Ladder immunity has to be removes

Nestor · November 2015

And you can't find anyone else to fight?

Tan9oSuccka · November 2015

Sounds like a ladder camper that can no longer get cheap kills.

Helgi_Skotina · November 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

uhm that is just like 10% of the content.
i could also say game was designed to rp. but that is also just a part of the game.
the game is bigger then the content you focus on...
short sightnes which you can't get prescription glasses for

ОК. Cyro and IC are designed to kill each other.

Helgi_Skotina · November 2015

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yes, that's why there's only 2 zones in the entire game that actually got pvp and the rest got only pve, definitely made to only kill each other....

Yes and we are talking about one of these 2 zones actually.

Helgi_Skotina · November 2015

Nestor wrote: »

And you can't find anyone else to fight?

Why shoul i search if there was this DC? I earned about 20k AP in the last 2 hours solo, but this one i had to kill too.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Sounds like a ladder camper that can no longer get cheap kills.

The guy ran to the ladder from inner of the sewers. He didnt come from a dastrict.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

uhm that is just like 10% of the content.
i could also say game was designed to rp. but that is also just a part of the game.
the game is bigger then the content you focus on...
short sightnes which you can't get prescription glasses for

ОК. Cyro and IC are designed to kill each other.

Yet IC has a full sotryline in it.
there is more content there, not just for griefers like you

Helgi_Skotina · November 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Yet IC has a full sotryline in it.
there is more content there, not just for griefers like you

In 1 place it is a PvP zone and no one has to be safe.

Saltypretzels · November 2015

OP, seems like you were just hanging out by a ladder to be a griefer. Be a man and look for fights away from the ladders.

Arthur_Spoonfondle · November 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

uhm that is just like 10% of the content.
i could also say game was designed to rp. but that is also just a part of the game.
the game is bigger then the content you focus on...
short sightnes which you can't get prescription glasses for

ОК. Cyro and IC are designed to kill each other.

Yet IC has a full sotryline in it.
there is more content there, not just for griefers like you

Griefers and gankers are just sad, inadequate, no-life idiots who have to pick on easy targets to boost their pitiful self esteem.

Wollust · November 2015

1. Immunity after zoning in is totally alright and should be, as it is, endless till you leave the safe area.
2. There should be no immunity for someone walking back into the safe area. It's stupid and destroys the idea of the sewers and the IC. It's a PvP zone, if you enter be ready to fight even if you don't like to. Otherwise, go to an empty campaign or enter the zone during off-times or don't bother buying a DLC flagged as PvP DLC.

There is nothing wrong with attacking an enemy player inside the PvP areas. Doesn't matter if it's a PvEer or a pacifist or whatever. That's the idea of open world PvP. You don't ask first before you attack.

And people judging others for being gankers or grievers or whatever are the worst. Enjoy the game how you want to, let others enjoy it how they want to. But accept that there are under certain circumstances limitations to your playstyle.

Divinius · November 2015

The OP is the perfect example of the type of player that prevents me from wanting to participate in PvP at all... People who get their jollies from attacking and killing others that they know are weaker and less skilled than they are (who would rather avoid a fight they know they can't win). People who refuse to seek out a real challenge from players that actually want to battle, and would rather just prey on the weak.

It's funny, when you think about it. The OP is getting mad at the player who's hiding in a safe zone, and calling him weak... but the OP himself is "hiding" from real battles, likely because he knows he himself is too weak to beat a real foe. Kind of hypocritical actually.

However, I am glad to see (based on the other responses in this thread) that not all PvP players are like this.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

Wollust wrote: »

1. Immunity after zoning in is totally alright and should be, as it is, endless till you leave the safe area.
2. There should be no immunity for someone walking back into the safe area. It's stupid and destroys the idea of the sewers and the IC. It's a PvP zone, if you enter be ready to fight even if you don't like to. Otherwise, go to an empty campaign or enter the zone during off-times or don't bother buying a DLC flagged as PvP DLC.

There is nothing wrong with attacking an enemy player inside the PvP areas. Doesn't matter if it's a PvEer or a pacifist or whatever. That's the idea of open world PvP. You don't ask first before you attack.

And people judging others for being gankers or grievers or whatever are the worst. Enjoy the game how you want to, let others enjoy it how they want to. But accept that there are under certain circumstances limitations to your playstyle.

same can be said about the OP looks to me a case of pot calling the kettle black.

Soleya · November 2015

They should remove immunity cause this is really fun (load screen left in for full experience, skip to 1:20 if you don't want to wait)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aPaFbm0WnI

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · November 2015

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yes, that's why there's only 2 zones in the entire game that actually got pvp and the rest got only pve, definitely made to only kill each other....

Yes and we are talking about one of these 2 zones actually.

Well, if you can't even pick an honest fight but need to gank someone at the sewer ladders then I don't think you really can say that others are weak, I've seen so many be sooooo proud when they got the last hit in on someone fighting a sweeper or just killing someone loading into the area, but they're just cowards that would be blown away at the slightest resistance.

Kyoma · November 2015

If you can get immunity back by running back to the ladder then that needs to be changed. You dont get it back when you run to a main gate again, do you? So why would ladders be any different.

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO · November 2015

they should have immunity for just a few seconds

Kammakazi · November 2015

Lel everyone is against OP.

Nice try BullyOP.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

this is because there is nothing worse then a griever...
they cry if they can't pull something of and pray on the nieuwer player because they have a edge

Itoq · November 2015

This conversation highlights an issue with the poor design of IC.

First, players should not be able to cloak past mobs with impunity. Neither should the mobs be artificially spaced such that players can sneak past all or most of them. Additionally, once aggro'ed mobs should also hold aggro for a longer distance (similar to but not as far as the banner bosses hold aggro.)

Second, players should be able to position themselves to be able see and hear far enough off such that they can react of players of other factions are coming towards them. Upon seeing the advancing players those players then have time to react and make a quick decision.

For example group A is grinding and sees group B approaching.

Group B has the option to barge through the mobs to reach group A. This would mean that they would continue to take damage and CC from those mobs when they started to hit group A.

Or group B could fight the mobs along the way, which would give group A more time to react.

On the other side group A could also start to retreat or advance - with the same consequences regarding the mobs and their decision how quickly to move.

Potential dynamics like the above are just some of what is missing in the design and planning of IC. This lack of dynamics results in the area being so lackluster and low in population. Also, this lack of dynamics leads to interaction between opposing players being generally unrewarding for most of those involved.

Defilted · November 2015

I am not sure how hard this would be to code. However I feel the best solution here is to have ladder immunity when you first log in and the immunity is permanent unless you move. Once you move you lose it. This way it would keep you safe from loading in and even for those really long load times that could still happen and would keep someone from abusing it. It may work this way already and if it does then my apologizes for mentioning it, but I have not had the pleasure of being ganked myself so I have always just moved right away from the ladder.

If there someone that is upset over this , then these are the ladder gankers IMO. I have been to the sewers there always seems to be plenty of people to fight. Not sure why you would need to stand by the ladders and wait for people unless you did not want a straight up fight and just wanted to get the easy gank kill.

Holycannoli · November 2015

IC should have been like Darkness Falls in DAOC - you only gain entry when your faction controls the keeps so there's a constant rotation and PvP.

I may have actually bought it then. Why did they change it?

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Well, maybe stop picking on weaker players then and go for people that actually want to fight back. Stop trying to bully people that don't want to

Typical weak player answer. you dont want to fight - dont come to IC.

Whoa whoa

Why so edgy?
And btw, if you killed someone on the loading screen doesnt mean they are weak, it means that you're so weak that you have to use such a cheap exploit to kill them.

LBxFinalDeath · November 2015

Typical bad pvp'r response to something that keeps them from fighting those that don't want to fight.

I'm ok with the change, you can tell who actually wants to pvp easier now.

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Typical bad pvp'r response to something that keeps them from fighting those that don't want to fight.

I'm ok with the change, you can tell who actually wants to pvp easier now.

Exactly.
A guy wants to kill pvers and those who are stuck on loadscreens.:D

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO wrote: »

they should have immunity for just a few seconds

Well, actually if you're stuck on loadscreen, your char still spawns, but you cannot control it for a few seconds (or more)because you're still on loadscreen. In early IC days you could load a zone and your char might be already dead. So timed immunity wont help.

Gidorick · November 2015

hehe... I thought you meant their immunity to our climbing them.

kojou · November 2015

Ran into this the other night with a friend. The enemy player ran to the ladder as soon as he was about to be beat and started dancing in the immunity zone. The funny part is when we left the room he came out of the immunity zone after us and we killed him in the hall.

As annoying as it is, it is better than getting ganked right out of the loading screen.

Think of it as "base" when you were a kid playing tag.

NoMoreChillies · November 2015

OP is a griefer
what he fails to understand is:
Once he griefs enough players, they get fed up and leave. Who is he gonna grief then?

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

OP is a griefer
what he fails to understand is:
Once he griefs enough players, they get fed up and leave. Who is he gonna grief then?

One good thing about griefers, is, that the appetite for griefing and upsetting people becomes that strong, that it never is satiated, and then it feeds upon itself, so they are consumed from within.

Tryxus · November 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

OP is a griefer
what he fails to understand is:
Once he griefs enough players, they get fed up and leave. Who is he gonna grief then?

One good thing about griefers, is, that the appetite for griefing and upsetting people becomes that strong, that it never is satiated, and then it feeds upon itself, so they are consumed from within.

Another good thing: griefing is so entertaining that it's a good excuse...

... for POPCORN!!

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

OP is a griefer
what he fails to understand is:
Once he griefs enough players, they get fed up and leave. Who is he gonna grief then?

One good thing about griefers, is, that the appetite for griefing and upsetting people becomes that strong, that it never is satiated, and then it feeds upon itself, so they are consumed from within.

Another good thing: griefing is so entertaining that it's a good excuse...

... for POPCORN!!

Lol aye there is that too, for the most discerning of us who can read between the lines, sounds like you are one of them:}