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Trying to find a group of "real hardcore" gamers who actually DO dungeons...
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.
As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)
Alright.. But it's more likely that 3/4 members have done it multiple times already and just want to get the key or the helmet. So.. if you wanna do the whole immersion story reading multiple hours dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group and do not try to force players who are bored already upon entering the dungeons into doing so. Because that would be a "richard" move as well, as you'd say.Susano'o
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Sting864✭✭✭✭well at least me the blogger and everyone who I have ever spoken to, read comments from, So, by your own admission, you dont read opposing viewpoints... Because I, most assuredly don't accept that meaning... So by your own admission, I am not part of everyone? You said up there ^^^^ that I was... seen documentaries about. so hardly just me.
your second point doesn't make any sense how does looting vendor trash reading books repeatedly (other than mages guild ones) and listening to the dialogue for the 100th time make these achievements I suggested any easier?
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lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭well at least me the blogger and everyone who I have ever spoken to, read comments from, So, by your own admission, you dont read opposing viewpoints... Because I, most assuredly don't accept that meaning... So by your own admission, I am not part of everyone? You said up there ^^^^ that I was... seen documentaries about. so hardly just me.
your second point doesn't make any sense how does looting vendor trash reading books repeatedly (other than mages guild ones) and listening to the dialogue for the 100th time make these achievements I suggested any easier?
you are quite clearly the exception. One exception however does not disprove my statement that there is a generally held view on what hardcore MMO gaming is and your definition isn't that. It is much closer to the general consensus on what casual play is.0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.
As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)
Alright.. But it's more likely that 3/4 members have done it multiple times already and just want to get the key or the helmet. So.. if you wanna do the whole immersion story reading multiple hours dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group and do not try to force players who are bored already upon entering the dungeons into doing so. Because that would be a "richard" move as well, as you'd say.
Obviously, from past experience, the only ones that can "force" people into a certain playstyle are those players that pull the Richard move (ie...rush ahead) first...
So.. if you wanna do the whole "rushin" dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.
As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)
Alright.. But it's more likely that 3/4 members have done it multiple times already and just want to get the key or the helmet. So.. if you wanna do the whole immersion story reading multiple hours dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group and do not try to force players who are bored already upon entering the dungeons into doing so. Because that would be a "richard" move as well, as you'd say.
Obviously, from past experience, the only ones that can "force" people into a certain playstyle are those players that pull the Richard move (ie...rush ahead) first...
So.. if you wanna do the whole "rushin" dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group
he said try to force not actually force. he doesnt need to look for a special group as it seems he is happy with the way things are. It seems pretty clear to me that the reason he suggested you should look at forming a specific group is because you are the one with certain pet peeves.Edited by lathbury on November 9, 2015 11:28PM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭you are quite clearly the exception. One exception however does not disprove my statement that there is a generally held view on what hardcore MMO gaming is and your definition isn't that. My definition is much closer to the general consensus on what casual play is, in that it adheres to logical and experiential facts...
Also... I dont believe anyone will deny that your definition involves pulling a Richard move... Not even you...Edited by Sting864 on November 9, 2015 11:29PM0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.
As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)
Alright.. But it's more likely that 3/4 members have done it multiple times already and just want to get the key or the helmet. So.. if you wanna do the whole immersion story reading multiple hours dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group and do not try to force players who are bored already upon entering the dungeons into doing so. Because that would be a "richard" move as well, as you'd say.
Obviously, from past experience, the only ones that can "force" people into a certain playstyle are those players that pull the Richard move (ie...rush ahead) first...
So.. if you wanna do the whole "rushin" dungeons thing, I'd suggest you look specifically for such a group
Nope I don't need to search for a rushing group, simply because the majority of the players prefer running the dungeons fast. So here we are again, with you having to search for the special need group if you wanna do the immersion thingy.
And imo, it's a *** move as well if someone slows down the 3 other members because he wants to read a book/listen to NPCs/look at the loot/enjoy the atmosphere.Susano'o
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lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭you are quite clearly the exception. One exception however does not disprove my statement that there is a generally held view on what hardcore MMO gaming is and your definition isn't that. My definition is much closer to the general consensus on what casual play is, in that it adheres to logical and experiential facts...
Also... I dont believe anyone will deny that your definition involves pulling a Richard move... Not even you...
That is a misquote the second time now are you intentionally misquoting me? anyway back to your point how does me pointing out your definition of hardcore MMO play is a little different to what the general consensus equate to my definition includes pulling a richard move. I have not even stated what I define a hardcore player as.Edited by lathbury on November 9, 2015 11:37PM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Nope I don't need to search for a rushing group, simply because the majority of the players prefer running the dungeons fast. So here we are again, with you having to search for the special need group if you wanna do the immersion thingy.
And imo, it's a *** move as well if someone slows down the 3 other members because he wants to read a book/listen to NPCs/look at the loot/enjoy the atmosphere.
Absolutely... It's a Richard move to force one's playstyle on the others in the party.... All I was saying... Be considerate, communicate, don't be a Richard...0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope I don't need to search for a rushing group, simply because the majority of the players prefer running the dungeons fast. So here we are again, with you having to search for the special need group if you wanna do the immersion thingy.
And imo, it's a *** move as well if someone slows down the 3 other members because he wants to read a book/listen to NPCs/look at the loot/enjoy the atmosphere.
Absolutely... It's a Richard move to force one's playstyle on the others in the party.... All I was saying... Be considerate, communicate, don't be a Richard...
no you were saying that people should take their time and people who dont are rushins or richards.0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭
Also... I dont believe anyone will deny that your definition involves pulling a Richard move... Not even you...you are quite clearly the exception. One exception however does not disprove my statement that there is a generally held view on what hardcore MMO gaming is and your definition isn't that. My definition is much closer to the general consensus on what casual play is, in that it adheres to logical and experiential facts...
I believe that was the point of the whole blog (it says so in the title...)That is a misquote the second time now are you intentionally misquoting me? anyway back to your point how does me pointing out your definition of hardcore MMO play is a little different to what the general consensus equate to my definition includes pulling a richard move. I have not even stated what I define a hardcore player as.
Youre right... Everything besides the bold is yours...Edited by Sting864 on November 9, 2015 11:44PM0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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Also... I dont believe anyone will deny that your definition involves pulling a Richard move... Not even you...you are quite clearly the exception. One exception however does not disprove my statement that there is a generally held view on what hardcore MMO gaming is and your definition isn't that. My definition is much closer to the general consensus on what casual play is, in that it adheres to logical and experiential facts...That is a misquote the second time now are you intentionally misquoting me? anyway back to your point how does me pointing out your definition of hardcore MMO play is a little different to what the general consensus equate to my definition includes pulling a richard move. I have not even stated what I define a hardcore player as.
Youre right... Everything besides the bold is yours...
no its not
also intentionally misquoting people is against forum TOC.0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭I believe that was the point of the whole blog (it says so in the title...)
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no as I stated earlier it was to illustrate to you that your definition of hardcore MMO players differs wildy from a genraly held consensus one held by at least one professional paid to comment on MMO's.
Edited by lathbury on November 9, 2015 11:54PM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭
no you were saying that people should take their time and people who dont are rushins or richards.
Being a rushin IS being a Richard... Not being considerate (either way...) IS a Richard... that was my original post (which I doubt you read....) Actually being a rushin is being a Richard was my point... because rushin is inconsiderate.... Who denies that??0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭I'm tired of those "casual" gamers who rush through pledges/group dungeons. Those that feel the need to ignore the great resources (books, dialogue, raw materials...) which ZOS provides in group dungeons need not apply...
Agreed it's slightly annoying that ZoS decided to put so much effort in this, especially when it comes to NPC dialog's wouldn't be able to finish a sentence before they run up and engage a boss.0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Oh boy this dude. No point in trying to discuss anything here.Susano'o
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Sting864✭✭✭✭
differs according to the general consensus?? According to whom?? The author of an op ed blog??0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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no you were saying that people should take their time and people who dont are rushins or richards.
Being a rushin IS being a Richard... Not being considerate (either way...) IS a Richard... that was my original post (which I doubt you read....) Actually being a rushin is being a Richard was my point... because rushin is inconsiderate.... Who denies that??
whether it is or it isn't depends on the context. If nobody has stated they want a slow run then it isn't it is just an efficient use of time.
also if someone stated they wanted the speed achieve then taking time to loot everything and read a book would be a richard move. if someone only had 15 minutes before the real world stepped in the same applies. context is key1 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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differs according to the general consensus?? According to whom?? The author of an op ed blog??
This again as I said you are as far as we are aware the only person ever to describe listening to dialogue and looting vendor trash as defining characteristics of hardcore MMO players.Edited by lathbury on November 10, 2015 12:02AM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
Read the reply below yours... You don't hafta take my word for it.... Besides, if you are VR16 already... there are not enough hours in the day to digest all that content even 1 time through. that means 16 X 850,000 experience points just for VR... which is conservative, considering before the IC DLC, it was 1,000,000 XP...
That is not including XP for levels 1-50...Edited by Sting864 on November 10, 2015 12:11AM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭
differs according to the general consensus?? According to whom?? The author of an op ed blog??
This again as I said you are as far as we are aware the only person ever to describe listening to dialogue and looting vendor trash as defining characteristics of hardcore MMO players.
WE??? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?? If YOU think I'm the only one (which, parenthetically, I never claimed, although tbh is something devoutly to be wished...) you really DON'T read opposing comments...0 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just saying....my guild has to look in EVERY nook an cranny....it takes us well over an hr to do a silver key because we find the need to find BOTH chests and BOTH heavy sacks before saying its complete...
We dont read books, but those urns better watch out. 1 -
me_ming✭✭✭✭✭What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.
As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)
I don't mind when it's someone's first time in a dungeon I can wait. But I understand some people might want to rush things, I have never been in a group that rushed me through a content before, but here's what I think to your "Be considerate of others" and "your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time", when I hit v1, my mindset was that I don't want to slow down my team mates (because we're in a group), so I'd tell them that it was my first time running the dungeon and I needed to listen to the dialogue so I can get the skill point, most of the time they understood, if not, I'd just run through the dungeon, just speak to NPCs as fast as I could (just to get the skill point), and hope that the next time that the pledge is up again, I can listen to the NPC conversations more intently. My point is, you're opinion or your truth is not always right. Your right is not always right. So if you want consideration from others, you have to be considerate yourself as well. Have you considered the fact that the reason why some people run through these pledges is because they have limited time? Or that it really is just a bore to them already because they have run the dungeon x times?
Here's the thing, if you've done each pledge 10x already, I dare you post something like this again. I bet you'll just be like everyone else who has done it 10x or more, by then people will consider you a hypocrite for having this post."We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
"There is always a choice. But you don't get to choose what is true, you only get to choose what you will do about it..."
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lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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differs according to the general consensus?? According to whom?? The author of an op ed blog??
This again as I said you are as far as we are aware the only person ever to describe listening to dialogue and looting vendor trash as defining characteristics of hardcore MMO players.
WE??? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?? If YOU think I'm the only one (which, parenthetically, I never claimed, although tbh is something devoutly to be wished...) you really DON'T read opposing comments...
I have read the opposing posts in not one does anyone else claim that listening to dialogue, reading lore and looting vendor trash is the defining characteristic of a hardcore mmo player. OH and about we I was referiing to we the people reading this thread as you have yet provide us with any evidence that your opinion of what defines a hardcore MMO player is in fact correct.1 -
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Here's the thing, if you've done each pledge 10x already, I dare you post something like this again. I bet you'll just be like everyone else who has done it 10x or more, by then people will consider you a hypocrite for having this post.
Ummm... I've done every pledge at LEAST 10x (often being dragged by someone rushing through, disallowing hearing dialogue or looting, and I've felt this way each time... Rushin' is a Richard move...
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lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
Read the reply below yours... You don't hafta take my word for it.... Besides, if you are VR16 already... there are not enough hours in the day to digest all that content even 1 time through. that means 16 X 850,000 experience points just for VR... which is conservative, considering before the IC DLC, it was 1,000,000 XP...
That is not including XP for levels 1-50...
what does the amount of exp required to level have to do with the subject being disccussed?0 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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Here's the thing, if you've done each pledge 10x already, I dare you post something like this again. I bet you'll just be like everyone else who has done it 10x or more, by then people will consider you a hypocrite for having this post.
Ummm... I've done every pledge at LEAST 10x (often being dragged by someone rushing through, disallowing hearing dialogue or looting, and I've felt this way each time... Rushin' is a Richard move...
No hypocrisy there...
proof or it never happened.
I don't believe you have done veteran white gold tower or veteran Imperial city prison. you also said earlier you rarely do vet dungeonsEdited by lathbury on November 10, 2015 12:54AM1 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm tired of those "casual" gamers who rush through pledges/group dungeons. Those that feel the need to ignore the great resources (books, dialogue, raw materials...) which ZOS provides in group dungeons need not apply...
Usually,when I go into a dungeon and there are others playing with me,I get left behind due to reading the books,or checking out every container.XD0 -
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Um... What do you mean? I've been playing since January (not 24/7 ofc) and I have several vr16 chars.KoshkaMurka wrote: »
Read the reply below yours... You don't hafta take my word for it.... Besides, if you are VR16 already... there are not enough hours in the day to digest all that content even 1 time through. that means 16 X 850,000 experience points just for VR... which is conservative, considering before the IC DLC, it was 1,000,000 XP...
That is not including XP for levels 1-50...
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