Seriously... this is my weekly Maelstrom weapon?????!!!!!!!

Dracane · December 2015

Zilch wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Bye bye legendary rings and ammy. If we have a 100% chance to drop a weapon now we don't have a chance at legendary jewelry........ GG zos.

Because unlike weapons, jewelry cannot be upgraded
It doesn't really matter if I get a golden weapon from the mail or a purple one from the chest. If it's the right weapon with the right trait, I gladly buy 8 tempering things. But I can only get purple jewelry and need to live with it.

I rather get golden jewelry from the mails than golden weapons.

Which sets from Orsinium are you interested in? I personally think they're all lackluster.

I want 2 Winterborn rings, because they offer me ~200 more Magicka than V14 healer rings

Only for the 1 piece trait

Zilch · December 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Bye bye legendary rings and ammy. If we have a 100% chance to drop a weapon now we don't have a chance at legendary jewelry........ GG zos.

Because unlike weapons, jewelry cannot be upgraded
It doesn't really matter if I get a golden weapon from the mail or a purple one from the chest. If it's the right weapon with the right trait, I gladly buy 8 tempering things. But I can only get purple jewelry and need to live with it.

I rather get golden jewelry from the mails than golden weapons.

Which sets from Orsinium are you interested in? I personally think they're all lackluster.

I want 2 Winterborn rings, because they offer me ~200 more Magicka than V14 healer rings Only for the 1 piece trait

Why not willpower? :-)

Ezareth · December 2015

Did anyone get more than one drop from this? Or are we all stuck with a weapon every week now?

I think it is BS if we can no longer get Golden Rings/Neck because it screws a lot of the sets over otherwise.

I got my Third defending Maelstrom Axe this week. At least this one has a chance at giving me a Tempering Alloy....

Zilch · December 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Did anyone get more than one drop from this? Or are we all stuck with a weapon every week now?

I think it is BS if we can no longer get Golden Rings/Neck because it screws a lot of the sets over otherwise.

I got my Third defending Maelstrom Axe this week. At least this one has a chance at giving me a Tempering Alloy....

I got my third resto staff! Now I have 4! I'm looking for the axe though

Xexpo · December 2015

Does the Shield come in any other sets? like briarheart, winterborn, etc

Hamrb · December 2015

I got that shield as my first weekly award hah. Btw I now have 3 maelstrom mauls 2 daggers an axe and a sword.(all one handed

. )

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

We don't have any way of saying without knowing which definition they're using to determine if a shield is a weapon or armour

As they are literally crafted under the ARMOR tab at Woodworking and the TRAITS you need to learn are ARMOR TRAITS NOT weapon traits - how on Earth are you so confused? It's armor.

We are not ignoring anything guys. Seriously Joe, UrQuan and everyone else that is arguing this point.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YOU CAN BASH WITH IT WE KNOW! HOWEVER it is under the armor line, it is crafted like armor, and is why I expected to get a weapon.

ZOS nerfed the shield back in May of 2014 because at one time it caused as much damage as a weapon. ZOS's position at that time is that a SHIELD was to be used for defense to block!

None of our points matter anyway it is ZOS that gets to make that final decision.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_RichLambert PLEASE RESPOND

Why keep crediting me here? I'm not actively part of this argument as I've already said my pieces and there is nothing left to say lol

Darlon · December 2015

Got a sharpened bow this week.

Islyn · December 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

They obviously meant "Maelstrom items" in the patch notes, you're arguing semantics because you didn't get the item you wanted.

There are probably a bunch of people who got a staff and were annoyed it wasn't the shield, just be glad you got a maelstrom item rather than junk they formally handed out.

Tarvy & UrQuan get it...

We shouldn't be argueing 'is it a weapon or armor'... because the game treats it as both in different circumstances...

What Tarvy stated is 100% correct... clearly just an example of poorly worded patchnotes, which if pushed ZoS will inevitably come here and say 'We meant Maelstrom items'... in exactly the same way that 'Master items' dropped from DSA.

If you want to argue something then let it be about what specific Maelstrom items you want in the weekly.

Although considering the limited opportunities in game to aquire these I think it exceptionally unlikely ZoS will remove them....

Damn me for this and I am an idiot for posting in here again but I think the complaining was about the lack of stand alone bis weapons. Not some dumb item from Maelstrom, I therefore also think the patch was meant to guarantee at least a chance each run of one of the actual useful bis weapons, not some bit of dungeon trash.

To me this meant they meant each complete would net one of the standalone weapons (like master weapons) not a pos set piece.

Granted you could still get the bone and get an axe as a mana sorc but you would have always gotten something crappy. This way, at least you had a better chance of the standalone weapon you wanted, if every complete netted one standalone -not set piece- weapon.

Hamrb · December 2015

Guys, I have one shield, and 7 one handed weapons, all your complaints are invalid until your RNG is worse that that lol

EDIT: also my 3 main toons are magician dps or heals lol

Spearshard · December 2015

Technically since you want to mince words about if a shield is a weapon or armor and keep calling that slot a "weapon" slot, just wanted to point out it is technically called the off hand slot, not weapon.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Spearshard wrote: »

Technically since you want to mince words about if a shield is a weapon or armor and keep calling that slot a "weapon" slot, just wanted to point out it is technically called the off hand slot, not weapon.

And the other is called the Main Hand slot

Islyn · December 2015

Spearshard wrote: »

Technically since you want to mince words about if a shield is a weapon or armor and keep calling that slot a "weapon" slot, just wanted to point out it is technically called the off hand slot, not weapon.

During my haze of insomnia I said same and basically got called an idiot but with a lot more words.

Castle · December 2015

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

zerosingularity · December 2015

That's all well and good, but the shield will still get deconned by most. Might want to have it buffed or synergize with the weapon.

Gilliamtherogue · December 2015

Castle wrote: »

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

What about golden/legendary leveled jewelry from weeklies? Now that weapons are 100% those have been removed, and some niche builds enjoyed having that. Why not just make it like VDSA weekly rewards where it was weapons and jewelry? I mean you already have the point system copied from VDSA even though there aren't 10 rounds, and your final score takes a 15k penalty because of it.

Sharmony · December 2015

Castle wrote: »

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

And what about the non accessible gold jewellry, I still havn't even recieved a single response to my post on this issue, would you mind @Castle ? url="http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/233669/weekly-maelstrom-arena-changes#latest"]Link[/url

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Technically since you want to mince words about if a shield is a weapon or armor and keep calling that slot a "weapon" slot, just wanted to point out it is technically called the off hand slot, not weapon.

During my haze of insomnia I said same and basically got called an idiot but with a lot more words.

ya Islyn

Castle wrote: »

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

Thank you for responding Castle!!!!! I'm sure that most of us appreciate the change as well!

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

That shield at least needs an enchantment that you can't just craft yourself...

Personofsecrets · December 2015

I've been trying to tell you all about tanking being crappy for a long time now. Most players deserve to get these crappy tanking items for not standing up for the role and for being neutral or content with the role getting nerfed.

We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you, but @ZOS_RichLambert and others did the bare minimum to buff the tanking sets. Needless to say they are crappy and now everyone, tank or otherwise, will get crappy feeling moments because of it.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Im going to have to agree anyone who is completing vMA is never going to use that item, should remove from weekly rewards

No, everyone should have to take their lumps.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I don't understand why people are arguing about the "armor vs. weapon" thing, when the REAL problem is that the so-called "Maelstrom Shield" is really just a Permafrost set piece in disguise!

Why isn't there a true Maelstrom Shield with a unique 1 piece bonus like the other Maelstrom gear?

Because the developers didn't follow my guidance.

@ZOS_RichLambert , it would have been really easy to have a conversation with tanks about what would have made the maelstrom tanking items cool. We reached out. We tried.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

Castle wrote: »

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

@Castle , thank you for solving an issue that some players were having. In my opinion the development team would have had a stronger fix to the issue if they just made the tanking items good. I haven't bothered with maelstrom because, not only is solo-content with damage races a pain in the butt for someone that only plays tank, but there is only trash rewards from a tanking perspective. How the tanking items were handled really damaged my opinion of the development teams use of PTS feedback.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

@Castle , I can't tell if the maelstrom weapons "improves" low slash morphs or if it "improves" heavy attacks. These taking items are 3 steps backwards compared to the other weapons. Makes no sense.

CtrlAltDlt · December 2015

Get wrecked

Nifty2g · December 2015

It seems we need to delve deeper.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I've been trying to tell you all about tanking being crappy for a long time now. Most players deserve to get these crappy tanking items for not standing up for the role and for being neutral or content with the role getting nerfed.

We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you, but @ZOS_RichLambert and others did the bare minimum to buff the tanking sets. Needless to say they are crappy and now everyone, tank or otherwise, will get crappy feeling moments because of it.

how long are you going to beat the horse about tanks being nerfed? everyone has moved on, there is no changes going to be reverted to stamina regen and there doesn't need to be.

@Castle are we still able to get the gold rings and necklaces from the rewards. maybe have a 40% chance to drop with a weapon?

Dracane · December 2015

Zilch wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Bye bye legendary rings and ammy. If we have a 100% chance to drop a weapon now we don't have a chance at legendary jewelry........ GG zos.

Because unlike weapons, jewelry cannot be upgraded
It doesn't really matter if I get a golden weapon from the mail or a purple one from the chest. If it's the right weapon with the right trait, I gladly buy 8 tempering things. But I can only get purple jewelry and need to live with it.

I rather get golden jewelry from the mails than golden weapons.

Which sets from Orsinium are you interested in? I personally think they're all lackluster.

I want 2 Winterborn rings, because they offer me ~200 more Magicka than V14 healer rings Only for the 1 piece trait

Why not willpower? :-)

The thing is, I stack Magicka on my tank

I only use 2 pieces of Willpower for the Magicka bonus. I use the necklace and the axe of Willpower and 2 healer rings for the 2 piece Magicka bonus. Using a V16 set will give me some more and I'm obessed with numbers when it comes to this.

me_ming · December 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

I just love it when people conveniently ignore facts that don't support their position. It's part of a weapon skill line, and you can attack with it. It's a weapon. It's also armour. In some ways the game treats it as one, and in some ways the game treats it as the other. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Apart from your argument that you can attack with it and it's part of the weapon skill line, shields are basically more armor than weapon. As mentioned you craft it under the armor tab, not the weapon tab. It's traits and enchants are all armor traits and enchants. It is not slotted in the weapon slot, the slot is called off-hand. Now unless you can slot the shield on the other side (which is the weapon slot), then the argument that it's more of a weapon than an armor can be viable. I believe this is also mentioned that in your inventory the shield is under your armor tab not the weapon tab.

I do think ZoS should really clarify what shields are. Because yeah, in this case where in they promised to have a 100% chance of acquiring Maelstorm Weapons, shields (Maelstorm or not) should NOT be included, since it's identity is vague. My point is, if ZoS themselves are not sure what shields are, then they should have not send these are rewards. I mean, there are a lot of weapon items in game, right? Send this guy a resto staff, at least, you wouldn't have threads like this.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

It seems we need to delve deeper.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I've been trying to tell you all about tanking being crappy for a long time now. Most players deserve to get these crappy tanking items for not standing up for the role and for being neutral or content with the role getting nerfed.

We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you
We tried to tell you, but @ZOS_RichLambert and others did the bare minimum to buff the tanking sets. Needless to say they are crappy and now everyone, tank or otherwise, will get crappy feeling moments because of it.

how long are you going to beat the horse about tanks being nerfed? everyone has moved on, there is no changes going to be reverted to stamina regen and there doesn't need to be.

@Castle are we still able to get the gold rings and necklaces from the rewards. maybe have a 40% chance to drop with a weapon?

"Everyone has moved on" - couldn't be more untrue. Tanks get crapped on every patch. We keep mentioning what would make the roll better and very few things are changed about it.

Personofsecrets · December 2015

How long are you going to keep complaining about loot in this game @Nifty2g ? It's time that you move on to discussing bigger and better things. Seriously, this is an MMO. What do you expect? Stop expecting everything to be given to you loot wise.