MissBizz wrote: »

As far as I've heard, ZOS plans on making ALL future content scale like orsinium does. I think it's a good idea to have some content (base game) have predetermined levels to help new players out. Why? People have difference difficulty levels. If someone finds Orsinium a bit rough because for them the difficulty is too high, they can check out the predetermined levels to get a hang of it. If the area that is exactly their level is a bit too tough as they are figuring out the game, they can backtrack and bit to practice and get a better grasp on their class and on the game as a whole. I love the idea of scaling content, and am all for all future content to scale, but I feel SOME of the game should have pre-set levels so players can stay behind or go ahead depending on their grasp of the game.

I think what you said about leaving some content for new players makes sense and I am glad to hear futures contents are going to scale to player levels. Mind if I ask for the source?

Won't work, the proper idea is to have your character scale to level of the zone instead.

Even so I am opposed to this idea as it really doesn't add challenge, especially when all your doing is helping your friend who is obviously meant to be in that zone you outgrew.

You can still help him.

But like I said it doesn't add challenge, it just makes everything a long grind, there was a reason why VR leveling sucked during the first year, there was no feeling of accomplishment or progression.

Right now it's really easy to out level a zone. I don't mean 1 or 2 levels I mean 6+ and then this causes issues.

However while I am sure all the expert players will never have faced a mob they can't beat there are times when I get into a fight at even level that I just can't win. When this happens its ok because I can level up and come back and do it. But if the mob levelled with me then I would be screwed.

ADarklore wrote: »

Why even have levels, why not just have ZOS say, "here's the new content, everyone can play it, and by the way, we're removing levels period so everyone is equal everywhere."

I'd be very fine with this, but its not needed. GW2 nailed it. You have a leveling system, and there is a progression in the zones, but you can scale down later.
In ESO it would translate to this: you need to level your way up to Coldharbour, but if you want to finish some quest in Glenumbra or if you want to help out your lvl 32 friend, you can scale down to the level of that zone, and the content is a little bit challenging again.

this would probably not be doable in ESO though, because you have the champion system on top of the leveling system. but I think the game would have beneficiate from it as all the content of the game would have been relevant to you and not obselete, and the level difference between people would be not important anymore, allowing more players, more friends to enjoy the game together.

1 to 49 is perfect already

Maybe after coldhRbour

Keep it the same 1-50... battle level or whatever once you hit vet ranks. It would keep the areas viable for experience and spread the population some once the toon is capped for levels. No more having to head to final zone for your faction just to continue getting exp. Though this has been helped some what by the two new zones...I still think trying to cram everyone into one zone is a mistake. I do think this is part of the reason for the lag and sudden connection drops. Some might be fixed by only allowing a very small population into each phase (one raid of people no more) this may help with some other issues like nothing to kill no resources and so on.

Seriously have a pretty world just have to many people all in the very same area at the same time in some places. I know it destroys any concept of wilderness ...any idea of you being the hero when the hordes descend into an area. I am not speaking of pvp zones or places like trials. I am talking about this solo/duo type areas being over run with people. Some population I suppose is all right. Though honestly I would not mind going back to the old vet zone days when I rarely if ever saw any one unless I grouped up.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!

I can't even begin to say how much I hate this idea.

I love the thrill of sneaking into territory where I know I'm going to be one-shotted if I'm seen. And it's nice sometimes to go farm low materials where I don't have to waste time fighting wolves and skeevers, and I can just bat them out of the way, very nice when I'm not in the mood for a challenge and just want to Smite things . I don't want to always and only be playing against whatever level the game thinks is my equal.

There is a greater sense of progression if you can go to a place and have your butt kicked, and then come back later and kick their butts. If everything stays equal to your level then you never get any perspective, no sense of progression.

I don't like the battle leveling thing. It doesn't give you something to work towards, to some day be competent enough to venture into a particular zone. While on the one hand I can see the charm of players of every level having a chance to play with friends and guildmates that aren't at the same place, but on the other hand it just feels weird, half like I'm cheating to go against "veteran 16" creatures in Wrothgar as a little level 4 guy fresh out of the wailing prison. I dunno... I just don't care for it.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In Orsinium you made the content scale but why stop there. The whole game should be like this![/b]

Except they didn't make the content scale, they scaled your character to the zone. If they made the content scale it would be almost impossible with people of all different levels in the same zone (imagine the lag it would create).

So, if they implement it like Orsinium than by all means yeah. My guess is that this will be the case in the future when they remove veteran ranks.

Edit: I must add that it should not be done for everything, just for the zones after Coldharbour.

Where's the challenge if they scale 1 - 50?

Or indeed if they scale vet zones? What is the point of being able to blow through every zone easily without any challenge? There would be absolutely no sense of progression. I much prefer having content where things are more powerful than I am when I enter it.

I can see why they battle levelled Orsinium. I am also loving the zone. But it's not much of a challenge. I hope the next trial provides some.

I think only the vet zones, Cyrodiil and expansions (Craglorn, Orsinium and IC) should be battle scaled. Starting faction and Coldharbour should remain as is.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In Orsinium you made the content scale but why stop there. The whole game should be like this![/b]

Except they didn't make the content scale, they scaled your character to the zone. If they made the content scale it would be almost impossible with people of all different levels in the same zone (imagine the lag it would create).

So, if they implement it like Orsinium than by all means yeah. My guess is that this will be the case in the future when they remove veteran ranks.

I will invite you.

"Insightful"

I must add that it should not be done for everything, just for the zones after Coldharbour.

NovaMarx wrote: »

The way the story is built up in the game, I think you should be locked to your faction areas until you complete Cold Harbour. After that, the other faction areas (or the players) become scale-able, and you can travel anywhere you want.

But what would be an even better option would be the choice of difficulty. As it is now, the reason I out-level every area is that the game is WAY TOO EASY! I have recently started a new character, and have seen firsthand how dumbed down the game has become! There is no real challenge anymore. If they made the game more challenging, with tougher enemies and more puzzle quests (where you actually have to use your brain), then leveling wouldn't be as fast.

Agreed. When I, in an entire play session can count on one hand the amount of times an enemy (including bosses) came close enough to take a swing at me before dying, then it's become too easy.

Have every zone scale to MAX level, and then battle level every player to max as well,
I even have a forum post about this: The Future of ESO: DLC-Scaling, Gear, CP & More

As for the sense of progression, I ask one question: Is playing in Orsinium the same at level 10 as it is at v16? Are the difficulties different, one easier or one harder than the other? If someone told you that they found Orsinium too hard, would you say that they're SOL because it'll always be hard, or will you say to give it some time to level up and learn the game?

Progression will be a bit different, but if someone's just playing the content in the order they feel comfortable playing, the gaming experience won't change. If someone does want to go out of their way to other zones outside the normal order, they will find that it's not artificially more or less challenging than another area; all areas are open to explore at your own pace/way. In an RPG it makes no sense that difficulty is determined by geography, it should be determined by character's level of skill and build because then the progression of overcoming a challenge is more rewarding; you as a character/player overcome the challenge because your character has become better at what they do.

Getting levels handed to you because you go through the same themepark as everyone else is not rewarding, your character doesn't even need to have any sort of skill based/ build based progression apart from assigning a skill and attribute point each level because the progression is artificial; it'll bring you up to par no matter what you do, and the world will get easier no matter what.

Of course, if they do make all zones max level and introduce tamriel-wide battle leveling, there should be an option to turn off battle leveling and face an even greater challenge, or have different ranks of battle leveling that are much like difficulty levels.