Seriously... this is my weekly Maelstrom weapon?????!!!!!!!

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

Increased the drop rate of the Maelstrom Weapons from the Maelstrom Arena weekly leaderboard mail. You now have a 100% chance to receive a Maelstrom Weapon if you are on the weekly leaderboard, previously a 50% chance.

It says 100% chance to receive a weapon... the below is a shield not a weapon...

I put in a ticket. Take your shield back and send me my weapon please...

i3ig_Gun · December 2015

That is some BS... I'd be pissed as well...

dsalter · December 2015

ugh impen as well

Ruben · December 2015

Yep, that is part of the "Maelstrom" items. It should be removed, I hope I get a good one :S

acw37162 · December 2015

ZOS has an awfully *** since of humor

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

Patch notes said 100% chance for a weapon. One of my friends got the same Shield as me and another got a helm. @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_RichLambert ......

radiostar · December 2015

lol, when they nerfed the bash enchant they said bc shields aren't to be used for weapons. Funny

Regis_Filius · December 2015

Sword passive enchant was changed to Max Health so I think it will be good to change Shield enchant, for example, passivly increase physical and spell armor and if you have Defensive Posture or its morphes on the panel it is provide you extra block mitigation or reduce block cost.

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. Just say I wanted to re-enchant (not that I would). I sure cant put a weapon enchant on a shield.

UrQuan · December 2015

Is a shield a weapon? Depends on which definition of weapon you're using.

Pros:
It takes up a weapon slot, so by that definition it's a weapon. You can attack with it (shield bash), so by that definition it's a weapon. It's part of a weapon skill line, so by that definition it's a weapon.

Cons:
It uses armour traits rather than weapon traits, so by that definition it's not a weapon. It uses armour enchants rather than weapon enchants, so by that definition it's not a weapon. When looking in your inventory it's under the armour tab, so by that definition it's not a weapon.

So the real question is what definition was ZOS using in the patch notes? This could be a bug, or it could be intended depending on which definition of weapon they were using.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Even though Shields are Armor they are still part of the One Hand and Shield Skill Line and you cannot use that line without a Shield, so that's a valid reason for there to be a Maelstrom Shield. Odd, I know, but hey!

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

So I got a response from customer service...

If you are continually getting the wrong type of loot, you may be having bad luck. But fear not! Your chances could turn around, so keep trying.

Bad luck? I don't even know how to respond to that....

Catblade · December 2015

Trash

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Even though Shields are Armor they are still part of the One Hand and Shield Skill Line and you cannot use that line without a Shield, so that's a valid reason for there to be a Maelstrom Shield. Odd, I know, but hey!

I agree but the Patch Notes specifically say Weapon. Not Weapon and/or Shield.... Weapon

zerosingularity · December 2015

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Islyn · December 2015

I would be incandescent.

Nifty2g · December 2015

Im going to have to agree anyone who is completing vMA is never going to use that item, should remove from weekly rewards

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

I don't even have this set, let alone care about it. You should not confuse logic with emotion.

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

I don't even have this set, let alone care about it. You should not confuse logic with emotion.

Answer me this Joe, can I put a weapon enchant on the shield?

Islyn · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

He (Ultima Joe) is forever saying stuff like this. I have had to put him on block to avoid being constantly annoyed.

Quotes still show up, though.

People, please pay attention to the actual issue (bolded in his quote) before trying to nicey-nice people with nonsense.

You might think you're just being nice, but when you try and placate people with useless stuff it really doesn't help. It's just annoying.

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

He (Ultima Joe) is forever saying silly stuff like this. I have had to put him on block to avoid being constantly annoyed.

Quotes still show up, though.

Please people pay attention to the actual issue (bolded in his quote) before trying to nicey-nice people with nonsense.

Ahhh, got it. Thank you for the reply. I honestly thought he just wanted the shield.

Islyn · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

He (Ultima Joe) is forever saying silly stuff like this. I have had to put him on block to avoid being constantly annoyed.

Quotes still show up, though.

Please people pay attention to the actual issue (bolded in his quote) before trying to nicey-nice people with nonsense.

Ahhh, got it. Thank you for the reply. I honestly thought he just wanted the shield.

It's not you. He is often misinformed and tries to be 'nice' by pointing out 'good' things in literally bad situations, often not realising the good things he points out are part of the issue.

He's not trying to be a jerk, I think he just doesn't know much about end game gear/progression.

UrQuan · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

I don't even have this set, let alone care about it. You should not confuse logic with emotion.

Answer me this Joe, can I put a weapon enchant on the shield?

You can't, but you can equip a shield in a weapon slot. In some cases this game defines a shield as a weapon. In other cases this game defines a shield as armour.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

You know, I have not seen a maelstrom shield not be of the permafrost set. But the maelstrom shield should NOT be in the same loot table as a maelstrom weapon. By definition maelstrom weapons have an ability altering enchantment, this piece of trash does not. I feel you

Actually if you think about it this Shield alters Shielded Assault.

Wow you love this set. A maelstrom weapon IS not a part of a set piece. I would have to use the entire set for the benefit of this shield. With the weapons I do not. I can create this glyph and enchant any shield with it.

I don't even have this set, let alone care about it. You should not confuse logic with emotion.

Answer me this Joe, can I put a weapon enchant on the shield?

Don't be silly lol also what UrQuan said. I was honestly going to point that out too, but didn't feel it necessary.

Also don't mind Islyn it's a known fact he hates me lol so he will say anything of that sort. I say what I know, I never claim otherwise, and I only speak logically when pointing things out. I know you want a Weapon I was only stating reasons that you got the Shield in the first place is all.

As for you thinking I wanted the Shield no I do not lol I run Hist Bark on my only alt to run 1h and Shield.

GCVDJ11T · December 2015

Back on topic....The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. So even you acknowledge that a weapon is not a shield by saying that I wanted a weapon and got a shield....lol.

The fact is the patch notes promised weapon and gave a shield.

They didn't say weapon or shield. Just weapon.

UrQuan · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Back on topic....The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. So even you acknowledge that a weapon is not a shield by saying that I wanted a weapon and got a shield....lol.

The fact is the patch notes promised weapon and gave a shield.

They didn't say weapon or shield. Just weapon.

The fact is that by some game definitions a shield is a weapon. By others it is armour. The fact is that you don't know which of those definitions they were going by when they put that in the patch notes. The fact is that you're conveniently ignoring everything that doesn't support your position. The fact is that this may be a bug or it may be intended.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Back on topic....The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. So even you acknowledge that a weapon is not a shield by saying that I wanted a weapon and got a shield....lol.

The fact is the patch notes promised weapon and gave a shield.

They didn't say weapon or shield. Just weapon.

If it was never intended they will eventually do something about it lol all we can do is wait and see what if anything they have to say.

Islyn · December 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Back on topic....The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. So even you acknowledge that a weapon is not a shield by saying that I wanted a weapon and got a shield....lol.

The fact is the patch notes promised weapon and gave a shield.

They didn't say weapon or shield. Just weapon.

The fact is that by some game definitions a shield is a weapon. By others it is armour. The fact is that you don't know which of those definitions they were going by when they put that in the patch notes. The fact is that you're conveniently ignoring everything that doesn't support your position. The fact is that this may be a bug or it may be intended.

A maelstrom weapon should never be a set piece. Also, shield counts as armor, period.

When you craft one, it is under armor at craft table regardless where you equip it.

You're wearing it on your arm, which is why you cannot hold a weapon in the same hand.

UrQuan · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Back on topic....The patch notes say 100% chance for a weapon. So even you acknowledge that a weapon is not a shield by saying that I wanted a weapon and got a shield....lol.

The fact is the patch notes promised weapon and gave a shield.

They didn't say weapon or shield. Just weapon.

The fact is that by some game definitions a shield is a weapon. By others it is armour. The fact is that you don't know which of those definitions they were going by when they put that in the patch notes. The fact is that you're conveniently ignoring everything that doesn't support your position. The fact is that this may be a bug or it may be intended.

A maelstrom weapon should never be a set piece.

Do the patch notes specify that? I didn't see that in there, but if you'd care to quote where it says that the maelstrom weapon dropped would never be a set piece, I'll take that back. I only saw it name them as maelstrom weapons, and the shield in the image is named maelstrom.

Islyn wrote: »

Also, shield counts as armor, period.

When you craft one, it is under armor at craft table regardless where you equip it.

You're wearing it on your arm, which is why you cannot hold a weapon in the same hand.

It takes up a weapon slot, so by that definition it's a weapon. You can attack with it (shield bash), so by that definition it's a weapon. It's part of a weapon skill line, so by that definition it's a weapon.

Like I said, there are some ways in which the game defines a shield as a weapon, and there are other ways in which the game defines a shield as armour. You can't state that it's definitively one and not the other, because in some ways it is treated as one, and in other ways it is treated as the other.

Again, this may be intended, or it may be a bug. We don't have any way of saying without knowing which definition they're using to determine if a shield is a weapon or armour. I believe it's more likely to be a bug than it is likely to be intended, but none of us can say that with certainty, and pretending otherwise is silly.