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Vet maelstrom "Balanced" for all classes
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Edited by Alcast on November 4, 2015 12:00PM
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✭Isn't that the point to have one leaderboard per class?
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Of course it isn't, this game was designed for Group play, I'm pretty sure that's how they announced it too, it's like Elderscrolls but questing with your friends, each class is unique yadda yadda. Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
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I agree.
Of course it isn't, this game was designed for Group play, I'm pretty sure that's how they announced it too, it's like Elderscrolls but questing with your friends, each class is unique yadda yadda. Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
A I already stated it in another topic:A Sorc with 40k magicka and 18k health is the same as DK or Templ with 40k magicka and 35k health. But DKs and Templars cannot reach this HP value if they have 40k Magicka.
Now let me tell you why I think that:
Average sorc shield is around 24k. It is not mitigated. So usually light armor users mitigate maximum 25% of the damage (around 17k res). So this 24k health are actually the same as 18k health. Plus the health that the sorc has and here we go. I do not count the block mitigation and rolldodege mitigation because if you are a magicka build you do not gonna use them very often. It will better to spam shields.
Now we see why there are so many sorcs who already compete the arena. If we add on top of that, that the design is mainly for range build we can see the big difference between the classes.Because I can!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
Players hate shield stacking... ??? Only those who can't, I guess.
Obviously this arena favors ranged magicka, (but it's not impossible for other builds, see leaderboards...) and maybe it's a little bit unbalanced regarding this arena alone, but look at the overall picture :
- DKs have an obvious advantage for tanking (with excellent DPS too)
- Templars have an obvious advantage for healing (with very decent DPS too)
- Nightblades have an obvious advantage in PvP (stealth, cloak) (with excellent DPS too)
- Sorcs have an obvious advantage at... ?????
Answer : sorcs have an obvious advantage at combining offensive and defensive abilities. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at solo play. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at Maelstroem arena.
Fair, imho. And balanced, not considering arena alone, but the entire game.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on November 4, 2015 12:28PM3 -
AlcastClass Representativeanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »[quote="Nifty2g;2414131" Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
Players hate shield stacking... ??? Only those who can't, I guess.
Obviously this arena favors ranged magicka, (but it's not impossible for other builds, see leaderboards...) and maybe it's a little bit unbalanced regarding this arena alone, but look at the overall picture :
- DKs have an obvious advantage for tanking (with excellent DPS too)
- Templars have an obvious advantage for healing (with very decent DPS too)
- Nightblades have an obvious advantage in PvP (stealth, cloak) (with excellent DPS too)
- Sorcs have an obvious advantage at... ?????
Answer : sorcs have an obvious advantage at combining offensive and defensive abilities. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at solo play. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at Maelstroem arena.
Fair, imho. And balanced, not considering arena alone, but the entire game.
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MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
- Nightblades have an obvious advantage in PvP (stealth, cloak) (with excellent DPS too)
- Sorcs have an obvious advantage at... ?????
Answer : sorcs have an obvious advantage at combining offensive and defensive abilities. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at solo play. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at Maelstroem arena.
Fair, imho. And balanced, not considering arena alone, but the entire game.
I'd say NB's only have an obvious advantge in certain kinds of PvP, as IC is fotm just now, their dominance there is being seen as a dominance in general pvp where that's just not the case imo (although ofc others will disagree, it's fairly subjective)
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Majority of Malestrom is also designed for extremely toxic play shield stacking as much as you can. Players hate shield stacking but ZOS keep promoting it. Odd
Players hate shield stacking... ??? Only those who can't, I guess.
Obviously this arena favors ranged magicka, (but it's not impossible for other builds, see leaderboards...) and maybe it's a little bit unbalanced regarding this arena alone, but look at the overall picture :
- DKs have an obvious advantage for tanking (with excellent DPS too)
- Templars have an obvious advantage for healing (with very decent DPS too)
- Nightblades have an obvious advantage in PvP (stealth, cloak) (with excellent DPS too)
- Sorcs have an obvious advantage at... ?????
Answer : sorcs have an obvious advantage at combining offensive and defensive abilities. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at solo play. Sorcs have an obvious advantage at Maelstroem arena.
Fair, imho. And balanced, not considering arena alone, but the entire game.
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Legedric✭✭✭✭✭Don't nerf Sorcs or NB, just buff Dk and Templars to get on the same level again.
DK (I don't play templar) was a great class in PvE and PvP but they nerfed them straight to the ground for a good amount of time now.
No, I don't want the loot to get thrown at me but I also don't want to think: "Yeah, I made it with my Dk in 4 hours! Oh boy, look at that Sorc doing it in 1h..." for most of the time.Edited by Legedric on November 4, 2015 1:02PM◄ Legedric the Flamedancer ► - Redguard Dragon Knight
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✭✭Nerf Hardened Ward and remove shield breaker. Two problems fixed with two changes.
Healing ward is the reason why a counter is needed, not Hardened ward.
As there are skills to ignore block and dodge, there should be skills to ignore shields (I mean PvE only and NOT PvP)
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Leeric✭✭✭✭This community on the forums always complaining about classes is just getting tedious and sad.6 -
Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭Btw stamina sorcerers are going to have a hard time in the arena... And already have a hard time in PvP.
I doubt you will see many stamina sorcerers in the leader boards or farming arena.0 -
byrom101b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Just like the no-brain nerf-herders to cry nerf to Sorc when the Sorc isn't the issue.
IC suits NBs more than any other class.
vMA suits Sorcs (just over NBs) more than any other class.
ZOS keep designing badly balanced content, which amplifies the balance issues between classes forced into 1v1 contests which were fundamentally developed for a group-based game.
They stack mistake upon mistake and the foolish blame the classes...
... shame I am not allowed to use words relating to how far on the left hand side of the IQ bell curve the people who post this rubbish are...Edited by byrom101b16_ESO on November 4, 2015 2:14PM3 -
Nijjion✭✭✭✭Something needs to be looked at, DKs have had problems for a while now with the constant nerfs which has obviously created the overcorrection to being not as good as the others.
Don't want them to be gods like they used to but adjustments need to be looked at, with all classes really.
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AlcastClass RepresentativeBtw stamina sorcerers are going to have a hard time in the arena... And already have a hard time in PvP.
I doubt you will see many stamina sorcerers in the leader boards or farming arena.
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✭✭✭✭When I logged out last night, more Sorcs had completed Maelstrom than all other classes combined.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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AlcastClass Representativetimidobserver wrote: »When I logged out last night, more Sorcs had completed Maelstrom than all other classes combined.
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✭✭✭✭✭I hope people do not use this to lobby to ZoS that their class needs to be buffed.
Everyone who isn't a lobbyist, including ZoS, knows that certain classes are just more suited to this content solo and that is precisely why the leaderboards are separated by class.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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Spell crafting: Magicka sorc DLC, best synergy with Conjuration and Destruction magic.
Just deal with it I guess
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✭✭I completed the normal arena with my templar in no time at all, but I have not had a proper go at the veteran arena as of yet, and probably will not get the time to until the weekend, but I've had a little look at the first round. My templar is my main character, and it took me a while (and a fair few deaths) to kill the first boss. My sorcerer, who I rarely play other than to do my crafting for me from time to time completed the first round without dying at all...
I am not good or experienced with playing sorcerer. Pretty atrocious actually
I haven't played mine properly for about a year now, other than to quest in IC, in order to reach vet16. I play my templar everyday (though to be fair, I rarely PvE anymore, apart from the odd pledge here and there) but still, I would be lying if I said that I wasn't a little annoyed by the fact that it was SO much easier to do just the first round with sorcerer than it was templar...
I don't agree with nerfs, but for goodness sake, fix our toppling charge which keeps getting me killed ,and give us a bit of a speed boost or something! I had to fight close range in there as templar, because I am SO slow that ranged (and mostly channeled) dps wouldn't work for me. My sorcerer had both speed and hardened ward on her side AND pets to help her out and so didn't have to risk instant death by hugging the boss with spears in order to kill it
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byrom101b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »Easy to see just how unbalanced classes really are.
NO.
What this makes clear is that the arena favours ranged magicka mixed with high sustain.
You don't claim a monkey is more OP than a fish when the contest is tree climbing...
... and yet some fools try to...Edited by byrom101b16_ESO on November 4, 2015 2:53PM6 -
Nighn_9✭✭✭✭✭Almost all those players on the leaderboards r also major pvpers lol....... i wonder which class would be on top if all players on the leaderboards dueled0 -
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✭Lots of Nightblades/Forumblades angry that their class isn't 100 deep in the leaderboards.
Also it is literally week 1. Give it 2 weeks and those leaderboards will be just as stacked for all the other classes.0 -
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It cannot be compared to dueling. It is more like 1xX where X = not so good players. Because in the arena you do not fight only the boss you fight adds too.Almost all those players on the leaderboards r also major pvpers lol....... i wonder which class would be on top if all players on the leaderboards dueled
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