All classes have completed MSA Vet, all even getting over 400k scores, it is entirely do-able, took me 4 hours on my first try with no potions throughout and broken armor on the last boss. I admit I was playing one of the more favorable classes, magicka nightblade, but if the leaderboards are anything to go by, it's a challenge! It's what this game needed in group content for months and even then, that's coming (with luck) in Q1! Why are we complaining about difficulty so much? Without difficulty there's no challenge in PvE within the game at present.

Gratz @Reeko!

Dylanlucas wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Dylanlucas wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Dylanlucas wrote: »

They should remove the whole leader board ***

VMSA for no lifers or people that make a job of this game (yah Deltianerd )

Not for people with jobs or kids.

Read: "I suck at the game and can't l2p, remove the leaderboards pls so no one else gets to enjoy it"

Not really, was ps4 world's first on several occasions.

Hel Ra
Sanctum
Vet DSA

The difference with that is that it's actuall MMO content which you do with your friends to socialize rather than this single player *** that they resorted to to cater the needs for the skyrim fanboys.

Maybe you should read it differently like "I have two kids and a real job which matters way more than this *** game"

I see, so when you have two kids and a real job, hardcore content that allows you to get carried is okay, but when you have to do the same alone it's suddenly a problem.

Do I speak Spanish?

I think I'm very clear to you, yet you fail to grasp my point. I'll try to explain it one more time very.....slowly....

This *** game isn't worth my time compared to my kids, my wife and my job.

So maybe you should try to look for a job or get some kids and then you know what the grownups mean.

Comprende

Dude zero chill. We don't need your life story to justify you not being able to complete vmsa. l2p.

Overbowed wrote: »

Dylanlucas wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Dylanlucas wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Dylanlucas wrote: »

They should remove the whole leader board ***

VMSA for no lifers or people that make a job of this game (yah Deltianerd )

Not for people with jobs or kids.

Read: "I suck at the game and can't l2p, remove the leaderboards pls so no one else gets to enjoy it"

Not really, was ps4 world's first on several occasions.

Hel Ra
Sanctum
Vet DSA

The difference with that is that it's actuall MMO content which you do with your friends to socialize rather than this single player *** that they resorted to to cater the needs for the skyrim fanboys.

Maybe you should read it differently like "I have two kids and a real job which matters way more than this *** game"

I see, so when you have two kids and a real job, hardcore content that allows you to get carried is okay, but when you have to do the same alone it's suddenly a problem.

Do I speak Spanish?

I think I'm very clear to you, yet you fail to grasp my point. I'll try to explain it one more time very.....slowly....

This *** game isn't worth my time compared to my kids, my wife and my job.

So maybe you should try to look for a job or get some kids and then you know what the grownups mean.

Comprende

Dude zero chill. We don't need your life story to justify you not being able to complete vmsa. l2p.

If I shared my life story it could fill this forum completely. Why is every PC fan boy telling me that I need to learn to play? Whilst they all need those parsing tools and all those other addons? The PS4 players play vanilla so are in my opinion the better players.

Anyways enjoy you game time.

Reeko wrote: »

Now im not calling for a nerf, just sorta venting my frustration.

I see nothing but calling for a nerf in this post, honestly.

BalticBlues wrote: »

Colosso-monstro wrote: »

I see nothing but calling for a nerf in this post

The OP says he has "to leave for work soon." How is a required save functionality a nerf? People with a real life have limited time, need to take care for kids/wife/job and have to to goto bed at some point to get some sleep.

If someone would sell a book with 1000 pages,
requiring readers to start from the beginning each time they need a break,
this book probably would not sell much.

EVERYBODY HANG ON, IT WAS A TYPO

While I can understand the points many of you are making here I think many of you just need to accept that all content isn't designed for everyone.

To date Aetherian Archive is the only trial I've ever completed. I've completed vDSA exactly once, both because friends had no one else and asked me to come help them. I'm not a big fan of group content, including dungeons so I've spent the past two years using only crafted gear and gear that I could buy on the AH. I've used No monster helms, master weapons or Sanctum gear or anything that I couldn't buy or craft....and I've been fine with that because I'm glad to see different content made for different people and I made do with what I had access to.

MSA is solo content designed for players like me who only loosely group with others but are primarily solo players. Veteran MSA is content that was designed for the hard core veteran who wants some content in the game that isn't EZmode boring. Right now vMSA to me is the most enjoyable PvE content ZoS has released to date because I can't sleep through it all.

Here is a breakdown of my time spent learning and mastering the content. Since I'm primarily a PvP player I had to take a crash course in mastering PvE DPS while learning the content which was fine by me.

• PTS: 2 Hours on PTS template, gave up thought it was boring after not being able to make it past round 4 and had no incentive for doing it (Exp/loot etc.)
• 4.5 Hours to make it to Stage 8 and didn't try it, had to log
• 5 Hours, got to final boss, wipefest couldn't get him past 20%
• 5 Hours, finally beat it 122 Deaths
• 3 Hours 75 Deaths
• 2 Hours 19 Deaths
• Next 20 Runs Between 1 Hour 40 minutes and 2 hours with 5-20 Deaths each (many of my deaths are due to having sporadic internet issues...nothing I can do but die and hope the next attempt doesn't suffer similarly)
• 1 Hour 30 minutes 0 sigils 0 deaths.

At this point after 25+ Runs I've memorize every wave where it spawns, what to target, what to avoid and I'm finding the content challenging but only in trying to go "Deathless" not in beating it. I have the final boss dying in less than 2 minutes and can't believe I died 200+ times to him. It still takes me around 40 Tri-stat pots with the build that I'm using per run so I figure I'm losing around 4-5K gold a run all things considered which is offset by doing my writ dailies etc.

The point is I have a "Life" outside of the game, I work 10-12 hours of my day and I still had no issues putting up the initial investment in time and repairs to learn the content. I'm sure better players than I have done this all in far less time. If this is too much for many of you, you don't *have* to do the content and complete it. Enjoy the rest of what the game offers and move on just as I have for 90%+ of the game. Let us enjoy our challenging content and you can enjoy the content designed for you.

Phinix1 wrote: »

The inability to save progress is really a terrible design. It might even be a lawsuit in the making.

Expecting players to sit for an average 2+ hours at a stretch goes against national health recommendations and could lead to DEATH by pulmonary embolism/deep vein thrombosis.

People get REALLY obsessive over completing stuff like this, especially when they lock things like cosmetic costumes behind it. ZOS needs to add a save progress option before they KILL someone. O.O

And this is such a joke. I guarantee the majority of players with a V16 character regularly play for 2+ hours at a time already. Trying to scare ZoS into nerfing content for your personal preference is pretty weak.

Phinix1 wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And this is such a joke. I guarantee the majority of players with a V16 character regularly play for 2+ hours at a time already. Trying to scare ZoS into nerfing content for your personal preference is pretty weak.

Saving content progress is not a nerf.

Nerfing content is a nerf.

Put the pitchfork down, brah. It isn't time.

Sure it is. It makes the content significantly easier to complete and makes the final rewards far more common. Imagine how easy any raid content would be if players could save their place in it and just bang their heads against it until they downed it?

Ezareth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And this is such a joke. I guarantee the majority of players with a V16 character regularly play for 2+ hours at a time already. Trying to scare ZoS into nerfing content for your personal preference is pretty weak.

Saving content progress is not a nerf.

Nerfing content is a nerf.

Put the pitchfork down, brah. It isn't time.

Sure it is. It makes the content significantly easier to complete and makes the final rewards far more common. Imagine how easy any raid content would be if players could save their place in it and just bang their heads against it until they downed it?

You could save raid progress in WoW. Still took weeks to clear but it made it so that the players who had jobs/family that prevented them from playing everyday the chance to finish the raids.

Ofcourse raids in that game were huge and lasted much longer than the trials in eso.

My point is, adding a save function would not hurt this games current new content in any way.

Reeko wrote: »

Video of final boss kill.
https://youtu.be/EN-x4W2JYrs

Is there a reason they made an Anagram of Valkyn Skoria name for this boss?

Seems a bit uninspired? Or it is a elaborate plot to make you laugh right?

Reeko wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And this is such a joke. I guarantee the majority of players with a V16 character regularly play for 2+ hours at a time already. Trying to scare ZoS into nerfing content for your personal preference is pretty weak.

Saving content progress is not a nerf.

Nerfing content is a nerf.

Put the pitchfork down, brah. It isn't time.

Sure it is. It makes the content significantly easier to complete and makes the final rewards far more common. Imagine how easy any raid content would be if players could save their place in it and just bang their heads against it until they downed it?

You could save raid progress in WoW. Still took weeks to clear but it made it so that the players who had jobs/family that prevented them from playing everyday the chance to finish the raids.

Ofcourse raids in that game were huge and lasted much longer than the trials in eso.

My point is, adding a save function would not hurt this games current new content in any way.

Yeah I quit WoW soon after they turned it into a giant mess of catering to Casuals with battle pets and the rest of that garbage. Part of what brought me to ESO was listening to the Devs take a hard stance against that sort of thing.

Oldbushie wrote: »

To the L2P detractors: You *do* realize there's still a regen/soul limit, yeah? You get 500 deaths allowed before failing vMA. Saving progress after every stage should save the number of souls used up.

I'm one of the most hardcore players in this game as far as achievement hunting goes, and I've gotten almost all soloable achievements in the game. Even I take breaks every couple hours. It's inhuman to expect people to sit at a screen for 5-8 hours in one sitting with a poopsock in hand to complete a challenge, all while fearing a rogue power outage or mental shutdown. This isn't a L2P issue, this is a sanity issue.

I've logged off for 5 minutes and come back to Arena and my place was still saved. I think your instance will last for 15 minutes while you're logged off like any other dungeon.

I don't mind difficult content. Hell I've pretty much accepted I'll never best vMA. I just wish it didn't feel like uber elite content to some classes and faceroll walk in the park to others. I saw a legitimate thread the other day asking for it to be harder. Because it was too easy for a player's sorc. You won't ever hear a stamplar say that no matter how skilled the player is, lol.

Ezareth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And this is such a joke. I guarantee the majority of players with a V16 character regularly play for 2+ hours at a time already. Trying to scare ZoS into nerfing content for your personal preference is pretty weak.

Saving content progress is not a nerf.

Nerfing content is a nerf.

Put the pitchfork down, brah. It isn't time.

Sure it is. It makes the content significantly easier to complete and makes the final rewards far more common. Imagine how easy any raid content would be if players could save their place in it and just bang their heads against it until they downed it?

And that affects you so much that you don't want others to finish even though they've paid for the game? Jesus, narcissism at a high level. Bet you're a nicw guy...