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This needs to be adressed. Now.
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WB...
- Is buggy has f*** when it comes to CC
- Costs literally nothing for its damage
- Is fairly easy to counter for stamina builds who can afford to dodge roll / block...
- ...Not so much for magicka DKs / Temps
- Can be blocked to prevent CC? WB doesn't care (how many times did I block 1 second before a WB at 50%+ stamina and still got CC'd even at 80 ms? Too many times)
- Is used by 90% of the stamina users in Cyro. Ok, when was the last time someone used Cleave w/morph? Or you died to Low slash / Puncture? Or Twin Slashes? You don't think there's an issue when a skill is used THAT much? Don't think there's a reason?
TL;DR:
- Increase WB cost*
- Fix CC immunity
- Make other options not completely underwhelming compared to WB
* Special mentions to PvE players saying it's going to kill PvE stam users when it can already be spammed forever** without even using drinks.
** forever means forever. Like, you actually regen stamina while using WB.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ok, when was the last time someone used Cleave w/morph? OrLow slash / Puncture? Or Twin Slashes?
If it's any consolation I run all 4 on various alts.
- The morph I go for with Cleave is Brawler for the Damage Shield.
- The morph I go with for Low Slash is Deep Slash for the splash effect.
- The morph I go with for Puncture is Pierce Armor to debuff Spell Resistance too.
- The morph I go with for Twin Slashes is Blood Craze because my Archer needs all the healing he can get lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭Problem with wrecking blow is this since they added the dodge roll nerf, it's much harder to avoid it's damage even if we do see it coming.1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You know, as much as people complain about Wrecking Blow I'm surprised no one has tried using Negate Magic or 1 of its morphs and stood inside the globe and attacked the wrecker from inside. Mind you this would only work for Sorcerers but still...
Maybe someone has tried this though, but just thought I'd throw that out there lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭I always wondered.
How is WB any different than Crystal Frags?
Both can be spammed and do those levels of damage, crystal frags even moreso tbh.
Is WB OP simply because its a close range skill and thus "harder" to dodge?
Both have a wind-up/charge time..CF though having a chance to instacast.
Which is laughable, you can jog into their character model and it'll cancel the animation for WB. Lets be real here.
I used 2H for a time then switched to DW due to how common it is for the animation to simply be cancelled because the enemy moves slightly to the left and such.
If anything I'd say CF is more OP since they can run away and spam high damage skills that due to the lag in pvp will most likely hit you even when you're in mid-dodge roll.
Should at least in fairness sake make it so if you hit someone casting CF it stuns them akin to how people want WB to be nerfed.Edited by LBxFinalDeath on October 22, 2015 10:02AM3 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's the glitch with cc immunity that makes it op.
Wrecking blowed. Get up.
Wrecking blowed to the floor again instantly. Get up.
Wrecking blowed to the floor again instantly. No stam to get up.
WB
WB
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭hate it when a skill that takes a second to channel hits me......
Honestly, this is a l2p issue, you know there is no collision detection and you can walk through someone trying to WB you!
whilst yes you can get hit with one unexpected WB, getting rekt by someone spamming it, is not the games fault it's yours.
More importantly there are many other skills that hit just as hard and in some cases harder1 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭RizaHawkeye wrote: »This is why every single below-level-50-zone is filled with people grinding out 2-handed so they can get the Nightblade Wrecking Blow combo meal.
Oh, and wait til they nerf it. The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be Biblically epic.
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Teiji✭✭✭✭✭This is all a result of the wonderful idea to remove interruptibility from WB. Many months ago you'd be able to bash it, they removed this with long term health of the game in mind.
Bash drains stamina on console, stamina doesn't regenerate while blocking either; meaning that if Bash was allowed to interrupt Wrecking Blow console sales would've dropped; another great decision from the suits."Serving Boethiah is Freedom, embracing heroism is Liberty, existing solely for noxiphilic sanguivoria is truth." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Three different players used it in that last report wow.
Could it be number of players attacking you need nerfed? lol
NPC wrecking blow is much stronger BTW.
Nerf everything, then everything will be equal and need nerfed again!
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Edited by TequilaFire on October 22, 2015 12:18PM0 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RizaHawkeye wrote: »This is why every single below-level-50-zone is filled with people grinding out 2-handed so they can get the Nightblade Wrecking Blow combo meal.
[ smiles ]
I like combo meals.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.
This is the way wrecking blow used to work. The new empower buff, from when they revamped/streamlined buffs, does empower the next attack using the same skill. You can see an example of it in the top most photo in the OP. The first one is 9757 and the second one is 11707. That is almost exactly a 20% increase.
Why in the 3rd imagine is there an example of to 2 consecutive Wrecking Blows with the same damage then?
Okay go test it or just continue on in your false belief, either way works for me. Empower applies to the skill that caused it now. That applies to dark flare and wrecking blow.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simple solution. Leave WB as it is, but make it 2s induction time.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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I don’t know if there is any difference between console and PC (I play on console). In my opinion WB is fine as it is... but, if someone on console is timing his/her WB correctly, they’ll keep you in stunlock until you die - you don’t have a chance to react if the first WB knocks you down. Problem is CC immunity + Lag and not WB itself. That said, 90% of the time it's my fault if a WB spammer kills me.0
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byrom101b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭daswahnsinn wrote: »If anyone thinks that wrecking blow is too powerful, they never been hit with Snipe or Crystal blast/Frag that hits on average 14k dmg. I think heavy attacks should be nerfed then no one should figure out how to play better than me or have any other skill that kills me
You only get hit for 14K+ with a Frags when it procs, when it is set up with Major Sorcery and when you have ZERO mitigation.
The only time you see those numbers under 'average' circumstances is when it crits from someone.
Nice try with the misinformation...2 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Last time I faced a Wrecking Blow spammer; I used my Bolt Escape to be well away from it, then dropped a Storm Atronach on him, quenched his thirst with some Liquid Lightning, and kept him warm with my Inferno Staff.
It turned out well for me.
Try moving around a bit, OP. I think you'll like the results.
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Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's the glitch with cc immunity that makes it op.
Wrecking blowed. Get up.
Wrecking blowed to the floor again instantly. Get up.
Wrecking blowed to the floor again instantly. No stam to get up.
WB
WB
WB
I call bull****. It should be;
wb
Wb
Dead.
Also yes cc immunity sometimes doesn't seem to work. Immovabiltiy pots do tho for some reason.Edited by Vangy on October 22, 2015 2:33PM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
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Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭I could easily post similar pictures filled with surprise attack or Crystal fragments. Wrecking blow is easy to avoid when the server isn't laggy.0 -
Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The fact that it hits 10k+ for a spammable, CC-ing ability, is worrying enough. What have they done to PvP...
May as well bring in a new skill line called "1 Button Win" and give everybody a new ability called "Win" which you slot on your bar and spam on your target. No need to snare them, no need to dodgeroll, no need to block, no need to DoT, no need to heal, no need to even think, no need to do ANYTHING! just keep using "Win" over and over again.
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭Srsl2p issue. Although there is a bug with CC immunity, I'll give you that.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
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Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »and here I wait for all the pro WB spammers to come in and rage saying WB isnt OP you just need to L2P.
WB isn't OP you just need to L2P.
You're welcome.
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭This game is actually more closer to standard MMORPG than I ever realized, I think it started with Crystal Fragment, people couldnt block, then it was Shooting Star (Mage guild DD) because people couldnt block, then Focused Aim, because people couldnt dodge, and now if last one is WB, after that Stun and Knockback. I think this is mistake, dodge/roll should be awesome, not joke of the game.Edited by Sausage on October 22, 2015 2:53PM1 -
coolermh✭✭✭I almost never get killed by WB. It is way to slow and easy to dodge. The only time you die to wb is if the cc lock you with another skill first and then cc immunity doesn't proc against it. They need to fix that glitch then the skill is fine.-MrHeid625
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm glad to see some many people here actually agree with WB.
Now, that third picture has some blocking from me mixed into it. That's why some numbers are off. Its purpose was to show how abused WB currently is. Best way to tell something is overpowered, is looking at the numbers.
About that dodging it by walking through it... Nope, like I said in my beginning post, people always keep a bit of distance to you. Which is easy, as WB has massive (and broken) range. You don't easily make it to them in time. For the record, I'm surely not standing still, I'm no idiot. I am trying Talons, but here's the funny thing: to activate them, I have to be veeery close. By the time I'm close enough, I'm already being hit and sent flying, as using Talons prevents me from blocking.
And I highly disagree with the damage statement. the damage burst is too much. Casting time is 0.8 seconds, actually. Not counting animation cancel or lag. First pick shows how two WBs can be enough for many people to die, most should have around 20k health. so you can potentially kill in 1.6 seconds, without limitations. That is quite ridiculous. Stamina builds won't suddenly be underpowered into oblivion if the damage gets NORMALIZED... I mean, as a magicka DK, I also have no damage spike like that. Where's the justice in that? That I have access to nerfed healing? Surely does not compensate for my pitiful stamina bar that allows me to block or dodge two times.
OH, AND ABOUT L2P:
What about the original magicka DKs that got nerfed into the ground? Or vampires? Did you learn to play around those?
L2P is a void argument with no meaning other than we exposed a certain overpoweredness and you people are afraid of losing your crutch.4 -
Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't worry, there's a load of players who use WB 24/7 because they don't know how else to play, and then they go around saying "L2P" to others, so they won't agree with your points or see how broken WB is, Lord-Otto.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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