Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I seriously doubt that you alone cornered the market on something in a game in a single week of play. The number of buyers and sellers had to be so low and the asking price so under priced that I have to question the validity of this response. A Day Trader and someone moving actual product are two completely different things. There is no limit of how many stocks and such you can hold onto. There is no limit to an inventory or bank space for a Day Trader.

In a video game with limited space for product both on the market and in your bank/inventory space. Theres definitely a need to get that product out the door and in the hands of buyers. The ONLY way that your story plays out the way you portrayed it is if there was no limit to how much you could post to the AH there. Which is a flaw in the system for that game but not a flaw in general for most AHs in other games where a limit exists.

did u seriously call me a liar? xD...yea i'm trying to look 'cool' talking about Evony xD, i speak truth ...deal with it or shut the f up, i also made over 100 grand in REAL LIFE buying and selling bullion in physical and in futures (off a very low income)....gonna tell me i'm lyin about that too

i know wtf i'm i'm talkin about

if they implemented a feature like the one i previously mentioned that allowed any player to setup a lil 8 item afk shop wherever they stand, it would destroy the current market manipulation yur talkin about

AT LEAST if the search filters saved and didn't need to be reapplied every time you close/open a trader window, it would be bearable.

But the way it is now is just terrible

Why do people think that things like an AH will suddenly make things equal for all people at all times?

It simply isn't possible, its the illusion people want. Wasn't there a movie like this...

as long as there are people with lots of liquid assets there will be market manipulation, the only thing u can do to try and stop it completely is through harsh regulation and enforcement. (u've seen how well that works in RL with the SEC xD...what a joke); so all you can really do is just try and implement ways to make it HARDER to manipulate, but you wont be able to erase it completely. Probably the best defense against it would involve the community actively shunning known manipulators, if you can even figure out who's doing the manipulating

I will say that as a new player the trading system absolutely sucks. However once you at least one play to finish the questline and get you access to different trading hubs it gets much easier. I myself have three main hubs I check routinely for armor and materials, Glenumbra, Stormhaven and Reaper's March. There are others of course but to be honest between those three hubs and the two trading guilds I can access at the bank I pretty much find whatever I need most of the time.

I DO NOT want to see a global auction house. Those things are horrible and inevitably you end up with either artificially low or artificially high prices. MMO economies do not operate under the same rules as a real world market so the laws of supply and demand don't work as effectively. Countries that have lots of tariffs and subsidies generally have poor performing markets and MMOs by design have artificially created markets. Every time a patch changes the drop rate of this item or makes another item less powerful and thus less appealing that is essentially the same as imposing a tariff or subsidy.

I like it as it is right now that if someone really really wants a good deal they will put the extra legwork in and if your are like me and just want a decent price you zip to the bank and the couple of regular trade hubs.

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

We have been saying that since beta. Global AH is a must on todays market, but they listen to the wrong player feedback, and feel that this system is the best for the game.

It would be funny if it was not so sad. And the whole.."What about crafters" Thing makes me wonder if people understand how supply and demand works.

Global AH isnt so good as people think, people buy cheap and sell high. Rich gets richer and poor gets poorer. Rich people gets full control of the AH, and then you're in deep trouble. For example, one guy buy all vr15-16 mats for 100k, put them back as 150k. Is this what you really want?

To be honest.. Yes I would be ok with higher prices if it meant that I would no longer have do do a tamriel sight seeing tour to find the equipment I need. I'm sure there are many others who share this feeling

And that higher asking price is apart of the convenience due to the legwork involved with getting the item to the AH in the first place and the supply/demand involved. More eyes on the item means more potential buyers.

It doesnt mean the item is outrageously priced or that most will go without access to the item. As a AH will allow anyone to sell/buy. Which means more sought after items will be listed and more often. Versus the current system where only so many Guild Traders exist, and potentially only a fraction of the playerbase can sell at any given time. Thats a very small number of supply with a whole lot of demand. Meaning prices are going to be marked up higher price on the Guild Traders than they might be on an AH. Items that might have no actual value dominate slots that could of been better served with actual items in demand.

I can only imagine that those arguing against an AH either dont know how things are actually working or theyre profitting from the current way things are working.

MrGrimey wrote: »

My problems are the buggy load times from checking the 5 different zones for traders

This is my issue with the current system as well. There needs to be more (like x5) vendors in the major cities.

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Truth, It is mind blowing how people don't understand supply and demand. They want to keep a tedious system that is not friendly at all. I..just don't understand people.

Supply and demand is much more complicated then a catchphrase. A dynamic system includes many factors. An unrealistic system pigeonholes everyone into a one size fits all AH which circumvents many realities of supply and demand and basically renders that model moot.

BalticBlues wrote: »

At least ZOS should give people a LOAD/SAVE capability for Search Filters.
Having to set all search filters again and again for each guild trader is a pain in the ****.
On PC, there are great addons for this, but on console the guild trader interface is terrible.

There are add-ons that do this very well.

I do not favor a global Auction House for the reason stated above... that being that it would allow guilds with big gold to corner the market on what ever they choose. As cumbersome as it may be the current system does allow me to shop and occasionally find deals.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The afk shop wouldnt destroy anything but simply make things worse. Players would still have to do a great deal of leg work just to find an item at a decent price. And unlike an AH, what you see is what you get. Atleast with an AH the valued and sought after items can be searched for by name and any trash items on the AH go ignored and unseen.

The population of the MMO i played that used this system was massive and it worked pretty good, yes a lil leg work was involved. Again if u add massive instant convenience like a global AH, it will make it super easy to manipulate; i'd be happy to teach u since u dont understand, but if i do i'm charging for the info

So is a lil leg work worth it to relieve a lot of manipulation...i say yes

perhaps if i actually make an effort to move and shake the online NA economy, then u will listen

Groggolo wrote: »

Title should say it all, but a system that forces players to travel across a huge map to visit guild merchants that most of the times have very scarce inventories, and re apply every time the search filters, is just a horrible design.

I want to use my time in the game to have fun, not to endlessly search for the equipment I need.

On top of this, on the forum it is not possible to make trading posts, and on Ps4 there is no in game chat....what is the rationale behind this, make player frustrated and angry?

Create at least a global list of what all the guild merchants hold, so I can make a global search and see which merchant has the item i want, I do not mind then traveling there to buy it.

I am having serious doubts about the competencies of the designers behind something like this....

Last first: The global list idea is just a Trojan horse for an AH (or universal market.)
Posting on the forum would also take time.
Thru experience you come to know the best trader locations for the items you want and travel time I believe is not excessive.
The alternative a global AH -- I came from EVE online which had one of the best if not the best market system at the time. This degenerated into massive market manipulation by the "big boys" such as would make the Federal Reserve envious. I would not like to see that happen here. The system isn't perfect but many of the alternatives are worse.
And not to overstate the obvious, join some guilds and you have 5 markets at your fingertips.

seriously I expected a developer to comment as this is a serious discussion but it is just a moderator with a cookie cutter response. @ZOS_GinaBruno what happened with your community visions sticky? did you give upon it? did you not say you wanted more participation from the staff? well please participate. based on what I have seen you guys only seem to participate during maintenance and patch inquiries. also how about at least changing the rules so if a mod knows the answer to a question instead of just moving it to an obscure area they can answer and help out as well right now I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't bots