A pop up window for Crown Store on char load! Seriously?

Hiero_Glyph · November 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'd much prefer this instead of pop-ups IN-GAME... this is a much better method of advertisement.

That being said, I think if you are a subscriber to ESO+ you should have the option to turn off the popup.

Naah it still needs to pop-up cause ppl miss out on info and then post in the forums....honestly I even wants the patch notes to pop-up the first time so ppl might actually read them.

Look at the forums....most topics today and yesterday are specifically addressed in patch notes but as pointed out...so few go there to read or don't know to go there so this is a happy medium and informative.

Except this is a terrible solution. I hate to say it but Warframe, yet again, nailed this! When you load up the game you see a title screen, it has the most recent patch notes, information about Prime Access (a type of Crown Store), current events, etc. It is all available on the title screen but you actually have to use a button to switch between this information otherwise it remains very subtle. It is a perfect solution since all the information is available to the player if they want to see it.

When a major patch is released the title screen is updated visually to reflect the new content and while the patch installs you can view all of this information while you wait. It is not obtrusive or inconvenient since you need to wait for the installation process anyway. If you want to review this information at a later date you only need to select it before bypassing the title screen. No pop-ups are ever needed. Again, ZOS thinks they know best but in reality others have already done it better. ZOS just takes the easiest path for them, not for their customers.

I think this needs to be written.
If you or anyone feels that this game should be like or should mimic another then why are you playing this?
-Not suggesting to go play the other game but, suggesting to you or them...really think about why you're playing this. It's likely that much more is right here than there, so while it may bother you, is it worth complaining about? Just bypass and play as its in no way impacting gameplay or messing up anyone's account, crowns, etc. and it's less intrusive than the text chat spams from other players attempting to sale things in-game or LFG

Each studio and developer is going to do things differently, some due to staff, ownership, limitations and new opportunities.

I've been on PC all week and the last day this is really a non-issue.

Don't be so daft. I am playing ESO because I purchased the game, just as you did. Does noting how a system can be changed/improved somehow invalidate my purchase? I am merely noting how to include the patch notes, crown store update, public events (if ESO had any), etc. without using an in-game pop-up. Also, I think this advertisement should be optional. ZOS can bury the option in the menu if you want to make it bothersome to change but at least give players the option to not have pop-up ads in a game that they purchased. It's a F2P tactic for a reason.

EDIT: The irony is that Warframe is F2P and doesn't even use in-game ads.

You're comments come off as complaints on a feature that is solving a lack of information that was made very clear to ZOS over the past 4 months. Their first attempt was to do in-game announcements and the community lashed out.

Then they went passive and ppl in the community complained so later you see forum only and Twitter or Reddit and Facebook info but nothing in-game and ppl complained.

Now there is a very brief piece of information and ppl still complain.
It takes 1 sec to bypass

-This isn't warframe or any other game it's ESO...keep the comparison relative to the studio and title that this intends to be

This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it.

As for ESO not being Warframe, you're right it's not, nor do I want it to be. Does that somehow invalidate a better option just because another developer did it first? I mean we are talking about integrating patch notes and pay-for content into the game, right? How does comparing interfaces (not gameplay) make ESO any less ESO. Yeah, ESO's title screen has information like Warframe does, it must be a shooter now. [/sarcasm]

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'd much prefer this instead of pop-ups IN-GAME... this is a much better method of advertisement.

That being said, I think if you are a subscriber to ESO+ you should have the option to turn off the popup.

Naah it still needs to pop-up cause ppl miss out on info and then post in the forums....honestly I even wants the patch notes to pop-up the first time so ppl might actually read them.

Look at the forums....most topics today and yesterday are specifically addressed in patch notes but as pointed out...so few go there to read or don't know to go there so this is a happy medium and informative.

Except this is a terrible solution. I hate to say it but Warframe, yet again, nailed this! When you load up the game you see a title screen, it has the most recent patch notes, information about Prime Access (a type of Crown Store), current events, etc. It is all available on the title screen but you actually have to use a button to switch between this information otherwise it remains very subtle. It is a perfect solution since all the information is available to the player if they want to see it.

When a major patch is released the title screen is updated visually to reflect the new content and while the patch installs you can view all of this information while you wait. It is not obtrusive or inconvenient since you need to wait for the installation process anyway. If you want to review this information at a later date you only need to select it before bypassing the title screen. No pop-ups are ever needed. Again, ZOS thinks they know best but in reality others have already done it better. ZOS just takes the easiest path for them, not for their customers.

I think this needs to be written.
If you or anyone feels that this game should be like or should mimic another then why are you playing this?
-Not suggesting to go play the other game but, suggesting to you or them...really think about why you're playing this. It's likely that much more is right here than there, so while it may bother you, is it worth complaining about? Just bypass and play as its in no way impacting gameplay or messing up anyone's account, crowns, etc. and it's less intrusive than the text chat spams from other players attempting to sale things in-game or LFG

Each studio and developer is going to do things differently, some due to staff, ownership, limitations and new opportunities.

I've been on PC all week and the last day this is really a non-issue.

Don't be so daft. I am playing ESO because I purchased the game, just as you did. Does noting how a system can be changed/improved somehow invalidate my purchase? I am merely noting how to include the patch notes, crown store update, public events (if ESO had any), etc. without using an in-game pop-up. Also, I think this advertisement should be optional. ZOS can bury the option in the menu if you want to make it bothersome to change but at least give players the option to not have pop-up ads in a game that they purchased. It's a F2P tactic for a reason.

EDIT: The irony is that Warframe is F2P and doesn't even use in-game ads.

You're comments come off as complaints on a feature that is solving a lack of information that was made very clear to ZOS over the past 4 months. Their first attempt was to do in-game announcements and the community lashed out.

Then they went passive and ppl in the community complained so later you see forum only and Twitter or Reddit and Facebook info but nothing in-game and ppl complained.

Now there is a very brief piece of information and ppl still complain.
It takes 1 sec to bypass

-This isn't warframe or any other game it's ESO...keep the comparison relative to the studio and title that this intends to be

This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purcahse something I already know where to look for it.

As for ESO not being Warframe, you're right it's not, nor do I want it to be. Does that somehow invalidate a better option just because another developer did it first? I mean we are talking about integrating patch notes and pay-for content into the game, right? How does comparing interfaces (not gameplay) make ESO any less ESO. Yeah, ESO's title screen has information like Warframe does, it must be a shooter now. [/sarcasm]

Youre wasting your time. The moment someone goes off the handle about 'Why are you playing ESO if you want it to be like another game?' about none core elements. Then theyve already ran out of nonsense to spew and its evident theyre trolling. And doing it poorly at that.

Marrtha · November 2015

Phew, it's warm in here. On a serious note, there are more subtle ways of advertising, and there are more tacky ones of course. Some may be like, meh, a pop-up window, just like they are 'meh, he is killing the mobs, I will take this node in front of his nose'. But others mind and speak up about it. And they have every right to do so. Calling each other cry babies etc. won't help (obviously).

I would prefer a more subtle way of letting us know, a little exclamation point on the crown in the menu, like the one we get for a champion point? And if there is someone who missed something in the crown store because they didn't know, then they are seriously detached. There are the forums, the website, the launcher, and the game. Go and browse. But then again, I understand why ZOS would want to shove it up our noses. But well whether they have right to do it or not, discussable, it is their game and their content. Maybe they meant nothing bad.

Okay now...

for everyone.

Islyn · November 2015

Marrtha wrote: »

Phew, it's warm in here. On a serious note, there are more subtle ways of advertising, and there are more tacky ones of course. Some may be like, meh, a pop-up window, just like they are 'meh, he is killing the mobs, I will take this node in front of his nose'. But others mind and speak up about it. And they have every right to do so. Calling each other cry babies etc. won't help (obviously).

I would prefer a more subtle way of letting us know, a little exclamation point on the crown in the menu, like the one we get for a champion point? And if there is someone who missed something in the crown store because they didn't know, then they are seriously detached. There are the forums, the website, the launcher, and the game. Go and browse. But then again, I understand why ZOS would want to shove it up our noses. But well whether they have right to do it or not, discussable, it is their game and their content. Maybe they meant nothing bad.

Okay now... for everyone.

But I want a brownie!! xD Are you coming to play tonight??

NewBlacksmurf · November 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'd much prefer this instead of pop-ups IN-GAME... this is a much better method of advertisement.

That being said, I think if you are a subscriber to ESO+ you should have the option to turn off the popup.

Naah it still needs to pop-up cause ppl miss out on info and then post in the forums....honestly I even wants the patch notes to pop-up the first time so ppl might actually read them.

Look at the forums....most topics today and yesterday are specifically addressed in patch notes but as pointed out...so few go there to read or don't know to go there so this is a happy medium and informative.

Except this is a terrible solution. I hate to say it but Warframe, yet again, nailed this! When you load up the game you see a title screen, it has the most recent patch notes, information about Prime Access (a type of Crown Store), current events, etc. It is all available on the title screen but you actually have to use a button to switch between this information otherwise it remains very subtle. It is a perfect solution since all the information is available to the player if they want to see it.

When a major patch is released the title screen is updated visually to reflect the new content and while the patch installs you can view all of this information while you wait. It is not obtrusive or inconvenient since you need to wait for the installation process anyway. If you want to review this information at a later date you only need to select it before bypassing the title screen. No pop-ups are ever needed. Again, ZOS thinks they know best but in reality others have already done it better. ZOS just takes the easiest path for them, not for their customers.

I think this needs to be written.
If you or anyone feels that this game should be like or should mimic another then why are you playing this?
-Not suggesting to go play the other game but, suggesting to you or them...really think about why you're playing this. It's likely that much more is right here than there, so while it may bother you, is it worth complaining about? Just bypass and play as its in no way impacting gameplay or messing up anyone's account, crowns, etc. and it's less intrusive than the text chat spams from other players attempting to sale things in-game or LFG

Each studio and developer is going to do things differently, some due to staff, ownership, limitations and new opportunities.

I've been on PC all week and the last day this is really a non-issue.

Don't be so daft. I am playing ESO because I purchased the game, just as you did. Does noting how a system can be changed/improved somehow invalidate my purchase? I am merely noting how to include the patch notes, crown store update, public events (if ESO had any), etc. without using an in-game pop-up. Also, I think this advertisement should be optional. ZOS can bury the option in the menu if you want to make it bothersome to change but at least give players the option to not have pop-up ads in a game that they purchased. It's a F2P tactic for a reason.

EDIT: The irony is that Warframe is F2P and doesn't even use in-game ads.

You're comments come off as complaints on a feature that is solving a lack of information that was made very clear to ZOS over the past 4 months. Their first attempt was to do in-game announcements and the community lashed out.

Then they went passive and ppl in the community complained so later you see forum only and Twitter or Reddit and Facebook info but nothing in-game and ppl complained.

Now there is a very brief piece of information and ppl still complain.
It takes 1 sec to bypass

-This isn't warframe or any other game it's ESO...keep the comparison relative to the studio and title that this intends to be

This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it.

As for ESO not being Warframe, you're right it's not, nor do I want it to be. Does that somehow invalidate a better option just because another developer did it first? I mean we are talking about integrating patch notes and pay-for content into the game, right? How does comparing interfaces (not gameplay) make ESO any less ESO. Yeah, ESO's title screen has information like Warframe does, it must be a shooter now. [/sarcasm]

It's your point of view that ZOS is forcing "you" to buy crowns in order for them to make money. It's not everyone who feels this way and possibly based on what you own or your crown and sub habits, this new information feature causes such a perception.

Constantly using another game made by another developer which follows a different access model, and player base can invalidate your points as in this case, your comparing two completely different companies and models as validity for your perceptions that aren't shared by everyone regardless of if its a majority or minority.

It's not wrong for you to express discontent tho.
Maybe write something like...hey ZOS can I have this here instead of there with X frequency but also consider ZOS is managing a game that has monthly expenses so in some way they have to offer products for willing consumers and you may not be their target but others are and the presentation now ensures those target customers won't miss a product now due to how it's being presented.

You come off like telling a store not to adds, signs or flashy greeters. Or if online your suggesting the page not highlight the current offers on visit....but if you're there it's more than likely you're there to buy. In this game you're here to play and it's perceived you're also here to buy just like you turn on a TV or console to play or enjoy entertainment but the companies involved each week or month suggest products while doing so. It's normal and not intrusive in how this presentation appears.

Marrtha · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Marrtha wrote: »

Phew, it's warm in here. On a serious note, there are more subtle ways of advertising, and there are more tacky ones of course. Some may be like, meh, a pop-up window, just like they are 'meh, he is killing the mobs, I will take this node in front of his nose'. But others mind and speak up about it. And they have every right to do so. Calling each other cry babies etc. won't help (obviously).

I would prefer a more subtle way of letting us know, a little exclamation point on the crown in the menu, like the one we get for a champion point? And if there is someone who missed something in the crown store because they didn't know, then they are seriously detached. There are the forums, the website, the launcher, and the game. Go and browse. But then again, I understand why ZOS would want to shove it up our noses. But well whether they have right to do it or not, discussable, it is their game and their content. Maybe they meant nothing bad.

Okay now... for everyone.

But I want a brownie!! xD Are you coming to play tonight??

Of course I am. I dismissed the pop-up window and I am ready to go! Did some quests this morning. Gotta put glyphs on my new shiny armor. Wait till you see me! ;D

Islyn · November 2015

Marrtha wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Marrtha wrote: »

Phew, it's warm in here. On a serious note, there are more subtle ways of advertising, and there are more tacky ones of course. Some may be like, meh, a pop-up window, just like they are 'meh, he is killing the mobs, I will take this node in front of his nose'. But others mind and speak up about it. And they have every right to do so. Calling each other cry babies etc. won't help (obviously).

I would prefer a more subtle way of letting us know, a little exclamation point on the crown in the menu, like the one we get for a champion point? And if there is someone who missed something in the crown store because they didn't know, then they are seriously detached. There are the forums, the website, the launcher, and the game. Go and browse. But then again, I understand why ZOS would want to shove it up our noses. But well whether they have right to do it or not, discussable, it is their game and their content. Maybe they meant nothing bad.

Okay now... for everyone.

But I want a brownie!! xD Are you coming to play tonight??

Of course I am. I dismissed the pop-up window and I am ready to go! Did some quests this morning. Gotta put glyphs on my new shiny armor. Wait till you see me! ;D

Woop! Can't wait!!!

Hiero_Glyph · November 2015

@NewBlacksmurf

I never stated that ZOS is forcing me to purchase crowns, but I do not want pop-up ads in a game I already purchased. If a F2P wants to go that route then as a non-paying customer I would consider it somewhat justified. As others have noted there are alternative methods to notify players about new items, such as adding a notification marker in the menu for the Crown Store just like it does when you get new mail or such. Anyway, the point being that there are less obtrusive methods that will get players this information and if done well, then it can also include patch notes with the actual patch instead of forcing players to come to the forums. Other information can be included in this manner as well. The current pop-up system will not support more information without adding more pop-ups. It is effective but extremely limited in function.

As for Warframe, what does an access model have to do with a title screen interface? As @Korah_Eaglecry noted, you are arguing against the wrong thing here. What you should be telling me is why having patch notes and crown store updates on the title screen is bad for ESO.

Cously · November 2015

Whenever I log Steam I have a popup with the latest offers. Happens only once and it can be turned off in the settings. Perharps they could take that approach. "Turn ON/OFF Crown Store Offers Popups" and move on.

Stonesthrow · November 2015

Couldn't bring myself to read the pages added since yesterday, but in my useless opinion…

Since they have stated that it will only be once, when they add/discontinue new items, not every time you log in or out, switch chars or whatever… it is not a big deal.

If you remember… they had a brief moment where they were announcing the crown store with system wide in game messages. They listened to feedback and they stopped. They have to do something to generate revenue, this seems mostly harmless so get a towel and move on.

My vote is during a load screen you would have the option to pull up the patch notes or crown store to peruse while you wait.

NewBlacksmurf · November 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

I never stated that ZOS is forcing me to purchase crowns, but I do not want pop-up ads in a game I already purchased. If a F2P wants to go that route then as a non-paying customer I would consider it somewhat justified. As others have noted there are alternative methods to notify players about new items, such as adding a notification marker in the menu for the Crown Store just like it does when you get new mail or such. Anyway, the point being that there are less obtrusive methods that will get players this information and if done well, then it can also include patch notes with the actual patch instead of forcing players to come to the forums. Other information can be included in this manner as well. The current pop-up system will not support more information without adding more pop-ups. It is effective but extremely limited in function.

As for Warframe, what does an access model have to do with a title screen interface? As @Korah_Eaglecry noted, you are arguing against the wrong thing here. What you should be telling me is why having patch notes and crown store updates on the title screen is bad for ESO.

Ok this caused me to read that you felt this is being forced on players...

"This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it."

While there are other ways...Id argue there are very few effective ways. This thread along identifies this method is most effective in notifying and offering or informing players of such offers as no one has shared it was misinterpreted or overlooked and that's the goal. It's not to force you and nothing forces people....forcing would be if the screen pops and requires you to buy crowns to proceed. That's hardly the situation here.

The patch notes while they have benefit are far too long to appear in this method. Those would be most effective done elsewhere

This serves the purpose as identified by you and others here. It's just that you don't like their approach....that's cool. Click and go...it's not a big deal or impacting anyone negatively other than eye candy

UrQuan · November 2015

Stonesthrow wrote: »

this seems mostly harmless so get a towel and move on

You got an awesome specifically for the part that I quoted. Don't panic!

Tannakaobi · November 2015

I'm confused.

Why should Zos not be able to advertise their own products on their own product?

obscure7 · November 2015

A man goes to a local high school football game because he likes high school football, and because he likes to support the local community.

As he buys a ticket, he is handed a flyer advertising some merchandise and souvenirs which go towards supporting the team. He is outraged at the audacity of this in-your-face advertising, and decides to complain to everyone sitting around him about what just happened. Some people ignore him, while others tell him to shut up, and others agree with him 100%

But then they all realize that football is more important than complaining about a flyer, and they all throw their flyers away and enjoy the game.

Reavyne · November 2015

This is a none issue move on and stop complaining bout stupid *** lol.

NewBlacksmurf · November 2015

obscure7 wrote: »

A man goes to a local high school football game because he likes high school football, and because he likes to support the local community.

As he buys a ticket, he is handed a flyer advertising some merchandise and souvenirs which go towards supporting the team. He is outraged at the audacity of this in-your-face advertising, and decides to complain to everyone sitting around him about what just happened. Some people ignore him, while others tell him to shut up, and others agree with him 100%

But then they all realize that football is more important than complaining about a flyer, and they all throw their flyers away and enjoy the game.

+1

vamp_emily · November 2015

Please sit down before you read this, I would hate for you to faint and hurt yourself.

I think they should have advertisements on load screens, or maybe a commercial while waiting

and make it ad free for all people who sub

SantieClaws · November 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I'm confused.

Why should Zos not be able to advertise their own products on their own product?

Because many people have already paid for a sub ie already paid for the product.

Hiero_Glyph · November 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

I never stated that ZOS is forcing me to purchase crowns, but I do not want pop-up ads in a game I already purchased. If a F2P wants to go that route then as a non-paying customer I would consider it somewhat justified. As others have noted there are alternative methods to notify players about new items, such as adding a notification marker in the menu for the Crown Store just like it does when you get new mail or such. Anyway, the point being that there are less obtrusive methods that will get players this information and if done well, then it can also include patch notes with the actual patch instead of forcing players to come to the forums. Other information can be included in this manner as well. The current pop-up system will not support more information without adding more pop-ups. It is effective but extremely limited in function.

As for Warframe, what does an access model have to do with a title screen interface? As @Korah_Eaglecry noted, you are arguing against the wrong thing here. What you should be telling me is why having patch notes and crown store updates on the title screen is bad for ESO.

Ok this caused me to read that you felt this is being forced on players...

"This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it."

While there are other ways...Id argue there are very few effective ways. This thread along identifies this method is most effective in notifying and offering or informing players of such offers as no one has shared it was misinterpreted or overlooked and that's the goal. It's not to force you and nothing forces people....forcing would be if the screen pops and requires you to buy crowns to proceed. That's hardly the situation here.

The patch notes while they have benefit are far too long to appear in this method. Those would be most effective done elsewhere

This serves the purpose as identified by you and others here. It's just that you don't like their approach....that's cool. Click and go...it's not a big deal or impacting anyone negatively other than eye candy

So where in the post you quoted did I say I am being forced to purchase crowns? The fact that the pop-up is forcing the crown store on me has no impact on me purchasing crowns; you made that conclusion all on your own.

As for forcing or not, if I want to purchase an item I know where the crown store is and how to open it. I am now being forced to interact with a pop-up before I can do anything else in-game all because a 'new' item is being offered. Off-topic but I wonder if this will extend to sales on items as well? It is certainly a precipitous slope.

As for the patch notes, why would going outside of the game ever be preffered to viewing them in the client? Wouldn't it be better to offer both for those players that prefer the forums and for those that never visit the forums? I mean the only way the current method is better is if 100% of all active players visit the forums.

Again, if the pop-up was optionial then I could decide if the pop-up was worth the information it provided. Instead this decision has been forced upon me regardless of if the information provided is valuable to me or not. And for the record, it is certainly not eye candy.

UrQuan · November 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I'm confused.

Why should Zos not be able to advertise their own products on their own product?

Because many people have already paid for a sub ie already paid for the product.

Which means they already have crowns that they can spend on stuff without having to open the pocket book and spend any more actual money... So why are these people opposed to being shown the new or limited time items that they can spend their crowns on that they already have?

vonfelty · November 2015

So if they update the crown store everyday you will get a pop up everyday?

It would not be too hard to give subscribers the option to turn this off.

Stonesthrow · November 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I'm confused.

Why should Zos not be able to advertise their own products on their own product?

Because many people have already paid for a sub ie already paid for the product.

Which means they already have crowns that they can spend on stuff without having to open the pocket book and spend any more actual money... So why are these people opposed to being shown the new or limited time items that they can spend their crowns on that they already have?

You are faced with a generation of Cable/Tivo/DVR commercial skipping folks that don't get it… bless their hearts. /shrug

I sub. I have spent a hundred more on crowns. It took me one click to close the window.

Hell… I get more pop ads every morning with my homepage set to CNN Money.

Hiero_Glyph · November 2015

obscure7 wrote: »

A man goes to a local high school football game because he likes high school football, and because he likes to support the local community.

As he buys a ticket, he is handed a flyer advertising some merchandise and souvenirs which go towards supporting the team. He is outraged at the audacity of this in-your-face advertising, and decides to complain to everyone sitting around him about what just happened. Some people ignore him, while others tell him to shut up, and others agree with him 100%

But then they all realize that football is more important than complaining about a flyer, and they all throw their flyers away and enjoy the game.

So the end result is more garbage for the sake of trying to sell merchandise and souvenirs? I'm just saying that's how you noted the system works. What if instead they used a QR code that let people that were interested in more information about the game/team view the flyer digitally and limited printed flyers were available at the ticket counter for anyone who wanted them as well? I'm sure the result would be less litter and far more enjoyment from the customers about supporting their team.

EDIT: The QR code could even be on the ticket.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

So nobody reads the patch notes? *

This is a one-time thing that you'll see the first time you log on to a character on your account (but not on each character) when there's something that's different in the featured items on the Crown Store. It's so that people are aware of the new stuff, but it's only one time so that it's not annoying.

*Other than @AmmonErebos and @KriHavok anyway...

I actually appreciate they have something letting us know of new things available on the crown store. I'm not a big proponent of cash shops on MMO's, but it is nice to be aware of what is there. Most items I have no interest in purchasing, in large part because they gut the soul of the gameplaying experience, at least for an oldtimer like me. I realize it isn't a real accomplishment, but cash shops have a tendency to kill the feeling of accomplishment or progression in an mmo. Even so, I don't mind advertisement about new releases of things. I am the sort of player who will quit a game if I get splash ads while playing. 9Dragons (among many other asian games) was killed by that.

obscure7 · November 2015

nevermind, i said what i had to say, don't need anything more.

NewBlacksmurf · November 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

I never stated that ZOS is forcing me to purchase crowns, but I do not want pop-up ads in a game I already purchased. If a F2P wants to go that route then as a non-paying customer I would consider it somewhat justified. As others have noted there are alternative methods to notify players about new items, such as adding a notification marker in the menu for the Crown Store just like it does when you get new mail or such. Anyway, the point being that there are less obtrusive methods that will get players this information and if done well, then it can also include patch notes with the actual patch instead of forcing players to come to the forums. Other information can be included in this manner as well. The current pop-up system will not support more information without adding more pop-ups. It is effective but extremely limited in function.

As for Warframe, what does an access model have to do with a title screen interface? As @Korah_Eaglecry noted, you are arguing against the wrong thing here. What you should be telling me is why having patch notes and crown store updates on the title screen is bad for ESO.

Ok this caused me to read that you felt this is being forced on players...

"This was not an attempt by ZOS to give players better information. This is an attempt to force the crown store on players as a way to make more money. Yes, some players missed limited time items but forcing this information on everyone is hardly a proper resolution for what a few players missed. Anyway, if this was an optional pop-up then there would be no issue here. Instead ZOS is trying to spam everyone in an effort to make more money. I'm not against ZOS making money, I just don't want to purchase a goat; and if I do want to purchase something I already know where to look for it."

While there are other ways...Id argue there are very few effective ways. This thread along identifies this method is most effective in notifying and offering or informing players of such offers as no one has shared it was misinterpreted or overlooked and that's the goal. It's not to force you and nothing forces people....forcing would be if the screen pops and requires you to buy crowns to proceed. That's hardly the situation here.

The patch notes while they have benefit are far too long to appear in this method. Those would be most effective done elsewhere

This serves the purpose as identified by you and others here. It's just that you don't like their approach....that's cool. Click and go...it's not a big deal or impacting anyone negatively other than eye candy

So where in the post you quoted did I say I am being forced to purchase crowns? The fact that the pop-up is forcing the crown store on me has no impact on me purchasing crowns; you made that conclusion all on your own.

As for forcing or not, if I want to purchase an item I know where the crown store is and how to open it. I am now being forced to interact with a pop-up before I can do anything else in-game all because a 'new' item is being offered. Off-topic but I wonder if this will extend to sales on items as well? It is certainly a precipitous slope.

As for the patch notes, why would going outside of the game ever be preffered to viewing them in the client? Wouldn't it be better to offer both for those players that prefer the forums and for those that never visit the forums? I mean the only way the current method is better is if 100% of all active players visit the forums.

Again, if the pop-up was optionial then I could decide if the pop-up was worth the information it provided. Instead this decision has been forced upon me regardless of if the information provided is valuable to me or not. And for the record, it is certainly not eye candy.

In parenthesis I cut and paste your comments and highlighted it in my last reply.

This game is made by a company whose "game" you're going into. In their presentation they get to pick and choose when and where they market, inform, suggest, offer or lack there of.

Patch notes have never been in TES nor have they been in this game. I'd agree that the game would benefit from such information but I also consider it more logical not to be in the game due to the forums.

Each has its place so the pop-up is ZOS' way to inform customers of what they intend to offer. It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's not different than a EULA or Agreement. Each time those change you see them and can choose to read or just bypass.

Patch notes wouldn't be welcome to in-game cause ppl don't read the forums and don't read a lot of in-game things. Perhaps the best approach for changes is to color the text of abilities and a "pop-up" or tool-tip by skill, stat, item, section or whatnot but I've not seen it done successfully in any game so blast off ideas with depictions and maybe they catch on and land in the game. BUT I'd bet your tips are turned off as well as others so you wouldn't see this either. Anything that can be turned off becomes ineffective ways to inform or provide information.

All in all I'm saying it's fine to disagree and dislike but this isn't in any way a big deal as its being considered as in this thread. It's definitely worth feedback but not forced, invasive, restricting or a problem.

ItsGlaive · November 2015

If I see it once every couple of months or so I can't see it becoming a bother. If it's weekly it'll begin to grate on me.

I just want to see the hero costumes, mercenary and thieves guild costumes advertised on it asap - then I'll be happy :P

Tannakaobi · November 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I'm confused.

Why should Zos not be able to advertise their own products on their own product?

Because many people have already paid for a sub ie already paid for the product.

So they bought a product with advertisement in it? It's like buying a box of cereal and then being outraged that the company advertise there other cereals on the back.

I'd go so far as to say you should be grateful for them.

As a subscriber you get free crowns every month, what is better than an advertisement that pops up only when new stuff is put on sale and only for that new stuff. It means that you don't need to go in the crown store ever other than when you want to buy something and you will still have the knowledge of what is there.

Recremen · November 2015

I was super worried about it, but I checked the patch notes and had my fears alleviated. Still, not the worst thing in the world as it was once per account.

me_ming · November 2015

Honestly, the people that complain about things that they can actually get rid of in a matter of seconds are just plain lazy. Seriously guys, even if, let's say, it's a way for ZoS to advertise their products, it's THEIR product, of course they're suppose to advertise it. What do you expect? And it's not like they have new things in Crown everyday. If ZoS doesn't inform you on things you complain, if they do, you complain. I mean, wtf?! You're not annoyed that they're advertising it, you're annoyed because you have to take the "extra effort" to close it. That's laziness.