Vet Maelstrom

willymchilybily · November 2015

Op did Vet, said was too hard......why not try normal first to learn mechanics?

Or is the consensus it is genuinely too difficult for some classes?

Sallington · November 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

Op did Vet, said was too hard......why not try normal first to learn mechanics?

Or is the consensus it is genuinely too difficult for some classes?

The thing about "learning" in normal, is that there's no punishment at all for not paying attention to them because it's so stupid easy to just facetank everything.

Derra · November 2015

Ok i will post my opinion on the matter:

First of all: I play a sorc - so i´m blessed by the ZOS pve gods because their only way of creating "challenging" pve content is by designing 1 shot mechanics that you have to memorize.
Fortunately a sorc can bypass those by having 25k+ shields in pve and get away with a lot of mistakes or lazy gameplay. I would have never gotten to the 7th stage (only 2 deaths - yay) with another class most likely. In the end i quit after 40 minutes (I literally could not bring myself to finish it even one time) because if you´re looking past the stupid frustrating design (not for sorcs though

) it´s the epitome of boring content.

The design of the arena is tedious if we´re being nice. Every stage is functioning in the same way. Lern the two or three mechanics - avoid them collect loot or not - rgn is your friend. It´s to some extend melee unfriendly aswell (why is it so hard to design content equally challenging for ranged and melee builds?).

The arena has extreme class and role bias (f*ck tanks and healers right?) aswell as stupid designed mechanics where the only challenging part is not getting instantly killed while putting up enough dps.

If it´s that kind of content zos wants to sell i´m glad they´ve treated the pvp part of the game like the ugly stepchild because no content is better than this (if you have to play it for your endgame).

leipatemeibbaa · November 2015

Too much RNG
Stage 3:

Flower pull me into the water, gives 11k electric damage, and then bounce me back get hit 9k by boss without block. DIE!!!
Flower pull me into the water, 11k damage again, the Hag pull me again into the water 11k damage , DIE!!!
Flower pull me into the water, 11k damage again!!!!, this time instead bounce back i got stuck and in slow motion and for sure DIE!!

Stage 5:

Boss cast fear one me, no stam to break out, 1 sec later got one shot by archer

No Anamation when boss about to crack the iceburg, DIE!!!
Boss cast fear on me and waves hit me 16k with no joke.

Stage 6:
A lot of fun, enjoy it.

Stage 7:
What a ***!!!! U have to learn run like a dogs

Stage 8:
Only stage that I play I feel relax

Stage 9:
Still working on it

Rioht · November 2015

@ZoS please do not ever drop the difficulty of this arena.

It supposed to be hard. Dont give in to the casuals!!!

Thats what non vet mode is for

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Man I hope they don't nerf this. Do I really have to go play Bloodborne in order to get a challenge anymore? Balls up ZOS; don't give in to these same cry babies that want to nerf everything!

Sharkano · November 2015

If you want the casuals to shut up, make maelstrom weapon drop chance 10% in normal, 100% in vet. The complaints will slow down a lot. Right now the vet is too hard for 95% of the players here. They either have to nerf it or make same drops available in normal, just at a lower rate.

Derra · November 2015

Sharkano wrote: »

If you want the casuals to shut up, make maelstrom weapon drop chance 10% in normal, 100% in vet. The complaints will slow down a lot. Right now the vet is too hard for 95% of the players here. They either have to nerf it or make same drops available in normal, just at a lower rate.

That´s how endgame content imho has to be designed. You get it either with dedication over a longer period of time or you´re skilled and get it faster.

Diamond_10 · November 2015

Im more pissed that to get the best PvP weapon i have to do this.
Im not a great PvE player, above average but not elite, and very much doubt i can clear this without putting 16 hours straight into it.

THAT is what pisses me off and will end up with me leaving the game. Not interested in PvPing knowing i am not complete.

Sallington · November 2015

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Im more pissed that to get the best PvP weapon i have to do this.
Im not a great PvE player, above average but not elite, and very much doubt i can clear this without putting 16 hours straight into it.

THAT is what pisses me off and will end up with me leaving the game. Not interested in PvPing knowing i am not complete.

PREACH!!!

Right now AP has no use outside of cosmetics and the random siege weapon. No gear is worth spending AP on, which is just awful. At least up the sets you already have to v16.

Make the master weapons cost 1.5mil AP or something. Give us an option of either PvE or PvP.

terrordactyl1971 · November 2015

I'm an average player and will likely never complete this. So what?

It's elite player content - 20 folks are already on the leaderboard, so it's not impossible, just very hard. That's fine, the game should cater to all standards, 90% of the game is easy so why shouldn't elite players have some content just for them?

If, like me, you aint good enough - just accept that fact (or improve) and play the content that fits your skill level.

Dragonnord · November 2015

Maelstrom Arena veteran mode is not veteran. vCoA is veteran, vWGT is veteran, vICP is veteran.

Maelstrom Arena veteran mode is elite level.

Hmmm... sounds cool! Maybe Elite level should be created... ... ...

Darnathian · November 2015

So Zos hates tanks. That is obvious. This is icing on the cake.

Any tanks able to finish this? Paul?

Taemethius · November 2015

Are we playing a mmo or barbie dress up guys wtf.

First of im on ps4 im a sorc and I cant wait for this challenge. Its not fun sleep walking through stuff.

Man I remember the rush I had the first time I beat sanctum I long for that feeling again. Sanctum was was hard it took is three days of practice to beat it.

Or just complain to the point where they nerf it to the point that we are pretty much having a pillow fight.

Bashev · November 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

So Zos hates tanks. That is obvious. This is icing on the cake.

Any tanks able to finish this? Paul?

This arena is only for DPS. As a tank I cannot do anything. I had to respec. There is no mechanic if you do not die in 20 minutes you complete the round

Potenza · November 2015

wow, complain when its hard, then you complain when they nerf it

Brrrofski · November 2015

Lol, wait till this is released on console.

Should see how many cry babies we have.

I hope it doesn't get nerfed. I at least want to try it on this current difficulty to see what it's like.

It will probably be nerfed for xbox launch though unfortunately.

CtrlAltDlt · November 2015

Question: does vet arena save your progress or you supposed to go through all stages in one sitting? If the latter, thats *** up.. goodbye master weapons

NativeJoe · November 2015

IDK... I made it to arena 6, round 3. Gotta say the spiders, lightning, adds, totem mechanics, and the freaking boss tossing negate everywhere is a little much. BUT* I enjoyed the previous arenas... slam ur head enough up against the bosses and you LEARN TACTICS and eventually succeed. Arena 6 tho... HAF

NativeJoe · November 2015

Diamond_10 wrote: »

30k in repairs down, cant get past stage 5 after 7 hours (4 hours on stage 5), fully decked out. Only 4 people on leaderboard and even took them 5 hours.
Yeah, laters ESO, i aint got time for 12 hour arenas.

[Moderator Note: Title edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

As for stage 5... here's my pro tip: Shield bash the trolls, (u can still do that even tho u only have a wep) it inturrpts them.
The boss detonates the platforms at about 66% 33% and 10% . so the last little bit u literally have to burst because left to it's own devices, the boss will destroy all platforms.

Cously · November 2015

I think there should be challeging content. The only concern I have is why there is more players of one class than managed to complete it than other classes. The disparity of classes is amazing right now in NA:

1 DK
13 Sorcs
7 Nightblade
3 Templars

Interesting...

But to make any assumption would be dumb, so I'll just leave it in the air. To really make an statement, we would have to know the numbers of players trying Vet Mael and their classes to calculate a %. Perharps DK isn't as popular as Sorc...perharps...is something else...

To conclude, I agree with most posters that say this challenge shouldn't be beaten by the majority in 1 day. And if at least one member of each class did it, then it is possible for anyone do it. Everything is very subtle, I say give it time.

Cously · November 2015

juan0316 wrote: »

Question: does vet arena save your progress or you supposed to go through all stages in one sitting? If the latter, thats *** up.. goodbye master weapons

You get a quest that updates every stage. I had my progress interrupted because a powercut and when it came back I was in Wrothgar with the quest for the ice rink (a stage). I entered the arena and put me where I left. But the rounds were not saved, means you will start on round 1 of whatever stage you left.

Darnathian · November 2015

Taemethius wrote: »

Are we playing a mmo or barbie dress up guys wtf.

First of im on ps4 im a sorc and I cant wait for this challenge. Its not fun sleep walking through stuff.

Man I remember the rush I had the first time I beat sanctum I long for that feeling again. Sanctum was was hard it took is three days of practice to beat it.

Or just complain to the point where they nerf it to the point that we are pretty much having a pillow fight.

You dont want to sleep walk? Try it without being a sorc. Then upload that video.

Love these Console Sorcs. Best of both worlds. LOL

Rust_in_Peace · November 2015

Man I didn't even think of console haha there's no way that this will stay difficult once they get their hands in it and chime in.

Daveheart · November 2015

Derra wrote: »

Ok i will post my opinion on the matter:

First of all: I play a sorc - so i´m blessed by the ZOS pve gods because their only way of creating "challenging" pve content is by designing 1 shot mechanics that you have to memorize.
Fortunately a sorc can bypass those by having 25k+ shields in pve and get away with a lot of mistakes or lazy gameplay. I would have never gotten to the 7th stage (only 2 deaths - yay) with another class most likely. In the end i quit after 40 minutes (I literally could not bring myself to finish it even one time) because if you´re looking past the stupid frustrating design (not for sorcs though ) it´s the epitome of boring content.

The design of the arena is tedious if we´re being nice. Every stage is functioning in the same way. Lern the two or three mechanics - avoid them collect loot or not - rgn is your friend. It´s to some extend melee unfriendly aswell (why is it so hard to design content equally challenging for ranged and melee builds?).

The arena has extreme class and role bias (f*ck tanks and healers right?) aswell as stupid designed mechanics where the only challenging part is not getting instantly killed while putting up enough dps.

If it´s that kind of content zos wants to sell i´m glad they´ve treated the pvp part of the game like the ugly stepchild because no content is better than this (if you have to play it for your endgame).

I had 5 deaths (I think 4 on the poison round with the Lamia boss) and was half way through round 5 in a little under an hour and just got a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing. I wasn't having any fun.

Bashev · November 2015

A Sorc with 40k magicka and 18k health is the same as DK or Templ with 40k magicka and 35k health. But DKs and Templars cannot reach this HP value if they have 40k Magicka.

Now let me tell you why I think that:
Average sorc shield is around 24k. It is not mitigated. So usually light armor users mitigate maximum 25% of the damage (around 17k res). So this 24k health are actually the same as 18k health. Plus the health that the sorc has and here we go. I do not count the block mitigation and rolldodege mitigation because if you are a magicka build you do not gonna use them very often. It will better to spam shields.

Now we see why there are so many sorcs who already compete the arena. If we add on top of that, that the design is mainly for range build we can see the big difference between the classes.

MisterBigglesworth · November 2015

3 DKs
5 Temps
10 NBs
22 Sorcs

gd...

CtrlAltDlt · November 2015

Cously wrote: »

I think there should be challeging content. The only concern I have is why there is more players of one class than managed to complete it than other classes. The disparity of classes is amazing right now in NA:

1 DK
13 Sorcs
7 Nightblade
3 Templars

Interesting...

But to make any assumption would be dumb, so I'll just leave it in the air. To really make an statement, we would have to know the numbers of players trying Vet Mael and their classes to calculate a %. Perharps DK isn't as popular as Sorc...perharps...is something else...

To conclude, I agree with most posters that say this challenge shouldn't be beaten by the majority in 1 day. And if at least one member of each class did it, then it is possible for anyone do it. Everything is very subtle, I say give it time.

Im guessing the majority, if not all, of the NBs were magicka.

ZOS_Alex · November 2015

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