ESO trading system - the worst I have ever experienced in a game

goaway · November 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

And this can't happen with the current system? If one guild wanted to do this badly enough they can send every member to different traders to do just this, buy every cheap item then resell at their guild for more.

A lot of trading guild already do this, and many of the larger/more prominent trading guilds are allied together so that they and their allies can organize to hold the best trading spots....

I enjoy playing the game for its game content, though, and the strange trading system is sometimes bothersome but otherwise not a huge deal for me.

It would be nice if bidding on traders was a little more streamlined, but I understand why they set the system up the way they did for now. Hopefully they find a better system for it, though. Blind bids, only being able to bid on one trader, not knowing if you are near being outbid, no in game way to know how much a trader is generally going for...those things don't seem to be ideal to me. But they seem to be set up that way to try to control monopolization and such.

Being able to bid on say, 3 traders, or even two, and set preferential order in case you get outbid on your first choice, that would be nice. Being able to view the last winning bid might be nice too, but also might inflate the trader cost. Just ideas.

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

Lynnessa wrote: »

@RAGUNAnoOne , I am pretty sure the question of whether there will be a global auction house has been answered, and the answer was no.

the point I was trying to make is that the staff does not bother to communicate to players on serious issues or even help out with minor stuff or questions when they know they can and just outright refuse. it is just really starting to tick me off every time I see something like a simple thing moved that anyone can answer yet no one bothers to. yet you throw in a cute or fun thread all of a sudden at least one ZOS person is participating WTF! I may as well shut up before I take this too far

Elsonso · November 2015

Lynnessa wrote: »

@RAGUNAnoOne , I am pretty sure the question of whether there will be a global auction house has been answered, and the answer was no.

This is true, and it was a very strong NO compared to a lot of answers from ZOS. It was very close to a "No, and stop asking" response from them.

This is why I have suggested better searching capabilities, like Awesome Guild Store, for people who are buying. This is critical on the console so that players can find stuff faster when they reach the stalls.

This is why I have suggested more Guild Kiosks, to allow more guilds and more traders to sell wares.

This is why I have suggested better history tools to find out what an item has sold for, especially on the consoles. This is really the only way to tell the difference between asking prices that are too high or too low vs what an item is actually worth to prior buyers at that trader.

I am not for a non-guild way to access trader stalls, mainly because this competes against the trade guilds. For as much as people hate on the trade guilds, it is the foundation for the formal commerce system. I don't see that ever changing because it adds a commerce dynamic to the game that is far more interesting than open access stalls and auction houses.

goaway · November 2015

Kismias wrote: »

I will say that as a new player the trading system absolutely sucks. However once you at least one play to finish the questline and get you access to different trading hubs it gets much easier. I myself have three main hubs I check routinely for armor and materials, Glenumbra, Stormhaven and Reaper's March. There are others of course but to be honest between those three hubs and the two trading guilds I can access at the bank I pretty much find whatever I need most of the time.

I DO NOT want to see a global auction house. Those things are horrible and inevitably you end up with either artificially low or artificially high prices. MMO economies do not operate under the same rules as a real world market so the laws of supply and demand don't work as effectively. Countries that have lots of tariffs and subsidies generally have poor performing markets and MMOs by design have artificially created markets. Every time a patch changes the drop rate of this item or makes another item less powerful and thus less appealing that is essentially the same as imposing a tariff or subsidy.

I like it as it is right now that if someone really really wants a good deal they will put the extra legwork in and if your are like me and just want a decent price you zip to the bank and the couple of regular trade hubs.

I think mostly people like to complain about the prices and such. I think most people like to complain, in general. I know I do sometimes. However, I agree with you. Standard real world economics don't apply quite as effectively to a trade market in an MMO.
I think no matter what system they set up, lots of people will complain, because, well, that's just how people are. You do you, everyone. You do you.

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Lynnessa wrote: »

@RAGUNAnoOne , I am pretty sure the question of whether there will be a global auction house has been answered, and the answer was no.

This is true, and it was a very strong NO compared to a lot of answers from ZOS. It was very close to a "No, and stop asking" response from them.

This is why I have suggested better searching capabilities, like Awesome Guild Store, for people who are buying. This is critical on the console so that players can find stuff faster when they reach the stalls.

This is why I have suggested more Guild Kiosks, to allow more guilds and more traders to sell wares.

This is why I have suggested better history tools to find out what an item has sold for, especially on the consoles. This is really the only way to tell the difference between asking prices that are too high or too low vs what an item is actually worth to prior buyers at that trader.

I am not for a non-guild way to access trader stalls, mainly because this competes against the trade guilds. For as much as people hate on the trade guilds, it is the foundation for the formal commerce system. I don't see that ever changing because it adds a commerce dynamic to the game that is far more interesting than open access stalls and auction houses.

I tried offering a compromise idea as well (shameless plug)http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229968/guest-passes-a-new-guild-trader-concept#latest

HairyFairy · November 2015

I think that the only wrong this system has is the number of guild traders in major hub cities.

Let's just use Mournehold for an example. Before Orsinium (because most large trade guilds moved with the DLC) Mournehold was where the major Trade Guilds were located, and there spots were never gone.

Why were these guilds always in the same place every week? The amount of money they had coming in, and their ability to buy out the guild trader over anyone else.

Now I see two solutions to this area.

1.) More guild traders to see new guilds coming into the area and competing for a good spot.

2.) Vary the guild traders prices. By this I mean make it so certain guild traders are more expensive than the others. Yet you then will have the need to make certain guild traders (the more expensive ones) be worth the expense.

Perhaps the least expensive guild traders roam the town. High end guilds will wan't a permanent stall as it is now, so now new trade guilds can acquire these guild traders that roam, as a way of making it in the big city (Mournehold)

Eventually since this city is a major hub, the new trade guilds will expand in wealth, and be able to compete.

This should not happen everywhere, however only in one major hub city of each faction, and in new DLC.
(Yes you can get a guild trader in the criminal districts of cities....lol. But these are hardly worth it.)

Kyros · November 2015

Kyros wrote: »

EDS604 wrote: »

also, global AH is a auction bot magnet. in archeage we had bots standing at the auctioneers, buying everything automatically that was under a certain price. tradeguilds make it hard for bots to control the economy.
to be fair, i am rlly happy with the trading system here in eso

@EDS604
still if you want you can bot
i have 4 account on EU and 4 acocunt on US
its 20 top trading guilds for each realm, its like the same as global AH, because other lower guilds usually cant give me more profit than i already have

and i already making like 10 million gold/month per realm
its enough to live, to buy everything i need and my wife need, and even enough for my kid, he will born very soon.

so the only difference between glogal ah and ESO system - for eso system you just need more accounts to bot at the guild stores

so as long as gold are tradeable - i will warm it at the guilsstores and sell it
because i can just spent 2 hours a day, and do not to go to other job, to have $1200+ per month

when average salary in my town ~ $150/month

Anasatsudo · November 2015

This is one aspect of the game that I absolutely hate. I wouldn't mind so much having a "Zone trader" that handled the guilds for the zone, but having to go through every single trader to find a single item sucks.

If I had designed the system:

- The guild has to pay a certain amount per week to be listed on the auction house, per zone, that they wanted to be listed under. Say.. 1500g.
- If the guild wanted to be listed in Alik'r for example, the Guild Leader would go to the Alki'r Trade Master, request for the Guild to be listed, and then pay the NPC for the week.
- If a guild member wanted something to be listed in Alik'r, they would need to go to Alik'r, talk to the Trade Master, and put the item on the market.

BTW: You're not allowed to use the forums to request an item or look for trades.. threads that get created for that get locked by the admins. Yet another stupid decision by ZOS.

NobleNerd · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

One thing that would help (not a real fix) would be to take all those out of the way Traders and bring them into the cities with the other ones. I doubt many even use those that are out in the wilds by themselves. Adding them to the ones in the cities will give them more value.

Even with that though, it is just too much a pain to shop for rare items. I do not want to play the hour (or more) long mini game of wayshrine hopping to find a special recipe, item, etc.

rager82b14_ESO · November 2015

NobleNerd wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

Yup, Gw2 has the best AH system to date.

The only thing that a Global AH would hurt is the Trade guilds that already control the market. I bet some of the people posting now who keep saying no is in one of them.

I also hope that the developers get irked by players keep asking for it. We will never stop, until they understand that the system is bad, and they should feel bad.

Scyantific · November 2015

HairyFairy wrote: »

(Yes you can get a guild trader in the criminal districts of cities....lol. But these are hardly worth it.)

Guildmate bought a Kuta for 10g from an outlaw refuge trader so yeah it is very worth it...

...for they buyer

NobleNerd · November 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Why do people think that things like an AH will suddenly make things equal for all people at all times?

It simply isn't possible, its the illusion people want. Wasn't there a movie like this...

The ONLY reason people want an AH is so that the market will get flooded with all the items they need/want, thereby destroying the supply/demand system of Guild Traders, reducing the value of everything to near nothing so they can get it for basically peanuts once prices crash.

So basically, they're angry that they have to pay money for things that are "in demand" right now.

Supply and demand only works if people can easily find the items they want to purchase and sellers have a reliable system to effectively sell items. The Trading system in ESO does not provide that to the larger portion of its players.

EDS604 · November 2015

Kyros wrote: »

Kyros wrote: »

EDS604 wrote: »

also, global AH is a auction bot magnet. in archeage we had bots standing at the auctioneers, buying everything automatically that was under a certain price. tradeguilds make it hard for bots to control the economy.
to be fair, i am rlly happy with the trading system here in eso

@EDS604
still if you want you can bot
i have 4 account on EU and 4 acocunt on US
its 20 top trading guilds for each realm, its like the same as global AH, because other lower guilds usually cant give me more profit than i already have

and i already making like 10 million gold/month per realm
its enough to live, to buy everything i need and my wife need, and even enough for my kid, he will born very soon.

so the only difference between glogal ah and ESO system - for eso system you just need more accounts to bot at the guild stores

so as long as gold are tradeable - i will warm it at the guilsstores and sell it
because i can just spent 2 hours a day, and do not to go to other job, to have $1200+ per month

when average salary in my town ~ $150/month

correct me if i'm wrong here, but are you saying here that you're a goldseller? :P

Asherons_Call · November 2015

Hope499 wrote: »

Meh, I love how trading and selling works in this game, its actually great.

"Oh boo hoo, I am not in a guild that has a store! wahhhh"

Guess what? Do something about it. message people who have items for sale in the guild, find out how to join, join area chat and ask, there are ways to get in there.

and then you are making 50k + a week in sales, and will be happy.

Its easy if you take the effort.

The issue is with buying, not selling.

Gidorick · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

Yup, Gw2 has the best AH system to date.

The only thing that a Global AH would hurt is the Trade guilds that already control the market. I bet some of the people posting now who keep saying no is in one of them.

I also hope that the developers get irked by players keep asking for it. We will never stop, until they understand that the system is bad, and they should feel bad.

Really... then here ya go: https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en/play-for-free

rager82b14_ESO · November 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Really...then here ya go: https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en/play-for-free

I already play it. Much better game, but my feedback will one day shape this game to be better than gw2. You should be grateful to me that I put forth the time to give amazing feedback.

Callous2208 · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Really...then here ya go: https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en/play-for-free

I already play it. Much better game, but my feedback will one day shape this game to be better than gw2. You should be grateful to me that I put forth the time to give amazing feedback.

Lol this game is so far ahead of gw2 in so many aspects it's not even funny. Gw1, great game. Gw2, in my top 5 worst mmos to ever hit the market. So no, I'm not grateful for your misguided feedback. You should feel bad for even mentioning that pointless game.

rager82b14_ESO · November 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Really...then here ya go: https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en/play-for-free

I already play it. Much better game, but my feedback will one day shape this game to be better than gw2. You should be grateful to me that I put forth the time to give amazing feedback.

Lol this game is so far ahead of gw2 in so many aspects it's not even funny. Gw1, great game. Gw2, in my top 5 worst mmos to ever hit the market. So no, I'm not grateful for your misguided feedback.

Gw2 has the best ah system to date. Best cash shop system to date. Worse Necromancer class to date. Both teams are bad when it comes to class balance, but gw2 pvp is better because of arena.

Overall GW2 is the better game. As long as things like this bad AH system, and animation cancels stays like it is. ESO will always be a lesser mmo to gw2. I however like eso story, and pve elements better. It is not enough.

Kyros · November 2015

EDS604 wrote: »

Kyros wrote: »

Kyros wrote: »

EDS604 wrote: »

also, global AH is a auction bot magnet. in archeage we had bots standing at the auctioneers, buying everything automatically that was under a certain price. tradeguilds make it hard for bots to control the economy.
to be fair, i am rlly happy with the trading system here in eso

@EDS604
still if you want you can bot
i have 4 account on EU and 4 acocunt on US
its 20 top trading guilds for each realm, its like the same as global AH, because other lower guilds usually cant give me more profit than i already have

and i already making like 10 million gold/month per realm
its enough to live, to buy everything i need and my wife need, and even enough for my kid, he will born very soon.

so the only difference between glogal ah and ESO system - for eso system you just need more accounts to bot at the guild stores

so as long as gold are tradeable - i will warm it at the guilsstores and sell it
because i can just spent 2 hours a day, and do not to go to other job, to have $1200+ per month

when average salary in my town ~ $150/month

correct me if i'm wrong here, but are you saying here that you're a goldseller? :P

yes ofc
and this account banned long ago, idk why i can posting

Vulsahdaal · November 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

HairyFairy wrote: »

(Yes you can get a guild trader in the criminal districts of cities....lol. But these are hardly worth it.)

Guildmate bought a Kuta for 10g from an outlaw refuge trader so yeah it is very worth it...

...for they buyer

Saw this and had to mention, I bought a Kuta for 200g some weeks ago from an out of the way trader. This is why as a buyer, I support the current system over an AH. I really can not see how as a buyer, AH would help me at all?
When I shop at the traders, I look for deals. I start at lowest price and work my way up, seeing whats available and for how much. Ive gotten some great deals on things I didnt even know I was looking for that way.
Im not sure how this would work in an AH? Im sure there is a way to sort items by price, but would I have to go through 30 pages of Adamantite for 2g, then 30 pages of Bone for 2g, etc etc for all items? To me, that would be a huge time waster.
Also, the Kuta I got had been listed for 2 days. Somehow I dont believe it would have lasted that long in an AH, I suspect it would have been snatched up seconds after it hit the market (either by a dealer to resell, or anyone really) and I would never have a chance to get it.
As far as finding a specific item, only once I had trouble locating a certain recipe for a writ. Otherwise it seems that almost anything can be found by visiting one or two major cities. It doesnt take much time at all to hit a city or 2.
What does take time, is finding the item you want, then continuing to shop looking for the cheaper price. I suspect this is an issue with those calling for an AH, but the thing is if your time is limited, just grab it from the seller in front of you and go. Ive done it in a hurry. If Im not, then Ill shop around. If you put the time in, like the day I found the Kuta (and many similar deals in the past) then you should be rewarded with the cheaper price. Thats how I see it anyway.
As to the recipe I had trouble finding, I did visit many cities, than outside traders I remembered and still no one had it. I lost about 45 min time there, but I solved the problem in less than 5 minutes (and honestly I could have solved it earlier) by using WTB in zone chat. I feel for those on console who dont have this, I believe you guys do have a valid complaint, but I'll stop here as there is room for only one horse corpse in this thread for us to beat

In the end, I also just wanted to say to those who think its only big time sellers who like the trader system, that as I buyer Id rather have the current trader system than an AH also..

Glorious_One · November 2015

Everyone that plays this on console should give up on the game TBH. I dont see them adding any basic features that we require (text chat, an Auction House, angrouping system that actually works, Scrolling Damge/Healing Text).

Fallout 4 comes out this week I suggest diveing into that. Or buy a PC and play this game on that platform.

Asherons_Call · November 2015

Glorious_One wrote: »

Everyone that plays this on console should give up on the game TBH. I dont see them adding any basic features that we require (text chat, an Auction House, angrouping system that actually works, Scrolling Damge/Healing Text).

Fallout 4 comes out this week I suggest diveing into that. Or buy a PC and play this game on that platform.

Even with the shortcomings of console I still find myself drawn to it.. I'll probably be dual wielding ESO and FO4 as much as I can.. Lol

Glorious_One · November 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

Everyone that plays this on console should give up on the game TBH. I dont see them adding any basic features that we require (text chat, an Auction House, angrouping system that actually works, Scrolling Damge/Healing Text).

Fallout 4 comes out this week I suggest diveing into that. Or buy a PC and play this game on that platform.

Even with the shortcomings of console I still find myself drawn to it.. I'll probably be dual wielding ESO and FO4 as much as I can.. Lol

Some people can deal with hownit is, others (like myself) that have played mmos on console before, that have been asking for these features should honestly just give up on the game. I seriously doubt they will change their mind on adding/enablimg these features anytime soon.

Scyantific · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Really...then here ya go: https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en/play-for-free

I already play it. Much better game, but my feedback will one day shape this game to be better than gw2. You should be grateful to me that I put forth the time to give amazing feedback.

Then get out

Makkir · November 2015

With the minimal amount of gold sinks in this game, and the very small handful of consumables that are actually fluid in this game...a global auction would be devastating to everyone. At least right now, the time it takes to search every single trade vendor for what you want slows down introduction of items to players until at least the next DLC where new items because the next top sellers.

Want proof? I sold three ambrosia recipes for 150k (yes after the potions were on the crown store) some time ago, maybe 2 months ago. Now I think you can get them for under 70k. If there was a global auction house, this deflation would have occurred a long time ago. The current guild trade system slows this process down.

Just imagine the prices on your ancient orc motifs and the AP ones if there was a global auction house. It would be an undercutting war to no end.

This is a huge problem in an MMO where every one and his mother is walking around with millions of gold and nothing to spend it on.

If an Auction House were implemented, SEVERAL changes would need to be made
- Cap on skill points or a limit to how many professions a character can learn/have....less crafters out there means more value on items that come from writs/crafters....like glass fragments because ideally there would be less entering the economy
- More consumables, maybe even have armor/weapons break like they did in Star Wars Galaxies (gear would then need to be easier to obtain)
- More gold sinks, can be cosmetic items
- Crafters can make repair kits
- Keep chinese IPs from being allowed on American servers

Stop being short sighted and inconvenienced that you have to spend time looking for what you want instead of relying on the MMO Drive-thru to give it to you. Our current system is a blessing given the circumstances. Yes the UI needs improvements.

Alphashado · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Why do people think that things like an AH will suddenly make things equal for all people at all times?

It simply isn't possible, its the illusion people want. Wasn't there a movie like this...

The ONLY reason people want an AH is so that the market will get flooded with all the items they need/want, thereby destroying the supply/demand system of Guild Traders, reducing the value of everything to near nothing so they can get it for basically peanuts once prices crash.

So basically, they're angry that they have to pay money for things that are "in demand" right now.

Wrong yet again.

Global AH=Increase in demand. Does not destory it. The guild Trader system is bad in the first place. As it is already being abused by guilds who control the market.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. GW2 system you can find anything you want for basically free because the market is flooded with thousands and thousands of each item at vendor cost..... unless it's rare. Rare items are even more expensive

NobleNerd wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

WoW is NOT a global system. WoW is broken up into 250 individual servers. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status. Now combine all those servers into one single server, and then WoW would be a global system.

There is a HUGE difference, and the above quote perfectly exemplifies the flawed argument of this debate. MOST people asking for a global auction house do NOT understand the difference.

I would LOVE to see a smaller, isolated auction house like we had with WoW servers, but its not possible with a mega server. I wish people would understand this.

This debate will never reflect realistic discussion unless the topic of conversation (global auction house) is truly understood by the majority of people asking for one.

Hateanthem · November 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Why do people think that things like an AH will suddenly make things equal for all people at all times?

It simply isn't possible, its the illusion people want. Wasn't there a movie like this...

The ONLY reason people want an AH is so that the market will get flooded with all the items they need/want, thereby destroying the supply/demand system of Guild Traders, reducing the value of everything to near nothing so they can get it for basically peanuts once prices crash.

So basically, they're angry that they have to pay money for things that are "in demand" right now.

Wrong yet again.

Global AH=Increase in demand. Does not destory it. The guild Trader system is bad in the first place. As it is already being abused by guilds who control the market.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. GW2 system you can find anything you want for basically free because the market is flooded with thousands and thousands of each item at vendor cost..... unless it's rare. Rare items are even more expensive

NobleNerd wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

WoW is NOT a global system. WoW is broken up into 250 individual servers. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status. Now combine all those servers into one single server, and then WoW would be a global system.

There is a HUGE difference, and the above quote perfectly exemplifies the flawed argument of this debate. MOST people asking for a global auction house do NOT understand the difference.

I would LOVE to see a smaller, isolated auction house like we had with WoW servers, but IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITH A MEGA SERVER. I wish people would understand this.

This debate will never reflect realistic discussion unless the topic of conversation (global auction house) is truly understood by the majority of people asking for one.

There is a difference between global, which in WoW can mean realm wide, and what you are saying. Some of the realms probably have an equal or greater pop then ESO, so the whole too many people argument is moot.

Personally it doesn't bother me the way it is.

Alphashado · November 2015

Hateanthem wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Why do people think that things like an AH will suddenly make things equal for all people at all times?

It simply isn't possible, its the illusion people want. Wasn't there a movie like this...

The ONLY reason people want an AH is so that the market will get flooded with all the items they need/want, thereby destroying the supply/demand system of Guild Traders, reducing the value of everything to near nothing so they can get it for basically peanuts once prices crash.

So basically, they're angry that they have to pay money for things that are "in demand" right now.

Wrong yet again.

Global AH=Increase in demand. Does not destory it. The guild Trader system is bad in the first place. As it is already being abused by guilds who control the market.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. GW2 system you can find anything you want for basically free because the market is flooded with thousands and thousands of each item at vendor cost..... unless it's rare. Rare items are even more expensive

NobleNerd wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Played WoW for 9 years and never had an issue with a global AH. The system they have in ESO is just asinine and horribly broken.

WoW is NOT a global system. WoW is broken up into 250 individual servers. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status. Now combine all those servers into one single server, and then WoW would be a global system.

There is a HUGE difference, and the above quote perfectly exemplifies the flawed argument of this debate. MOST people asking for a global auction house do NOT understand the difference.

I would LOVE to see a smaller, isolated auction house like we had with WoW servers, but IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITH A MEGA SERVER. I wish people would understand this.

This debate will never reflect realistic discussion unless the topic of conversation (global auction house) is truly understood by the majority of people asking for one.

There is a difference between global, which in WoW can mean realm wide, and what you are saying. Some of the realms probably have an equal or greater pop then ESO, so the whole too many people argument is moot.

Personally it doesn't bother me the way it is.

It's not even close. Worst-case estimations of the ESO game population is 300k-400k. Best-case estimations are close to a million. Now look at the number of accounts per server on WoW http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php

The term "global auction house" when used correctly, is in reference to an auction house on a game with a mega server. Every account on a mega server game would be using the same exact auction house. Games like WoW, Rift, SWTOR, LOTRO do not have global auction houses.

ESO is broken up into phases. There are several hundred phases of each zone or location, but everyone is playing on the same two servers.

When you go into a major city like Wayrest, or any zone for that matter, you are not seeing the total population of the players in the game all in the zone at the same time. You are only seeing a small fraction of the game's population playing on the same phase of that zone you are.

nimander99 · November 2015

Honestly this isn't going to be a problem much longer as everything is becoming bind on pick up anyhooser...

Makkir · November 2015

@Alphashado may as well save your breath, there are new generation gamers here that will not ever understand the impact a global AH would have on this game.

I think it's funny to read the arguments "WoW has a auction house and I never had a problem over there."
Comparing apples to oranges again, this game is substantially different than WoW. How many competent players in WoW are running around with crafted gear? They're comparing a game that is 100% loot centric (meaning all the best gear comes from PvE raids) to a game that is somewhat crafter centric, at least more crafter centric than WoW is or ever was.

I never had a problem with my cat using a litter box, so I don't understand why my dog would have an issue using one...haha, same argument