1 account, 1 faction

F7sus4 · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

So, will there ever be a faction lock on user accounts?

You know you can't overlap campaigns on your characters in different factions? This pretty much solves everything you wanted to propose with "faction lock", just in a smoother way.

You can home with 1 main, guest in another with another faction whilst an ally faction can use you as a spy?

Another simple fix would be 1 campaign per account, not one per character.

Yeah, let's make it so that it's impossible for PVE players to ever get Alliance War skills that are also very useful for PVE on some of their characters! Oh, you want to get caltrops on your DC tank? Too bad, because you're only allowed 1 campaign per account, and you're already in a campaign on your AD character!

I'm pretty sure it was about overlapping the same campaign on characters in different factions and not about being forced to have a main campaign on 1 character only.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ehh.... kinda a bad idea but side note I do think any race any alliance was a terrible idea that kinda killed it for the game.

So you think it makes more sense that, on escaping from Coldharbour everyone just happened to wash up in the alliance where the majority of the members of their race live? And nobody ended up somewhere else? Despite the fact that members of every race live in every alliance?

Frankly, the terrible idea was restricting anyone's race/alliance choices. Everyone should have had any race any alliance without having to pay for it. It makes much more sense, and is much more true to the Elder Scrolls experience.

But thing is half of ESO story is the alliance war and the 3 races of said alliance fighting the other 7 races. Before they offered the any race any alliance bonus ESO had one of those deceleration of wars documents you can read just to increases the hype and ex The Aldmeri Dominian one from Queen Ayren was basicly calling for the support of the Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit only to fight for the eagle banner.

After it magicaly changes to say any one can fight for it even nords race of man who the Queen does not want on the Ruby Throne at all that's why she is even leading in the first place to prevent King Jorunn or King Emric of the race of men from taking the Throne cause she just like the Thalmor mind you believe only a elf may sit on the throne since it was built by them. (was built by St. Allessia but story for another time.)

So yea any race any alliance doesn't make sense when a nord of the race of men is fighting for a elf queen who wants elf supremacy. If anything if a nord washed up on the shores of the Aldemri Dominion they instantly accuse of being a spy and lock him up or execute him not offer him/her to join there ranks.

MountainHound · October 2015

How does a semi troll thread generate almost 100 replies. When it's this easy it is not fun.

UrQuan · October 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

So, will there ever be a faction lock on user accounts?

You know you can't overlap campaigns on your characters in different factions? This pretty much solves everything you wanted to propose with "faction lock", just in a smoother way.

You can home with 1 main, guest in another with another faction whilst an ally faction can use you as a spy?

Another simple fix would be 1 campaign per account, not one per character.

Yeah, let's make it so that it's impossible for PVE players to ever get Alliance War skills that are also very useful for PVE on some of their characters! Oh, you want to get caltrops on your DC tank? Too bad, because you're only allowed 1 campaign per account, and you're already in a campaign on your AD character!

I'm pretty sure it was about overlapping the same campaign on characters in different factions and not about being forced to have a main campaign on 1 character only.

Nope, he said 1 campaign per account. You already can't have characters of opposing characters in the same campaign (home or guest), so if it's 1 campaign per account that means that you can only have characters of one of the 3 alliances ever do PVP, and any characters you have of the other 2 alliances are SOL.

JaJaLuka · October 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163317/grumpys-guid-to-pvp-video#latest
Necro'd a thread through boredom...

Xeniph · October 2015

MountainHound wrote: »

My main guild could be Rage that homes Trueflame but our allies missfits are home in Azura (examples)

Sadly Misfitz are no more.

I completely agree here. I have 8 toons all AD.

And while they are at it they need to stop ALL guesting and switching of campaigns. Those folks that hop from campaigns "Looking" for action" annoy me, if only they had of managed their home campaign better.

And lets take it a step further and lock campaign population to the lowest alliance's current pop. Queue times be damned, it would be healthy for the map. And for all that is holy, remove IC from Cyrodill's population cap, it serves no purpose.

Then, just to make a bunch of cash in the first month of these changes, offer Alliance changes in the crown store, with a 48 hour CD for small fee.

Just my 2 cents.

MountainHound · October 2015

I agree Xeniph.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

Xeniph wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

My main guild could be Rage that homes Trueflame but our allies missfits are home in Azura (examples)

Sadly Misfitz are no more.

I completely agree here. I have 8 toons all AD.

And while they are at it they need to stop ALL guesting and switching of campaigns. Those folks that hop from campaigns "Looking" for action" annoy me, if only they had of managed their home campaign better.

And lets take it a step further and lock campaign population to the lowest alliance's current pop. Queue times be damned, it would be healthy for the map. And for all that is holy, remove IC from Cyrodill's population cap, it serves no purpose.

Then, just to make a bunch of cash in the first month of these changes, offer Alliance changes in the crown store, with a 48 hour CD for small fee.

Just my 2 cents.

I have heard this idea, and it is the worst idea ever. The reason it is so bad is because it can be abused. Imagine for a moment you are the underdog faction, but you don't want to have as much opposition in Cyrodiil. You can get people in your faction to load up alt accounts on your campaign in the stronger factions. You can simply weaken their ability to fight you by having people stand around the fountain twiddling their thumbs. This is a horrible idea that should never see the light of day.

I wouldn't have a problem with IC being part of Cyrodiil populations -if- it in some way meant something for the war as a whole (which it should).

MountainHound · October 2015

IC should not count towards Cyrodiil's population. Make it seperate or limit IC to 1 camapign or have a few campaigns with NO IC what so ever.

SirAndy · October 2015

MountainHound wrote: »

So, will there ever be a faction lock on user accounts?

F7sus4 · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

So, will there ever be a faction lock on user accounts?

You know you can't overlap campaigns on your characters in different factions? This pretty much solves everything you wanted to propose with "faction lock", just in a smoother way.

You can home with 1 main, guest in another with another faction whilst an ally faction can use you as a spy?

Another simple fix would be 1 campaign per account, not one per character.

Yeah, let's make it so that it's impossible for PVE players to ever get Alliance War skills that are also very useful for PVE on some of their characters! Oh, you want to get caltrops on your DC tank? Too bad, because you're only allowed 1 campaign per account, and you're already in a campaign on your AD character!

I'm pretty sure it was about overlapping the same campaign on characters in different factions and not about being forced to have a main campaign on 1 character only.

Nope, he said 1 campaign per account. You already can't have characters of opposing characters in the same campaign (home or guest), so if it's 1 campaign per account that means that you can only have characters of one of the 3 alliances ever do PVP, and any characters you have of the other 2 alliances are SOL.

It was a reminder of what I meant, but was misunderstood.

Oh, and by the way, there's no real reason to discuss idea what will never happen. And here's why: "What would happen to your already existing characters that are (quite possibly) spread out around different factions? You lose them? Really? How fair that would be? Instead, you're preventing players from creating more characters in different factions? How fair is that in regard to players who didn't have them versus those who already have them?". The problem can't be justly solved, therefore no one will even ever consider introducing such idea. It's just a fan-fiction. One of thousands at the forums, actually.

UrQuan · October 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ehh.... kinda a bad idea but side note I do think any race any alliance was a terrible idea that kinda killed it for the game.

So you think it makes more sense that, on escaping from Coldharbour everyone just happened to wash up in the alliance where the majority of the members of their race live? And nobody ended up somewhere else? Despite the fact that members of every race live in every alliance?

Frankly, the terrible idea was restricting anyone's race/alliance choices. Everyone should have had any race any alliance without having to pay for it. It makes much more sense, and is much more true to the Elder Scrolls experience.

But thing is half of ESO story is the alliance war and the 3 races of said alliance fighting the other 7 races. Before they offered the any race any alliance bonus ESO had one of those deceleration of wars documents you can read just to increases the hype and ex The Aldmeri Dominian one from Queen Ayren was basicly calling for the support of the Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit only to fight for the eagle banner.

After it magicaly changes to say any one can fight for it even nords race of man who the Queen does not want on the Ruby Throne at all that's why she is even leading in the first place to prevent King Jorunn or King Emric of the race of men from taking the Throne cause she just like the Thalmor mind you believe only a elf may sit on the throne since it was built by them. (was built by St. Allessia but story for another time.)

So yea any race any alliance doesn't make sense when a nord of the race of men is fighting for a elf queen who wants elf supremacy. If anything if a nord washed up on the shores of the Aldemri Dominion they instantly accuse of being a spy and lock him up or execute him not offer him/her to join there ranks.

Um, no, not really. The alliance war isn't about 3 races fighting 2 other groups of 3 races each. It's about 3 factions at war, each made up of 3 political bodies (I hesitate to call them nations, because some are and some aren't really). Each one of those political bodies is dominated by one race, but each of them also includes many citizens of all of the other races of Tamriel. If you go through the PVE zones you see many examples of citizens of all races in each zone. The majority of the citizens are of the races who dominate the alliance, but there are loads who aren't and for the most part they're not treated much differently from "home alliance" races.

UrQuan · October 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

So, will there ever be a faction lock on user accounts?

You know you can't overlap campaigns on your characters in different factions? This pretty much solves everything you wanted to propose with "faction lock", just in a smoother way.

You can home with 1 main, guest in another with another faction whilst an ally faction can use you as a spy?

Another simple fix would be 1 campaign per account, not one per character.

Yeah, let's make it so that it's impossible for PVE players to ever get Alliance War skills that are also very useful for PVE on some of their characters! Oh, you want to get caltrops on your DC tank? Too bad, because you're only allowed 1 campaign per account, and you're already in a campaign on your AD character!

I'm pretty sure it was about overlapping the same campaign on characters in different factions and not about being forced to have a main campaign on 1 character only.

Nope, he said 1 campaign per account. You already can't have characters of opposing characters in the same campaign (home or guest), so if it's 1 campaign per account that means that you can only have characters of one of the 3 alliances ever do PVP, and any characters you have of the other 2 alliances are SOL.

It was a reminder of what I meant, but was misunderstood.

Ah, OK. My reply to him was based on his "simple fix" idea of only allowing 1 campaign per account. Not based on what you'd been saying about not being able to overlap campaigns.

F7sus4 wrote: »

Oh, and by the way, there's no real reason to discuss idea what will never happen. And here's why: "What would happen to your already existing characters that are (quite possibly) spread out around different factions? You lose them? Really? How fair that would be? Instead, you're preventing players from creating more characters in different factions? How fair is that in regard to players who didn't have them versus those who already have them?". The problem can't be justly solved, therefore no one will even ever consider introducing such idea. It's just a fan-fiction. One of thousands at the forums, actually.

Agreed. It will never happen, and that's a good thing.

MountainHound · October 2015

It will happen.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · October 2015

My characters are all AD, but...and here it comes, I would never impose my choice on others..

WreckfulAbandon · October 2015

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

NovaMarx · October 2015

If they ever made a Roleplaying server, then maybe (MAYBE) they could make some kind of restriction of that nature.

But no, just no.

TalonShina · October 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

My characters are all AD, but...and here it comes, I would never impose my choice on others..

YOU win! Mine are all AD as well even have and AD Orc. However when I first started the game I experimented with classes/races/and factions. If I had been locked the second I chose a faction I would have been disappointed. I wanted to test all the factions before picking a storyline I liked I always went back to the AD and decided that is where I belonged

UrQuan · October 2015

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

WreckfulAbandon · October 2015

One cool thing they could do if they implemented 1 account 1 faction would be to make your characters of different alliances fight to the death.

You would have to pick your faction and then you could control those characters vs. your other characters controlled by a sadistic AI.

If you only had one character of your new chosen faction and you lost the fight vs. your other characters, ACCOUNT DELETED!

Yeah, I think everyone could get behind something like this

UrQuan · October 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

My characters are all AD, but...and here it comes, I would never impose my choice on others..

Hey look! Someone gets it!

MountainHound · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

PVP >>> PVE.

UrQuan · October 2015

MountainHound wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

PVP >>> PVE.

You should probably go find an MMO that's PVP-centric then.

phtony06b14_ESO · October 2015

When you have to grind through all 3 faction's main quest lines in order to hit level cap, how can there be any faction loyalty? Not everyone is a zergball gamer.

Hand_Bacon · October 2015

Maybe if they made the reward for PvP'ing an ice cream social...

Cathexis · October 2015

Realistically implementing 1 account 1 faction would be a jarring experience for a lot of players.

My solution has always been this:

Players can choose any side when assigning a home campaign.
Sides can be chosen once at the beginning of every campaign.
Offer contracts per campaign that reward players more for joining lower pop sides of a campaign (scaling across faction population ratios at the time of contract)
Players only receive their reward for completing the campaign.

Players are already choosing whatever side they want to play on. Why not just acknowledge that and create reasonable incentives to commit for reasonable periods.

WreckfulAbandon · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

Eh, if you leave cause you're suddenly forced to invest your time and effort into one side only, good riddance.

Seriously though, bunch of damn narcissists... PvP has been plagued by entire guilds "rerolling" for long enough.

Oh, and screw PvE.

MountainHound · October 2015

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

Eh, if you leave cause you're suddenly forced to invest your time and effort into one side only, good riddance.

Seriously though, bunch of damn narcissists... PvP has been plagued by entire guilds "rerolling" for long enough.

Oh, and screw PvE.

Hey look! Someone gets it!

Xeniph · October 2015

TalonShina wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

My characters are all AD, but...and here it comes, I would never impose my choice on others..

YOU win! Mine are all AD as well even have and AD Orc. However when I first started the game I experimented with classes/races/and factions. If I had been locked the second I chose a faction I would have been disappointed. I wanted to test all the factions before picking a storyline I liked I always went back to the AD and decided that is where I belonged

What is being discussed here concerns exclusivly Cyrodill. As the "experience" is the same for all factions it renders your argument largely irrelevant.

The faction lock need not interfere with folk's icky pve wishes.

Shunravi · October 2015

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Why are some ppl so hostile to this idea?

If they added in-faction dueling and gave everyone a one-time faction switch I don't think this would be a terrible idea. This is war, not an ice cream social!

Yeah, people should be forced to abandon the faction storylines they're enjoying playing through! Because screw everyone who isn't only in the game for PVP!

People are hostile to the idea because it's a terrible idea that causes far more problems than it "solves" and it would *** off a massive portion of the player base, and probably cause a lot of them to stop playing. I mean, if you want an idea to kill the game, then yeah this one's great. Probably the best method of killing the game I've ever seen proposed.

Once again: in a PVP-only MMO, this could work fine. In an MMO where the vast majority of the zones are PVE-only, and a very large portion of the player base is either entirely or primarily PVE, and a huge number of people already have characters in all alliances, this is basically the worst idea ever. Unless you're specifically hoping to kill the game entirely. In which case it's a great idea.

Eh, if you leave cause you're suddenly forced to invest your time and effort into one side only, good riddance.

Seriously though, bunch of damn narcissists... PvP has been plagued by entire guilds "rerolling" for long enough.

Oh, and screw PvE.

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