Trying to find a group of "real hardcore" gamers who actually DO dungeons...

Sting864

I'm tired of those "casual" gamers who rush through pledges/group dungeons. Those that feel the need to ignore the great resources (books, dialogue, raw materials...) which ZOS provides in group dungeons need not apply...

code65536

When you've done a dungeon literally over 100 times, you are not going to stop to listen to the dialog and smell the flowers.

Yes, I (and I'd imagine most players) take our merry time the first time through a dungeon. But after that? Nah.

UrQuan

First time through a dungeon I always take the time to get all the dialogue etc. On subsequent runs I don't, but if other people in my group want to naturally I don't rush them through it.

Jura23

code65536 wrote: »

When you've done a dungeon literally over 100 times, you are not going to stop to listen to the dialog and smell the flowers.

Yes, I (and I'd imagine most players) take our merry time the first time through a dungeon. But after that? Nah.

Problem is... your first time will most likely be somebody else 100th time and vice versa. In the very same group.

RAGUNAnoOne

UrQuan wrote: »

First time through a dungeon I always take the time to get all the dialogue etc. On subsequent runs I don't, but if other people in my group want to naturally I don't rush them through it.

You seem to be the minority then, I get rushed often...

DT05

What platform, server & alliance are you on/in ?

lathbury

another thread on the same subject. speaking of forum achievements 50% of your threads are closed by moderators not sure I have seen that before.

Masuimi

Since pro tip 1 didn't get through to you..

Pro tip 2:

You shouldn't make 3 topics about the same exact thing

Asherons_Call

I am also at the point where I've cleared most of the solo content and need to start working on group dungeons. Anyone on ps4 want to start a weekly group?

lathbury

Masuimi wrote: »

Since pro tip 1 didn't get through to you..

Pro tip 2:

You shouldn't make 3 topics about the same exact thing

If you include his debut where's the fire its four threads on this lol

Masuimi

lathbury wrote: »

Masuimi wrote: »

Since pro tip 1 didn't get through to you..

Pro tip 2:

You shouldn't make 3 topics about the same exact thing

If you include his debut where's the fire its four threads on this lol

Haha he's very persistent

lathbury

Hardcore

for clarity an mmo jounalist and blogger had this to say

I've come to a much better understanding of how to meaningfully define the term "casual" and "hardcore" since playing (and debating about) GW2.
To make it really simple: casual players, as I'm defining them for this blog, are players who fundamentally consider MMOGs to be experiences to be enjoyed and not games to be won. They will not do things in an MMOG that are not fun (at least not much of it) in order to pursue some kind of "win" or achievement. Wins or achievements are, to a casual player, an added bonus to their enjoyment, not something to be pursued for their own sake via otherwise unenjoyable content.
Hardcore players - again, for the purpose of this blog - are those that primarily play to win some kind of identifiable, meaningful achievement. They are there to have a top-level character in top gear and having acquired all significant achievements. Wins, top power or achievements are, to a hardcore player, the only reason to play a game. Everthing else in the game is, essentially, "fluff".
For the casual player, the fluff is what is of primary concern; for a hardcore player, the fluff is irrelevant.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Meleagar/122012/24316_Understanding-the-Difference-Between-Casual-and-Hardcore-

Bluepitbull13

LMAOL

DenMoria

Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes once y'all come back out in to the light.

I'll bring the sunglasses and sunblock.

Sting864

OK... now I understand... what we have here is a failure to communicate. Some of the "rushins" use other people's blogs to define words for them... Since I'm original, a trailblazer, a real hardcore gamer; I'm not afraid to challenge a paradigm or two, and use my own take on situations...
Let's use some logic instead of some blog...
ZOS provides a large amount of content in pledges, for example...
Pledges ARE NOT the same as Veteran Dungeons, so there are no speed achievements...
Players that are only concerned with endgame content do not take time to loot, listen to dialogue, or read books... IE they only have a CASUAL interest in this content...
Players who consume a larger amount of content are players I consider hardcore...
ERGO, Players who consume a larger amount of the content which ZOS provides are players I consider hardcore...

BTW, I still contend that leaving a party early (Not disbanding, although there you force those in youre group to be unable to loot everything....) is a Richard move...

Also, that link defined casual/hardcore in the singular case of that author... not universally... People, like Cadwell, define things as they want them to be... Perception is reality...

Sting864

Mama always said, "Fluff is as fluff does..."

Valrien

Sting864 wrote: »

OK... now I understand... what we have here is a failure to communicate. Some of the "rushins" use other people's blogs to define words for them... Since I'm original, a trailblazer, a real hardcore gamer; I'm not afraid to challenge a paradigm or two, and use my own take on situations...
Let's use some logic instead of some blog...
ZOS provides a large amount of content in pledges, for example...
Pledges ARE NOT the same as Veteran Dungeons, so there are no speed achievements...
Players that are only concerned with endgame content do not take time to loot, listen to dialogue, or read books... IE they only have a CASUAL interest in this content...
Players who consume a larger amount of content are players I consider hardcore...
ERGO, Players who consume a larger amount of the content which ZOS provides are players I consider hardcore...

BTW, I still contend that leaving a party early (Not disbanding, although there you force those in youre group to be unable to loot everything....) is a Richard move...

Also, that link defined casual/hardcore in the singular case of that author... not universally... People, like Cadwell, define things as they want them to be... Perception is reality...

Pledges are pretty much the same as veteran dungeons. You do a veteran dungeon to get credit for a pledge.

Makkir

"Time is money, friend"
-That lil goblin from WoW

Sting864

Makkir wrote: »

"Time is money, friend"
-That lil goblin from WoW

Exactly why I play ESO...

Sting864

Valrien wrote: »

Pledges are pretty much the same as veteran dungeons. You do a veteran dungeon to get credit for a pledge.

NOT really... When you complete a vet. dungeon, I don't think you get credit for the daily Undaunted pledge. (That's why the Vet. pledge giver is different from the Vet. quest giver...)

dday3six

Sting864 wrote: »

OK... now I understand... what we have here is a failure to communicate. Some of the "rushins" use other people's blogs to define words for them... Since I'm original, a trailblazer, a real hardcore gamer; I'm not afraid to challenge a paradigm or two, and use my own take on situations...
Let's use some logic instead of some blog...
ZOS provides a large amount of content in pledges, for example...
Pledges ARE NOT the same as Veteran Dungeons, so there are no speed achievements...
Players that are only concerned with endgame content do not take time to loot, listen to dialogue, or read books... IE they only have a CASUAL interest in this content...
Players who consume a larger amount of content are players I consider hardcore...
ERGO, Players who consume a larger amount of the content which ZOS provides are players I consider hardcore...

BTW, I still contend that leaving a party early (Not disbanding, although there you force those in youre group to be unable to loot everything....) is a Richard move...

Also, that link defined casual/hardcore in the singular case of that author... not universally... People, like Cadwell, define things as they want them to be... Perception is reality...

Sting864 wrote: »

Mama always said, "Fluff is as fluff does..."

Yes, you're original and trailblazing with arcahaic movie references and misunderstood intro-psych phrases.

Allow me to introduce you to another gaming/social archetype, "the Tryhard". As in, "You try hard, yet fail miserably".

Sting864

dday3six wrote: »

Allow me to introduce you to another gaming/social archetype, "the Tryhard". As in, "You try hard, yet fail miserably".

Hmmm, I'm unfamiliar with that term... I guess you have to BE one to understand it...
... unless you're an Argonian savage...

lathbury

I posted the blog to help illustrate to you that the generally accepted meaning of hardcore mmo play is not what you describe. most people would define what your describing as casual play. So your right there is a failure to communicate when you start placing your own meanings on words that already have a generally accepted definition that will happen.
you also assume a lot just because the people you met weren't interested in the loot or dialogue in that place does not mean they aren't interested in that content what it likely means is they already have listened to all the dialogue read all the books and gathered the loot many times previously and are now concerned with exploring new places getting new achieves.
these people with the hard to get achievements even by your definition are more hardcore as they have consumed more content like sanctum ophidia hardmode vet maelstrom etc.

Sting864

dday3six wrote: »

Yes, you're original and trailblazing with arcahaic movie references and misunderstood intro-psych phrases.
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Don't you understand the significance of using THAT movie reference and "trailblazing" in the same sentence??

Nestor

Sting864 wrote: »

NOT really... When you complete a vet. dungeon, I don't think you get credit for the daily Undaunted pledge. (That's why the Vet. pledge giver is different from the Vet. quest giver...)

This is correct. In fact, each person in the group has to go and get the Pledge Quest before they can do the Pledge content and get credit. Note, if one person in the group has the pledge, then you get to fight the bosses and new mobs, but unless you have the Pledge, you get no Pledge credit for it.

Finally, there are Normal (Silver) and Vet Pledges (Gold). Regular or Normal Mode Group Dungeons are where the Silver Pledges take place. Veteran Pledges take place in the Veteran Dungeon instance of the Dungeon. Pledges are a subset of quests and monsters in a Group Dungeon that appear if one group member has the Pledge.

Matem

Pledge is not a content. Pledge is a quest that takes place in a dungeon, which is the content.

dday3six

Sting864 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Yes, you're original and trailblazing with arcahaic movie references and misunderstood intro-psych phrases.
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Don't you understand the significance of using THAT movie reference and "trailblazing" in the same sentence??

That's the point, most people aren't going to. '67 was long before the average gamer was born...

Sting864

lathbury wrote: »

I posted the blog to help illustrate to you that the generally ?? No one but you, it seems...accepted meaning of hardcore mmo play is not what you describe. most people who do you mean "most," you??would define what your describing as casual play. So your right there is a failure to communicate when you start placing your own meanings on words that already have a generally accepted definition that will happen. like youre doing??
you also assume a lot just because the people you met weren't interested in the loot or dialogue in that place does not mean they aren't interested in that content what it likely means is they already have listened to all the dialogue read all the books and gathered the loot many times previously and are now concerned with exploring new places getting new achieves.
these people with the hard to get achievements even by your definition If you don't take advantage of some of the content, those achievements are harder to achieve, making players who achieve them, by YOUR own definition more hardcore are more hardcore as they have consumed more content like sanctum ophidia hardmode vet maelstrom etc.

Wollust

What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.

lathbury

well at least me the blogger and everyone who I have ever spoken to, read comments from, seen documentaries about. the majority of people in this very thread.so hardly just me. you are in fact the only player I have heard define hardcore as you have ever.
your second point doesn't make any sense how does looting vendor trash reading books repeatedly (other than mages guild ones) and listening to the dialogue for the 100th time make these achievements I suggested any easier?

Sting864

Wollust wrote: »

What's the point of listening to the same NPC blablabla +80 times? Reading the same book +80 times? And looting is done by pressing one button, no need to take a closer look as it's more or less always the same stuff.

As has been said by others, your 80+ time may be some other party members' 1st time... Be considerate of others, don't be a Richard... (Wil Wheaton's 1st rule of Gaming...)