alone!

I think actually crystal fragments should be nerfed it's to op and DK's need a major nerf also

MrGigglypants

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

This ability as been spammed like hell for almost a year and it crits almost 10- 16k in cyrodiil. Please nerf this ability.

Thank you.

Nirnhoned + Hardy problem solved man hits are rarely above 6k.

found1779

MrGigglypants wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

This ability as been spammed like hell for almost a year and it crits almost 10- 16k in cyrodiil. Please nerf this ability.

Thank you.

Nirnhoned + Hardy problem solved man hits are rarely above 6k.

Nice suggestion just another reason why i think role specific gear should be on eso

X3ina

found1779 wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

This ability as been spammed like hell for almost a year and it crits almost 10- 16k in cyrodiil. Please nerf this ability.

Thank you.

Nirnhoned + Hardy problem solved man hits are rarely above 6k.

Nice suggestion just another reason why i think role specific gear should be on eso

1.If you meet many stamina gankers - use reinforced on a small and impenetrable on your big armor parts, magicka ones - use nirn and imp. Even this will nerf their crits to the ground. This patch is based around crit an spell/weapon damage so this are the basics that u should learn to use + Learn your enemy. Roll a class that killes u mostly in 1v1, try that spec etc.
2. Make use of your champion points
But mostly its L2P issues (like your dk and OPs frags)

DannyLV702

Bruh

Ch4mpTW

Is... Is this thread serious? And with 4 pages...? Really...? Crystal fragments to get nerfed...? Out of ALL of the skills in the game... Dark Cloak, Wrecking Blow, Critical Rush, Ambush, Focused Aim/Lethal Arrow... And you want Crystal Fragments nerfed? Something that can not only be easily dodged, but blocked too and take little to no chip damage? Bruh. No... Just. . . No.

Essiaga

CyrusArya wrote: »

This is all not to mention frags is dodge able, interruptible, and most importantly reflect able. Name me another class' main dps skill that has this many counters to it, I'll wait.

/raises hand. um ... Templars? Jabs/sweeps ... Dark Flare ... and don't get me started on the crappy execute. No options for insta-cast. Well Dark flare could be morphed Solor Barrage but why?

But I agree with you. Sorc's frags are no the issue with the class. The CC issue seems to be when coupling knock down and stun. The animation seems to get tripped up delaying the CC immunity and allowing the 'victim' to be hard CC again. If they removed the stun or the Knockdown it would be fine. WB has the same issue.

Only issue I have with Sorcs is their shields are so big that Wheeler had to address them by nerfing everyone's shields ... and Ward is still OP ... templar/DK can't stop a heavy attack with there's, but Sorcs are eating CFrag with out having their life touched. No problem with them having larger shields but 3x larger then DK and templar shield with way more in class mobility and burst damage seems a bit OP.

An actual Buff Sorc post recommended changing shields to buffs, major shield would be 20%, minor shield 10% of max health or magicka (which ever higher). Could only stack 1 of each buff and never for more then 30% of mag/health.

Wreuntzylla

daemonios wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Dodge it, you can see it coming from a mile away.

Not when it procs. Instant cast = no telegraph & very hard to dodge

You don't know what you're talking about. When CF procs you'll see the enemy's hands glow and you can prepare in advance. The shard takes a long time in flight, allowing you to dodge. And you can still block it or reflect it.

I so don't agree with OP but... long time in flight? Have you ever watched a Dark Flare???

Tower_Of_Shame

L2P OP xD or got back to your starting zone as a vr16 and enjoy how powerfull you are in PvE and stay out of PvP xD

olsborg

Only nerf I want is crittable and dotable shields.

ScooberSteve

Block dodge roll interupt or stun. Thats the way to go

ScooberSteve

A lot of player complain when all they need to do is master the most basic game mechanics.

Trihugger

I think it's safe to say the people have judged and found this thread wanting.

k2blader

Kutsuu wrote: »

Any sorc hard casting crystal frags is a dead sorc against a competent player. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but the problem is with your lack of awareness and knowledge. Learn and improve rather than whining for a nerf.

^ Very well said. OP please take the appropriate measures and stop asking for nerfs.

MrDerrikk

found1779 wrote: »

Ravens-Sonata wrote: »

Learn to pay.. if you're going to PvP then learn strategy and defense - but asking for nerfs that will ruin classes just because you have an issue with a skill is just totally wrong!

There are other technical issues that are far more important that need to be fixed -
Leave classes and skills alone!

I think actually crystal fragments should be nerfed it's to op and DK's need a major nerf also

This makes me chuckle every time; until I remember that ZOS has a habit of listening to the loudest minority and just nerfs things unnecessarily...

leepalmer95

MrDerrikk wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Ravens-Sonata wrote: »

Learn to pay.. if you're going to PvP then learn strategy and defense - but asking for nerfs that will ruin classes just because you have an issue with a skill is just totally wrong!

There are other technical issues that are far more important that need to be fixed -
Leave classes and skills alone!

I think actually crystal fragments should be nerfed it's to op and DK's need a major nerf also

This makes me chuckle every time; until I remember that ZOS has a habit of listening to the loudest minority and just nerfs things unnecessarily...

I'm pretty sure the next logical nerfing of dk's is just out right deleting the class all together.

MrDerrikk

leepalmer95 wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Ravens-Sonata wrote: »

Learn to pay.. if you're going to PvP then learn strategy and defense - but asking for nerfs that will ruin classes just because you have an issue with a skill is just totally wrong!

There are other technical issues that are far more important that need to be fixed -
Leave classes and skills alone!

I think actually crystal fragments should be nerfed it's to op and DK's need a major nerf also

This makes me chuckle every time; until I remember that ZOS has a habit of listening to the loudest minority and just nerfs things unnecessarily...

I'm pretty sure the next logical nerfing of dk's is just out right deleting the class all together.

Then they'll get carried away and delete all Templar class skills other than the Restoring Light line, as "They're meaant to be healers!"

Reevster

Just nerf anything that does damage over 5 k, then we can go around throwing cream pies at each other, another silly nerf post, learn to play please.

Tryxus

Reevster wrote: »

then we can go around throwing cream pies at each other

Can we throw muffins instead?

willymchilybily

on topic:
need a new slogan i think on these forums I'm thinking along the lines of "try before you cry".
@Cazzy

Cazzy wrote: »

I die a lot to Frags, taking about 15k damage. I actually have an archenemy in AD. I don't think it should be nerfed but I'd like to know what I can combat it with I'm a NB.

dark cloak or dodge roll works for me. having made and payed a sorc ive got a lot better at recognizing it, and knowing what they are capable of.

off topic:
@ADarklore

ADarklore wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Elfborn is only increasing the damage when you crit... Elemental expert will increase all of this damage all of the time... and obviously the more the base damage is the more your crit damage for this will be.

Once you start getting quite high in elemental expert then start adding into Elfborn.

I swear, this is the exact opposite of other advice I've read. Because my crit is already high, almost 70%, most of my attacks crit... thus, wouldn't you want HIGHER damage from those crits than lower damage on non-crit?

If you want a comparison for stamina users to keep it simple. mighty vs precise strikes. Even at 100% crit chance im better putting more of my CP into mighty than precise. (about 2.5 :1) to min/max damage. so even if every hit is a crit boosting crit damage wont min/max my DPS. This ratio increases rapidly as crit drops and at 50% crit It closer to a 9:1 ratio.

i dont see any reason why this would not be true for sorcs elemental/elfborn.

ArcVelarian

This is more like a case of certain other classes being underpowered at the moment (DK and Templar Dps).