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How do you feel about the VR replacement ZOS is working on?
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ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »A little context here before this gets too out of hand…
- We’re still working on the system – nothing is finalized. (which is why we’re not really talking much about it yet)
- The intention is that once you hit 50, champion points take over. Veteran Ranks are completely removed.
- When Veteran Ranks are removed, we will convert any Veteran Ranks on your highest character into CP.
- To get a rough idea of balance - think of 10CP = 1 VR. (so 160 CP will roughly = VR16)
Additional Details:
- We’re planning on giving 2.5 CP for every VR level you’ve earned on your highest level character. (40 for a VR16 character)
- When the conversion happens, any player with CP less than their old veteran rank * 10 will instead be given enough CP such that their total is VR * 10. For example: A player is VR14 with 75 CP, they will be given 65 CP (140-75) instead of 40, so that they can still equip any gear they may have.
- We will make sure the 16 attribute picks you got from VR1 to VR16 will carry over. (current plan is an achievement that goes up in 10 CP increments until 160)
Keep in mind that none of the stuff above is 100% locked in. We're still implementing the feature - things are subject to change. It's important that everyone understands they are not suddenly going to have to have 501 CP in order to equip the top level gear. We will introduce new gear, with higher CP requirements sometime in the future, but we won't be making huge jumps. (i.e. - we won't go from 160 to 400 suddenly)
Once we finalize the system and lock in more of the details, we will discuss things in more detail and answer questions.
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How do you feel about the VR replacement ZOS is working on? 499 votes
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This sounds worse than VRI play many alts (none above vet 5), and the current system sorta equals out CP from multiple low-level alts so that I can sorta compete with folks who have one vet 16.
I'll be kinda whomped and left in the dust by this new system.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaNeeds a "Meh" option, as to me it looks like almost exactly the same thing as VR. The main difference is having all "leveling" over 50 being account-side, but also means that there's a lot more there. I don't see how people complain so much about this proposed change (unless you have lots of low-level alts), as it's almost the same as having multiple VR16 chars anyway.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRI admit now that I look at it in the actual thread the options look biased, sorry but I am just shocked as to how they are approaching this! I accidentally forgot and hit ENTER on the second option before I edited or had a chance to add a neutral optionEdited by RAGUNAnoOne on November 20, 2015 5:14AMPS4 NA
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✭Good IdeaRAGUNAnoOne wrote: »I admit now that I look at it in the actual thread the options look biased, sorry but I am just shocked as to how they are approaching this! I accidentally forgot and hit ENTER on the second option before I edited or had a chance to add a neutral option
All good, I'm just trying to stay optimistic that it'll work myselfEdited by MrDerrikk on November 20, 2015 5:16AMI have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRSo VR18 actually is coming to game (and VR20... VR22... VR24...) it's just that they won't call it Veteran Rank...
No, instead they'll call it "Champion Rank 550"... "Champion Rank 600"... etc...
So a few DLCs down the line, when they raise the Champion Cap again, you'll see gear like this:
...and you better hope you're Champ Rank 502 by then!
Good luck trying to balance anything when the people with more Champion Points than you (ya'know, the people who are already stronger than you by virtue of having more CP passives) can also equip better gear than you!
This is lousy game design and is absolutely exclusionary to new players and players with limited play time
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on November 20, 2015 5:34AMReally we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.47 -
RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRMisterBigglesworth wrote: »So VR18 actually is coming to game (and VR20... VR22... VR24...) it's just that they won't call it Veteran Rank...
No, instead they'll call it "Champion Rank 550"... "Champion Rank 600"... etc...
So a few DLCs down the line, when they raise the Champion Cap again, you'll see gear like this:
...and you better hope you're Champ Rank 502 by then.
Good luck trying to balance anything when the people with more Champion Points than you (ya'know, the people who are already stronger than you by virtue of having more CP passives) can also equip better gear than you!
I am probably going to dream that I am my character trying to kill someone for 50 hits while the *** laughs then getting cut in half with one WB from that same person all because of this gear.PS4 NA
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James-Wayne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRI don't play often (family, work etc) so I feel I will be left behind yet again with this system but I guess it all depends on this new gear they are thinking about and how much CP you need to wear it.... I may well end up using old gear because Ill always be a season behind...
I've also been a paying sub since launch yet I see no benefits for that group, guess I'll wait and see and vote with my wallet when it arrives.PERTH, AUSTRALIA | PC | NA | @Aussie-Elders
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaI just wished you guys would play more or better yet move to fallout or something. The vr levels are errrr were fine and you qq them to death so now the cure is worse than the disease. They cannot make you anything that will make all of us happy. Nerf this buff that when has anything been fixed to your satisfaction? Just fix the lag and I will be happy.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.15 -
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✭✭Good IdeaSounds good to me. Nothing is perfect and nothing will make everyone happy, but almost anything is better than the current VR system imo. The transition from normal levels to Vet Ranks is sloppy and shocking. At least this would be a smooth curve from level 1 and up.2 -
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✭✭✭✭This sounds worse than VR"on your highest level character"
Also Wrobel on Reddit:
"There will also be gear scaling and gear will require you to have X champion points. Better items will require more champion points."
Thanks, but no thanks.27 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think they should leave VR in the game its' been so long they shouldn't touch the system#MOREORBS13 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This sounds worse than VRHow would this work in PvP? Will there be cp and no cp campaign? With a lvl 50 cap, being maxed out in cp with high cp gear, you would be a wrecking machine against anyone less then lvl 49.3 -
RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRI just wished you guys would play more or better yet move to fallout or something. The vr levels are errrr were fine and you qq them to death so now the cure is worse than the disease. They cannot make you anything that will make all of us happy. Nerf this buff that when has anything been fixed to your satisfaction? Just fix the lag and I will be happy.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying here I am a very slow leveler yet I never advocated removal of VR because I had a feeling that something worse would come up (though I would advocate renaming them to 50-65 and doing nothing more calling them Vblank is just not right)PS4 NA
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good IdeaThis is unnecessary, but not a problem.
How exactly is this "worse than VR"?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaSounds good.
I dont know how VRs were so bad, we all knew they couldnt keep going with them forever. Did you guys really imagine they are going to increase normal levels to 60 and VRs to 100? And when they are at 100 VR level, theres 50 different endgame material?Edited by Sausage on November 20, 2015 6:38AM1 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭This sounds worse than VRThis is unnecessary, but not a problem.
How exactly is this "worse than VR"?
At the moment someone could have 501 CP, and be vr16 in all legendary vr16 gear, you could have 90 CP and also have full vr16 legendary gear
New system someone could have 501 CP, in all legendary CP300 gear, you could have 90 CP but be limited to say CP50 gear.
The power gap actually widens
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Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaThis means more of the world to explore with my friends and much less time separated by levels!4 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaIm actually excited this finally happens, VR-removal could mean we are closing to an expansion, usualy first expansions hits around 2-2.5 year mark.2 -
FizzOnly✭✭✭Good IdeaAt least they do something.Will it be Perfect? No but you simply cant make it perfect for everybody.
Time will tell how it works out
For PvP what about Campaigns based on your CP Level?If you want to PvP with a friend who has way higher CP Level you can enter it also if you want to.Edited by FizzOnly on November 20, 2015 6:52AM3 -
MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRSounds good.
I dont know how VRs were so bad, we all knew they couldnt keep going with them forever. Did you guys really imagine they are going to increase normal levels to 60 and VRs to 100? And when they are at 100 VR level, theres 50 different endgame material?
You DO REALIZE that this is a bait and switch, right? They are literally just turning V16 gear into CP160 gear... and there will eventually be CP200 gear... and CP550 gear... and CP700 gear... and CP2000 gear...
(put yourself in the shoes of a new player who joins the game 2 years from now)
They actually found a way to continue the endless Vet Rank increases while making it SEEM like they're doing you a favor taking Vet Ranks away...
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on November 20, 2015 7:00AMReally we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.25 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭Well, I do know the CP system SUCKS, thus if it's based on CPs it will likely also suck.
Because I don't grind PvE, I'll probably always be stuck at least a couple hundred CPs below max.
I can understand being underpowered if my gear isn't BiS, but I guess in this game anyone not near the CP cap is underpowered.
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MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good IdeaMisterBigglesworth wrote: »Sounds good.
I dont know how VRs were so bad, we all knew they couldnt keep going with them forever. Did you guys really imagine they are going to increase normal levels to 60 and VRs to 100? And when they are at 100 VR level, theres 50 different endgame material?
You DO REALIZE that this is a bait and switch, right? They are literally just turning V16 gear into CP160 gear... and there will eventually be CP200 gear... and CP550 gear... and CP700 gear... and CP2000 gear...
(put yourself in the shoes of a new player who joins the game 2 years from now)
They actually found a way to continue the endless Vet Rank increases while making it SEEM like they're doing you a favor taking Vet Ranks away...
The main difference being that you don't have to grind VR with every alt; it's an account-wide grind so that it's not as excessive. It will be longer to do through CP being more and slower, but the account-wide leveling appeals to me as I switch between my chars a bit.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds worse than VRAlso how would this work for non-vets anyways? do they get to use the CP3000 gear at level one or will zenimax grow a brain and make CPs inaccessible to characters below 50?PS4 NA
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Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭This sounds worse than VRHopefully they start selling Champion Points in the Crown Store when this system is in place, because I can't -snip-ing stand any more -snip-ing grinding just to stay statistically competitive.Edited by Isbilen on November 20, 2015 7:21AM0 -
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✭This sounds worse than VRThe main difference being that you don't have to grind VR with every alt; it's an account-wide grind so that it's not as excessive. It will be longer to do through CP being more and slower, but the account-wide leveling appeals to me as I switch between my chars a bit.
That's the ONLY good thing about this change LOL!
However... the fact that I can easily have 8 Level 50 alts, all fully equipped with CP300 gear... it's a nice perk, but that's not going to make me more competitive in PVP against people wearing CP501 gear. Same goes for anyone interested in endgame PVE. Imagine looting some epic CP600 gear off the final Murkmire Trial boss... and finding out you now have to grind XP for 40 hours in order to equip it.
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.4 -
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✭Good IdeaMisterBigglesworth wrote: »The main difference being that you don't have to grind VR with every alt; it's an account-wide grind so that it's not as excessive. It will be longer to do through CP being more and slower, but the account-wide leveling appeals to me as I switch between my chars a bit.
That's the ONLY good thing about this change LOL!
However... the fact that I can easily have 8 Level 50 alts, all fully equipped with CP300 gear... it's a nice perk, but that's not going to make me more competitive in PVP against people wearing CP501 gear. Same goes for anyone interested in endgame PVE. Imagine looting some epic CP600 gear off the final Murkmire Trial boss... and finding out you now have to grind XP for 40 hours in order to equip it.
Your second point about having to level up before using a certain level of gear I can understand as I have VR16 gear sitting in the inventory of my DK atm waiting for max level. However, why wouldn't they scale the CP amounts people have in the same way that they do with VR currently in areas such as PvP, new zones and Group Dungeons? If they're replacing VR with CP, then it'd make sense to port the scaling mechanism that they've been working so hard on recently.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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FizzOnly✭✭✭Good IdeaI think Gear will drop off equal to your CP Points?
To all the Haters: What about level1 is the Cap no skill,no attributes...nothing.there you go a person who played this game for over 1000 hours has the same stuff as a new player!sounds great kappa1 -
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✭I actually LoL at all the people who thought VR ranks wouldn't be replaced by another grind heavy system. The game is content light. It's fills the empty space with grind.
LoL even the CP cap feeds into the proposed changes. It keeps the majority of pkayers from being ahead of the curve.
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