A pop up window for Crown Store on char load! Seriously?

Hiero_Glyph · November 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

I never stated that ZOS is forcing me to purchase crowns, but I do not want pop-up ads in a game I already purchased. If a F2P wants to go that route then as a non-paying customer I would consider it somewhat justified. As others have noted there are alternative methods to notify players about new items, such as adding a notification marker in the menu for the Crown Store just like it does when you get new mail or such. Anyway, the point being that there are less obtrusive methods that will get players this information and if done well, then it can also include patch notes with the actual patch instead of forcing players to come to the forums. Other information can be included in this manner as well. The current pop-up system will not support more information without adding more pop-ups. It is effective but extremely limited in function.

As for Warframe, what does an access model have to do with a title screen interface? As @Korah_Eaglecry noted, you are arguing against the wrong thing here. What you should be telling me is why having patch notes and crown store updates on the title screen is bad for ESO.

Ok this caused me to read that you felt this is being forced on players...

"This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it."

While there are other ways...Id argue there are very few effective ways. This thread along identifies this method is most effective in notifying and offering or informing players of such offers as no one has shared it was misinterpreted or overlooked and that's the goal. It's not to force you and nothing forces people....forcing would be if the screen pops and requires you to buy crowns to proceed. That's hardly the situation here.

The patch notes while they have benefit are far too long to appear in this method. Those would be most effective done elsewhere

This serves the purpose as identified by you and others here. It's just that you don't like their approach....that's cool. Click and go...it's not a big deal or impacting anyone negatively other than eye candy

So where in the post you quoted did I say I am being forced to purchase crowns? The fact that the pop-up is forcing the crown store on me has no impact on me purchasing crowns; you made that conclusion all on your own.

As for forcing or not, if I want to purchase an item I know where the crown store is and how to open it. I am now being forced to interact with a pop-up before I can do anything else in-game all because a 'new' item is being offered. Off-topic but I wonder if this will extend to sales on items as well? It is certainly a precipitous slope.

As for the patch notes, why would going outside of the game ever be preffered to viewing them in the client? Wouldn't it be better to offer both for those players that prefer the forums and for those that never visit the forums? I mean the only way the current method is better is if 100% of all active players visit the forums.

Again, if the pop-up was optionial then I could decide if the pop-up was worth the information it provided. Instead this decision has been forced upon me regardless of if the information provided is valuable to me or not. And for the record, it is certainly not eye candy.

In parenthesis I cut and paste your comments and highlighted it in my last reply.

This game is made by a company whose "game" you're going into. In their presentation they get to pick and choose when and where they market, inform, suggest, offer or lack there of.

Patch notes have never been in TES nor have they been in this game. I'd agree that the game would benefit from such information but I also consider it more logical not to be in the game due to the forums.

Each has its place so the pop-up is ZOS' way to inform customers of what they intend to offer. It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's not different than a EULA or Agreement. Each time those change you see them and can choose to read or just bypass.

Patch notes wouldn't be welcome to in-game cause ppl don't read the forums and don't read a lot of in-game things. Perhaps the best approach for changes is to color the text of abilities and a "pop-up" or tool-tip by skill, stat, item, section or whatnot but I've not seen it done successfully in any game so blast off ideas with depictions and maybe they catch on and land in the game. BUT I'd bet your tips are turned off as well as others so you wouldn't see this either. Anything that can be turned off becomes ineffective ways to inform or provide information.

All in all I'm saying it's fine to disagree and dislike but this isn't in any way a big deal as its being considered as in this thread. It's definitely worth feedback but not forced, invasive, restricting or a problem.

MMOs are different beasts than RPGs. One is designed to have frequent updates over several years while the other only has minor updates and a limited DLC. Your analogy is like saying since Warcraft never had patch notes then World of Warcraft doesn't need them either. It's not even close to the same thing just because they are part of the same franchise.

The pop-up ad solution will be effective since players need to see the new item(s) (impulsive purchases) and you cannot acccess the crown store unless you are logged in with a character. The problem is that it has a significant drawback since if the store is updated more frequently it leads to player's getting more pop-up ads. I personally want the crown store to have frequent updates as this is good for ZOS but I do not want the frequent pop-ups that accompany this system, which is why I want an opt-out option. I would personally be fine with only getting pop-ups for major updates as a way to let me know what is new but getting them every time the crown store is updated seems excessive and doesn't promote high quality information.

Alucardo · November 2015

Marrtha wrote: »

Okay now... for everyone.

Omnomnomnom.

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CGPsaint · November 2015

This isn't remotely as bad as EA's in game/menu advertising.

Iluvrien · November 2015

me_ming wrote: »

Honestly, the people that complain about things that they can actually get rid of in a matter of seconds are just plain lazy. Seriously guys, even if, let's say, it's a way for ZoS to advertise their products, it's THEIR product, of course they're suppose to advertise it. What do you expect? And it's not like they have new things in Crown everyday. If ZoS doesn't inform you on things you complain, if they do, you complain. I mean, wtf?! You're not annoyed that they're advertising it, you're annoyed because you have to take the "extra effort" to close it. That's laziness.

Of course it's lazy. It's called me choosing where I want to spend my time. Do I want to spend all of my time wandering around Tamriel having fun? Or do I want to spend some of it closing advertising windows for a component of this game that I wish didn't exist?

Every time it pops up, it reminds me that this game has a Crown Store. I don't want that reminder. I don't want to be reminded of the priority changes, the intentions gone back on, the gradual cheapening of the game experience... all so it can be directly monetised. (as opposed to indirect monetisation through a monthly sub)

I have had an uninterrupted sub since PC early access. I have never failed to support this game financially. Does that mean that I think ZOS shouldn't be annoying me with in-game advertising? You're bloody right I do.

Speely · November 2015

I think a pop-up upon log in that is easily dismissed is far more desirable than a store that contains P2W elements. I don't like to be dismissive, but this complaint seems frivolous and entirely representative of the kind of knee-jerk reactions players often have to monetization.

Islyn · November 2015

Speely wrote: »

I think a pop-up upon log in that is easily dismissed is far more desirable than a store that contains P2W elements. I don't like to be dismissive, but this complaint seems frivolous and entirely representative of the kind of knee-jerk reactions players often have to monetization.

If you wanna call an ongoing feeling since before all ya B2Pers came along, since back when they said it would NEVER be this way, a Knee-jerk reaction the go right ahead. I would call it a last straw, or a long slow burn where just a touch too much gas was thrown on the fire.

Many of us, VALUED this game well before release, put our time and money into it, played in closed and open betas, bought collector's editions and never complained about basically playing a paid beta. We were All For It for the good of the game.

Then B2P/No Subs came along like a big fat lie because that's what it was no matter how anyone wants to sugar coat it. So yeah, I admit I am annoyed with the RE-monetization, because it is crap.

This was never meant to be a Korean MMO or WoW and only people who jumped on the bandwagon AFTER B2P aren't aware of that. It was meant to be TES you could play with other people. That is why many if not most of the people who were here from the start came to play.

I basically feel like I have put far and away Quite Enough Money into this game that any sort of pop up should not be a thing for me to see. No matter how easy it is to close.

It is not about ease of closure. It is about how damn low it is that I have to see it at all. Period.

So just wrap your mind around the fact that this is not some teenage drama vent, this is me stating a fact about how I feel, and I have the right to do that.

As for closing a window, you @Speely never had to open this one in the first place and you're complaining about it! So pot, kettle.

Now imagine if my OP just POPPED UP once a week without your purposefully opening it?

Finally, no matter how much anyone may not like this:
I don't really care about the opinions of people who only came along since the game went b2p and you could dl it for 10 or 20 bucks.

You're not even playing the same game as we did and you have no idea what we went through. The stuff you've said to this point makes that perfectly clear.

So think whatever you want - I really don't care.

Keep in mind though, you and everyone else who opened this post to complain about what it contained without just closing it are hypocrites. ;-)

Speely · November 2015

Erm. I was already a subbing player before TU, and continue to be. I never wanted the game to go B2P, but it did, and I am just happy it didn't go P2W when it happened. It's not what we wanted, but it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Assumptions are sometines unwise, bud.

Also, your analogy doesn't work. A discussion forum is for discussing, among other things, opinions. Which is what is happening here. Sometimes they differ.

Enodoc · November 2015

There are many people who may be interested in what the currently featured items are, and I much prefer this over the use of the System Message. But I do agree that making them optional, particularly for ESO Plus subscribers, would be a good move. In the meantime, I believe removing the pop-ups for PC has been added to the options available with No, thank you.

Islyn · November 2015

Speely wrote: »

Erm. I was already a subbing player before TU, and continue to be. I never wanted the game to go B2P, but it did, and I am just happy it didn't go P2W when it happened. It's not what we wanted, but it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Assumptions are sometines unwise, bud.

Also, your analogy doesn't work. A discussion forum is for discussing, among other things, opinions. Which is what is happening here. Sometimes they differ.

Fair enough, but wait and see.

To crafters being able to buy the whole dwemer/glass motifs might be considered p2w.

People who buy XP scrolls might be considered p2w.

I myself am still months later, up in the air about horse lessons.

Islyn · November 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

There are many people who may be interested in what the currently featured items are, and I much prefer this over the use of the System Message. But I do agree that making them optional, particularly for ESO Plus subscribers, would be a good move. In the meantime, I believe removing the pop-ups for PC has been added to the options available with No, thank you.

Thanks!