Talking about Bind on Pick up (Again, Poll Included)

kuscoe · November 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I don't see why BOP on Maelstrom weapons is obvious.

So from this response I assume you would be happier if you could just outwright buy your maelstrom drops?

well then I see no problem with putting them in the crown store

Gear is should be earn

Turelus wrote: »

For me BoP is an out dated mechanic which only serves to force people into content they're not interested in (PvP players forced to run trials/dungeons) for the limited reward of making people farm for items, and thus "play longer".

I would much rather a system where we can open trade of all items but made everything BoE (as it currently is). Players could play the content they enjoy, or farm items in demand for gold and players who are not interested in that would have something to spend gold on. Let supply/demand set the prices for us.

The problem with your post is you dont understand that if everything was BoE and we sold it to you and whatever it is you want items would either be worth absolutly nothing so this whole farming gold thing isnt actually a thing, or drop rates would be so demotivating for the people that want to do the content they just wouldnt do it... there are plenty of PvE players who skipped over the IC dungeons because they didnt like the drop rate. If gear dropped like it did in IC dungeons the pieces would be extremely expensive and you would complain about that (not being able to obtain one for yourself) if they drop like they will with orsinium they would be worth hardly anything and there would be no point in "farming gold" there is no balance in drop rate

there was a time in this game that everything was BoE except for Worm Cult Ebon and Savior sets and for like 4 days it was all super expensive but by the end of the week you could hardly sell anything then ZOS fixed the bug and made everything better

Pandras · November 2015

I would still suggest Tradeable Only items instead of Bind On Pickup. These would be of course also BoE but you could trade it for another Tradable Only and just for Tradable Only. It wouldn't be possible to "trade" it for gold or sell it in the guild store or any other means. This would help a lot of people find their last one-two pieces for their sets.

Emma_Overload · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I voted Remove Bind on Pickup.

Why? Because it really doesnt serve a purpose since it should be Bind on Equip anyway.
I hate any and all Bind on anything gear, but i deal with it since i undestand that someone will just open up a e shop and sell the items for cash.

The RnG also needs a rework. Its really poor and ive discovered that the loot is dropped based on server information. Best loot servers is 35,36, 38 and thats for V ICP and V WGT. Anything before that like 29, 30, 33, 151, 155, etc etc is just a dry run.

Never really cracked the undaunted chest as keys are only 1 time a day deal and its hard getting a 36 in deshaan. but i have gotten shoulders from a 32.

I never run a dungeon on *** server number. My group ALWAYS GETS GEAR. ALWAYS. But we didnt try to tear it down much more and catalogue everything to see what numbers drops what sets, because we just got tired of it and really didnt care anymore after we cracked the loot server distribution. We noticed that it was random on sets and with 4 people running it, you would think we could tell you what numbers drop what sets, but we stopped because we already knew they planned on buffing the loot drops anyway for these dungeons.

I really dont care anymore, we legit run the dungeon several times and i have multiples of trash from these dungeons. Nothing illegal about what we did. Nothing at all. Since they are nerfing the dungeons now, and making them easier to complete, and re implementing how the LFG Tool works, it will be interesting to see if they change the loot server's and see how the drops are affected by the changes to boss drops like in V ICP since they are moving the loot to a chest now.

Anyways, Take away BoP its trash and RnG needs a rework.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... how do know what "server" you are playing on? What are you talking about? I've been playing since Beta, and I've never heard anyone mention "loot servers" or numbered instances.

Can you please explain what you are talking about, and maybe show us some screenshots, too?

Sausage · November 2015

I say keep it, but BoP items needs another alternative way to be obtained, so if you're extremely unlucky, you dont need ragequit over it. BoP are actually even more needed now as CP-system is becoming easier. I wouldnt mind to see CP-system turning into short-term progression and BoP items long-term progression. But yep, that alternative way is going to be tricky as it needs to work for casual players too.

Scyantific · November 2015

Everything except for Undaunted and Maelstrom/Master sets should be BoE. The economy was chugging along nicely before IC.

-PvE folk wanted stuff like Cyro/Ravager's, so they hit up someone who lived in PvP and bought it from them.
-PvP folk wanted stuff like Adroit/Warlock, so they hit up someone who did PvE all day and bought it from them.

It was a good way to keep the gold flowing around.

BoP murdered that.

Decado · November 2015

I voted for drop BoP completely but only because if your unlucky with drop you could end up never getting the set piece you want.

i know someone who has been trying too get the CoA shoulders for 4 months and they wont drop for her, whereas i decon them all the time, its not right she cant complete her build because of crap luck.

as for the new dungeons, so far i have 1 usable piece (Big divines piece) from all the sets im looking for (spell power, overwhelming, scathing) and ive ran the dungeons i dont know how many times, the other weekend we did 6 runs (3 WGT 3 ICP) and i then opened 2 vaults and i got 0 usable loot from my time, now that just demotivated me and i said why am i even bothering?

so my issue isnt about earning the rewards as some people are saying you have to work for it, if me and my friend are just unlucky with the drops then doesnt matter how much we run the content, i see no problem with me running these instances realizing im getting nothing and then buying my gear, for me buying the new gear is always the last option (im cheap

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Personofsecrets · November 2015

The first set item I got was a cool tanking item, with a good trait, and, wait for it, v15.

@ZOS_RichLambert , your team really screwed up itemization this patch. Force people to by the DLC in some other way that doesn't make the game significantly worse for those who were buying it anyhow.

J2JMC · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

An unpopular opinion but I prefer working for gear I don't think they should be buffing drop rates in the dungeons

That said maybe I should have a change of heart because as a primarily PvE player I am broke with nothing to sell most of the time

Let me help you out, Do your writs and look for a 36 in craglorn before you turn them in.

Always get glass motif frags, tempers, recipes, etc etc. It takes alot of time searching for the magic numbers because of load screens, but its better than getting stiffed for your effort.

I imagine this isn't possible on console.

J2JMC · November 2015

Double post*

Jaronking · November 2015

My biggest problem with BOP I'd that in iC the best in slot PVP gear is locked behind PVE and its BOP.So PVPers who only do PVP are forced to play PVE to get their best in slot gear which is ridiculous. Removed BOP or make PVP gear BOP to make everything even.

Personofsecrets · November 2015

Everyone is mistakenly asking for price checks on their BOP items @ZOS_RichLambert . Why did you go down this BOP path?

timidobserver · November 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Everyone is mistakenly asking for price checks on their BOP items @ZOS_RichLambert . Why did you go down this BOP path?

It's not that hard to figure out why. If you want Orsinium gear you have to buy Orsinium.

sebban · November 2015

From 2.2.4 patch notes: Increased the drop rate of set items from the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons by approximately 2.5 times their previous rate.

While this makes the current loot system less horrible, it's still a very bad system and should be changed.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Oh man I love spending 15k in potions and then 5k on repairs for Maelstrom Arena to be awarded with 300gold question completion.. you guys should update that? @ZOS_RichLambert that is a huge money sink that will quickly ware out

Nifty2g · November 2015

ZOS i want you to take a look at the current Poll, look at the results. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom I hope you guys listen to the community on this one

161 votes
Balance Bind on Pickup with Bind on Equip 36% 59 votes
Remove Bind on Pickup 55% 90 votes
Keep it as it is 6% 10 votes

That's a lot. I hope you take it into consideration. At the moment I'm spending OVER 50,000 gold per run of Maelstrom Arena (Repairs, Potions, Respec) the gear there is also not that great for me anyway. And when you complete the quest you get 300 Gold. I mean really? This is a massive gold sink for players when there isn't even ways to make gold as it is. Are you really going to support 3rd party gold selling websites, cause I fear soon that is what it's going to come to.

kuscoe · November 2015

Dude if I could get 20k at the end of every Arena Fuuuq I wouldnt even care about BoP or whatever crap weapon I got

and honestly I dont any issue with this just make it so v16 arena's only give the 20k GW2 gives you a gold for doing a dungeon... yes a gold is alot in GW2

Nifty2g · November 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

Dude if I could get 20k at the end of every Arena Fuuuq I wouldnt even care about BoP or whatever crap weapon I got

and honestly I dont any issue with this just make it so v16 arena's only give the 20k GW2 gives you a gold for doing a dungeon... yes a gold is alot in GW2

I agree increase the gold for completing to be around 20,000. It;s insane

Nifty2g · November 2015

Just completed Malestrom and got my weekly reward, not to my surprise but it was bind on pickup. Really Zenimax?

I can barely afford gold to run the content that I paid for in this DLC because all the gear is Bind on Pickup. Neither do many people there are no gold incomes except for farming, and as soon as I'm made to farm mobs in a circle or anything alike that to play content purchased by a DLC I'm personally not going to be doing that as I'm not a crafter I play competitively not for that.

Brrrofski · November 2015

I think monster sets should still be BoP. The master weapons too.

Pretty much everything should be BoE

Nifty2g · November 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

I think monster sets should still be BoP. The master weapons too.

Pretty much everything should be BoE

Definitely agree, sets from the new dungeons sure they can be BoP but from solo arena it should follow the same as VDSA

SeptimusDova · November 2015

Remove BOP a ruined game economy cannot be fixed once it collapses. The current trait system seems to balance the gear anyway. Numerous runs to get divines,reinforced/infused are very hard to get.

AtmaDarkwolf · November 2015

I said to remove it, but I think it SHOULD exist but only on those very specific 'personalized' weapons (IE arena weapons, undaunted sets, etc)

But the sets in wrothgar, WHY THE HECK are they BoP?

It makes no sense, esp since the game seems to want to give you pieces for the sets that you would NEVER Use. I got at least 2 full 'perfect' v16 sets, including 3 jewelry pieces, for the tank and healer sets, but haven't found more than 2 pieces of the briarheart, only 1 of which is v16 - If it was BoE I could have traded my sets to others, who defiantly need more than I would - as i am only deconing them, for stuff I COULD use.

The BoP mechanic for 'common' (And they are common) set pieces, is just lazy tactics to get us to 'grind' orsinium more.

Mazio · November 2015

ZOS really need to show more faith in their own product, all this BoP nonsense is a cheap tactic to force people to buy the DLC and a lot of the player base has already seen it for what it is. Thing is, people like me on ESO+ or those who bought the DLC directly will have the DLC anyway, you don't need to force us into it. Those who haven't bought the DLC sure aren't going to buy it for some crazy RNG grind with a very small chance of getting a set they need, hell that's probably the reason they aren't buying it in the first place!

Take for example the Orsinium dailies, so far I've only got 3 pieces of Pariah gear...all 3 at V15. This gear is useless to me yet I can't do anything with it except decon it. If a V16 piece drops I can't sell it or give it to a friend that could make use of it. The rest of the daily rewards have been blue V15 random items that i could get 10x of in the same time it took me to do the daily. Useless. Too many layers of RNG (useless items/bad traits/different sets/and now even level) and then the BoP on top of that are actually killing my will to play the new content not making me want to do it more.

I voted for remove BoP, though I do think Undaunted monster sets and Master weapons should remain BoP. No reason for the rest not to be bind on equip, even then getting a full set you want with the right traits won't be too easy... after all we'd still need to make the money or farm for other set items to trade.

I'll say it again. ZOS, show some faith and confidence in your own product. The grind has become obscene, you don't need to make us do it to keep us around. If anything it's having the opposite effect on many players.

hamburgerler76 · November 2015

I don't think it should be totally removed I agree there are some items that should be bind on pick up like dungeon helm and shoulder set's/ master weapons but the every day 5 piece sets should never be BoP it gives me nothing to sell as I am a strictly PvE dungeon/arena runner

G0ku · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Nifty2g , I agree that tradition is an important thing to have, but do you think there could be more advantages than disadvantages if the weapons were to be BOE and the armor where to be BOP?

There needs to be some level of achievement for the *hardcore* player and i suppose that should be master weapons but that's just what i think

Items should never be the achievement for doing something. Better polymorphs or whatever. I did vDSA countless times and I never got the weapon with the right trait that I wanted. never ever

Hell, I was the first on AD EU to complete and it took me 15 runs before I got a part of a set / master weapon. Yea you´re reading right, at first it could happen on finishing vDSA that you loot epic trash from the last chest.

The BoP thing is the worst kind of bs with the rng involved in this game. They should at least let group members exchange loot while they´re at it.

This time I´ll wait for them to nerf vMSA inot oblivion so I can do some ez pz runs with low costs to try my chance on those new weapons as I know I will once again not manage to a sharpened staff...

@MrBeatDown could you explain for dummies what the numbers thing is you talking about? which number 36?

Nifty2g · November 2015

G0ku wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Nifty2g , I agree that tradition is an important thing to have, but do you think there could be more advantages than disadvantages if the weapons were to be BOE and the armor where to be BOP?

There needs to be some level of achievement for the *hardcore* player and i suppose that should be master weapons but that's just what i think

Items should never be the achievement for doing something. Better polymorphs or whatever. I did vDSA countless times and I never got the weapon with the right trait that I wanted. never ever

Hell, I was the first on AD EU to complete and it took me 15 runs before I got a part of a set / master weapon. Yea you´re reading right, at first it could happen on finishing vDSA that you loot epic trash from the last chest.

The BoP thing is the worst kind of bs with the rng involved in this game. They should at least let group members exchange loot while they´re at it.

This time I´ll wait for them to nerf vMSA inot oblivion so I can do some ez pz runs with low costs to try my chance on those new weapons as I know I will once again not manage to a sharpened staff...

@MrBeatDown could you explain for dummies what the numbers thing is you talking about? which number 36?

I'm personally against Master Weapons being BoE but that's just me

Treaborne · November 2015

Good point regarding the loot system, and I think in some cases the bind on pickup should apply to certain item TYPES.

However there should be an option when looting to choose "Pass Group Roll" that would or could allow others in group to get those BOP items.

This should also come with a catch that would only allow it with a certain number of players in the group.

The catch could require 3-4 players in group for it to work in certain instances.

And in open world PVP areas it could require that you are in a LARGE GROUP for it to work.

Wollust · November 2015

The games economy is screwed so hard by now. Not only are the PvPers not able to change ap to gold, but the PvEers can't sell their stuff like they used to. Then we got the huge moneysink maelstrom arena and the incredibly expensive new mats, leaving a lot of people with close to no gold left. The only way to make gold by now is either you go buy stuff cheap and sell it more expensive or you start farming. Quite frustrating for those who don't like doing those things and just want to be able to play the game like they used to. We had such a nice, balanced economy when almost everything was BoE. The PvErs would sell their loot and the PvPers would sell the necessary min/max items for the PvErs.

I spent more time farming this week than I spent PvPing. And I know a lot of people doing the same. But I'm sure, we won't be doing this for long. The frustration is real.

Ariisen · November 2015

Master\Maelstrom Weapons as well as rare drops like Worm Cult\Ebony Armor ect, should be BoP
The rest BoE imho.

lathbury · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I don't see why BOP on Maelstrom weapons is obvious.

It should follow the same pattern as VDSA had, master weapons is worth to keep the grind going and the other gear that drops should all be BoE to make the grind worth it.
Soon enough we will all run out of gold unable to repair, unable to buy potions and then what?

Why should it follow the same pattern that VDSA had? I mean, I know a person that quit over VDSA traits on Master weapons and several that never got the weapon the wanted, try after try, and I don't even mean the right item with the wrong trait - I mean they didn't get the weapon period.

I think the same logic that makes an argument for BOE can be applied to all gear.

Ill be buying the orsinium DLC and Keep better records of the numbers i get try to see if they can be tied to the item/set possibilities that can be dropped in each instance. As it stands now, in the current IC update, we could always guarantee a set piece or 2 would ALWAYS be in the dungeon. For instance, We know that Molag Keena can drop set hats for example, but we never even attempted to tie the numbers to the set that would drop or the attribute it could have. We were not sure it could even be done. When i rewrote my hard drive 2 weeks ago, i didnt even bother trying to save a copy of my number records. What we could tell you for certain just off of 35,36 and 38 is, that if you went all the way through the dungeon, and did not get a single piece of set loot from anything, then Molag Keena was DEFINITELY 100% going to drop a set piece, be it her hat or any of the other pieces she can drop. Game is currently on loot servers i 100% Guarantee it. I Promise.

massively false in 2 runs yesterday of vwgt 3 of the group members didnt drop any set items.