ESO trading system - the worst I have ever experienced in a game

Groggolo · November 2015

Title should say it all, but a system that forces players to travel across a huge map to visit guild merchants that most of the times have very scarce inventories, and re apply every time the search filters, is just a horrible design.

I want to use my time in the game to have fun, not to endlessly search for the equipment I need.

On top of this, on the forum it is not possible to make trading posts, and on Ps4 there is no in game chat....what is the rationale behind this, make player frustrated and angry?

Create at least a global list of what all the guild merchants hold, so I can make a global search and see which merchant has the item i want, I do not mind then traveling there to buy it.

I am having serious doubts about the competencies of the designers behind something like this....

Digiman · November 2015

Yes I am also hoping they stream line trading more. The reason for this was because they thought that things on a megaserver would be sold very cheaply because the mass population of players would make acquiring rare items would accumulate quickly.

Original you could only buy things from the guild you were in. But on the list of things ZoS needs to address, this would be very low on the priority list.

Malmai · November 2015

We need Auction House or whatever the search system is dumb...

rager82b14_ESO · November 2015

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Akrasjel · November 2015

It's not that bad...

Go try trading in PoE

Malmai · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Yep, MMO without AH just LOL

Sausage · November 2015

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

MrGrimey · November 2015

My problems are the buggy load times from checking the 5 different zones for traders

Sausage · November 2015

Ive actually thought that Trade Guilds member size should be lowered in fact. 50 member per guild and only one guild per account. That should make sure every GAH spot is taken everywhere around Tamriel.

AlnilamE · November 2015

Yeah, console really needs a better interface (as does vanilla PC). The AwesomeGuildStore addon makes life much easier when you are searching for something specific.

But no, we don't need an auction house. And if they ever implemented it across the megaserver, I suppose it would take an hour to complete each search.

Vangy · November 2015

Say no to global AH please. People are already controlling the market on items. If you look carefully certain items are almost always sold by the same guild/person. They are buying up and reposting at their set price. At least now they have to put in effort to control market. If we had a global AH they are just going to use their gazillion gold and play monopoly. The biggest losers will be the average players with a few hundred k gold. Dont. Just dont.

EDS604 · November 2015

also, global AH is a auction bot magnet. in archeage we had bots standing at the auctioneers, buying everything automatically that was under a certain price. tradeguilds make it hard for bots to control the economy.
to be fair, i am rlly happy with the trading system here in eso

TheShadowScout · November 2015

I like the trading system in ESO.

Sure, its a bit unwieldy... but that is a good thing IMO, it makes it more interesting.

Although, I kinda wish the interface would remember your last trade search terms, and use them again if you browse a different traders inventory... just so you don't have to set it all over again when looking for something from different traders...

RatedChaotic · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

This is not possible. Not one or a group can control a AH that thousands use. L2P. Ill just uncut those guys and my item gets sold to them or someonelse. Either way my item gets sold for 125k. Thanks for more profit.

You will also have muliple people or groups thinking they can control it and the outcome will be nobody is in control. Your argument is invalid.

On a side note. I've seen alot of these big trade guilds selling their stacks of v15-v16 mats for 100k+. But I've been buying from social guilds at a fraction of that price.

BalticBlues · November 2015

At least ZOS should give people a LOAD/SAVE capability for Search Filters.
Having to set all search filters again and again for each guild trader is a pain in the ****.
On PC, there are great addons for this, but on console the guild trader interface is terrible.

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

And this can't happen with the current system? If one guild wanted to do this badly enough they can send every member to different traders to do just this, buy every cheap item then resell at their guild for more.

Jura23 · November 2015

Ppl say ESO needs auction house, but it already has one. It's called Belkarth guild traders. Those guilds there have huge advantage. So it's more like ESO needs proper auction house where everybody can participate.

Gidorick · November 2015

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Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept

Sausage · November 2015

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

This is not possible. Not one or a group can control a AH that thousands use. L2P. Ill just uncut those guys and my item gets sold to them or someonelse. Either way my item gets sold for 125k. Thanks for more profit.

You will also have muliple people or groups thinking they can control it and the outcome will be nobody is in control. Your argument is invalid.

On a side note. I've seen alot of these big trade guilds selling their stacks of v15-v16 mats for 100k+. But I've been buying from social guilds at a fraction of that price.

Screw thousands, 10+ mill played Diablo 3 and it happened alot there. Most people just exploited the AH then there was those who grinded all gold.

Hammy01 · November 2015

Vangy wrote: »

Say no to global AH please. People are already controlling the market on items. If you look carefully certain items are almost always sold by the same guild/person. They are buying up and reposting at their set price. At least now they have to put in effort to control market. If we had a global AH they are just going to use their gazillion gold and play monopoly. The biggest losers will be the average players with a few hundred k gold. Dont. Just dont.

Like you said.. people are already controlling the market but they just have to put a little time into it. This current system does nothing to these people other than having to put a little more effort into it. However not having an AH or a global search feature does hurt the player base as a lot of people won't bother spending their game time traveling around from Kiosk to Kiosk to look for goods that may or not be there.

If that is all people are concerned about is people controlling the market then ZOS could implement anti-monopoly measures thus preventing specific peoples/guilds from cornering the market.

Morimizo · November 2015

Couldn't auction or global economy exploiters be controlled somewhat by limiting the amount of purchases made by an account, either by price or quantity (or both)?

Everyone should be able to participate in the economy, and the guild system is exclusive.

And completely agree the search parameters should at least be saved when hunting for an item. Ridiculously laborious, and NOT FUN. Like getting passed from representative to representative when calling customer service, having to repeat the same story (and give your name and other personal info etc.), over and over, and then passed to someone else who has no idea what's going on or who you are.

Lamiai · November 2015

this thread yet again!

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Guild Trader isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of prime Guild Traders, and then we're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buys all VR 15-16 mats in the area for 100k, put them back on his Guild Trader as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Sausage · November 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Guild Trader isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of prime Guild Traders, and then we're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buys all VR 15-16 mats in the area for 100k, put them as 1mil. Is this what you really want?

Lets say theres 10 Trade Guilds, one person can belong to 5 of them, how he can control them all?

There should be more Trade Guilds what I said, in order to do so, they need to lower the member size amount.

Gidorick · November 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Guild Trader isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of prime Guild Traders, and then we're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buys all VR 15-16 mats in the area for 100k, put them back on his Guild Trader as 150k. Is this what you really want?

sooo...

RizaHawkeye · November 2015

Funny this thread should appear today.

I just spent an hour looking for a recipe for a crafting writ at every guild merchant in Glenumbra. Finally, in desperation I tried Zone Chat. Immediately, someone tells me to go to the guild merchants. When I tell them I've already been there, the responds was (truly): "I doubt you've checked every guild merchant in the game."

Finally, I get a tell from another player who says their guild has "a lot" of recipes. I should check it. In fact, this player will teleport me to the guild merchant. I'm like, okay, sure.

Sure enough, the merchant had tons of recipes ... and these recipes are three and four times (or more) - what they bring elsewhere. Green recipes selling for 200 gold or more. And judging from what I saw on the merchant inventory, they are mostly (it seems) recipes needed for crafting writs.

So yeah, I paid 200 gold and got my recipe. Meh. It's just gold. But if Zeni thinks the current system prevents people from trying to control the market, then they are freakin naive.

ShadowDisciple · November 2015

NO AH PLS

RizaHawkeye · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Guild Trader isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of prime Guild Traders, and then we're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buys all VR 15-16 mats in the area for 100k, put them as 1mil. Is this what you really want?

Lets say theres 10 Trade Guilds, one person can belong to 5 of them, how he can control them all?

There should be more Trade Guilds what I said, in order to do so, they need to lower the member size amount.

It isn't the "guilds" they're controlling, though. It's the "stuff." It would appear, from my experience, that some guilds are buying stuff up. You can see this in two ways: (1) by shopping at a number of guild merchants or (2) by using an add-on like Master Merchant (which display the price sales of items within the last 15 days).

All in all, despite my experience today, I don't have huge problem with this system. If someone wants to do the work to research prices and get the benefit of that, more power to them. They should get the profit for the effort. If a guild wants to specialize in a certain commodity, then they should be able to do so. I think it does add depth to the game, even if it can be frustrating at times. And if you don't want to buy from the guild, you always have the option of finding the "stuff" yourself.

All I'm saying is: if people don't think this is happening, then they are either naive or they're trying to protect the system, maybe?

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2015

Sausage wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

Guild Trader isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of prime Guild Traders, and then we're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buys all VR 15-16 mats in the area for 100k, put them as 1mil. Is this what you really want?

Lets say theres 10 Trade Guilds, one person can belong to 5 of them, how he can control them all?

There should be more Trade Guilds what I said, in order to do so, they need to lower the member size amount.

So people have to go to more Guild Traders to make their purchases? People play this game for the actual game. Not so they can spend their free time moving from one merchant to another to find a single stack of something specific.

The argument you made was flawed in assuming that people who would normally play the market with an AH arent doing the same thing here just because the Guild Traders breaks up the players. Anyone looking to undercut their competition simply shops their neighbors. Anyone looking to corner the market simply shop their neighbors. They dont need to control the guy to the right or left of them. They simply have to purchase that item, like they would with a AH, and then repost it on their Guild Trader.

And the concept of cornering the market and forcing players to pay higher prices is an absurd and misinformed understanding of how the in game market works. People cant just buy everything up, slap a price on it and think people are going to pay for it because its all thats available. If the asking price is too high people wont be able to pay it and the seller will have to drop the price. And regardless of how often someone buys low and sells high. They arent going to catch them all. And more importantly that person selling low isnt exactly helping the market. Theyre hurting it. Items in game often follow the same logic of real world. The investment, time to gather, refine and then sell the item go into the pricing of that item to make a profit. Anyone actually undercutting others actually hurts those who are fairly pricing the items.

BabeestorGor · November 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Funny this thread should appear today.

I just spent an hour looking for a recipe for a crafting writ at every guild merchant in Glenumbra. Finally, in desperation I tried Zone Chat. Immediately, someone tells me to go to the guild merchants. When I tell them I've already been there, the responds was (truly): "I doubt you've checked every guild merchant in the game."

Finally, I get a tell from another player who says their guild has "a lot" of recipes. I should check it. In fact, this player will teleport me to the guild merchant. I'm like, okay, sure.

Sure enough, the merchant had tons of recipes ... and these recipes are three and four times (or more) - what they bring elsewhere. Green recipes selling for 200 gold or more. And judging from what I saw on the merchant inventory, they are mostly (it seems) recipes needed for crafting writs.

So yeah, I paid 200 gold and got my recipe. Meh. It's just gold. But if Zeni thinks the current system prevents people from trying to control the market, then they are freakin naive.

And theres plenty of people willing to sell at lower prices but if their guilds can't get a stall you'll never find them.
I think we need more stalls and a more open system than blind bidding on 1 stall. its not a true free market if sellers face too high a hurdle to enter it.

FelixTheCatt · November 2015

More stalls would be a liveable compromise imo. There needs to be quite a few more.