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This needs to be adressed. Now.
Lord-Otto
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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_BrianWheeler
1. Wrecking Blow
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And if you need another comparison, a high-level Dawnbreaker of Smiting hits me (vampire) for a combined 14k.
Wrecking Blow IS overpowered, admit it finally, everyone already knows and spams it! We can argue how you can dodge it, but you can't. Experienced players always keep a distance to you so you don't get behind them, and roll-dodge doesn't work, neither does taking distance yourself. Block sucks up half of my stamina bar, and CC immunity is well-known to be broken. Hell, by the time you broke free, you're already being hit by the second one, and the numbers show how overpowered the damage is, despite the Battle Spirit thing. There is no justification for WB to produce such numbers, outdoing even ultimates. No. If you justify vampires losing their 10% passive for the sake of balancing, you HAVE to tweak Wrecking Blow. Everything else would be a double-standard.
2. Emperorship, campaigns and artillery (story incoming)
I think I'll forget about my hard-saved money for this game (I mean it, I did not eat much before this game released to save the money for it). And just delete it. This is a boiling point. But I'll have some sleep first.
Anyway, I just went to my home campaign to defend my keep with my guild leader. You know, a very hard-earned keep it was. Put up my CH ballista, fired it and repaired it. Just to have it snagged away by another V16, who would shoot it into the nothingness, just to destroy it. After a few messages, the picture was clear. He has a deal with the hostile fraction to get his emperorship by letting them capture the keeps.
Not only is this revealing how disgustingly corrupt emperorship in this game is, but I am extremely mad that I could do nothing to save my Coldharbour ballista. Every now and then, they are a bit difficult to come by.
I highly suggest integrating a "lockdown-function" into this game, which enables you to prevent your own sieges from being used by other players. Optional, of course. There is no good reason not to include this, and a very good reason TO include it. So please propose this to the developers, yes?
I would also suggest to think about a better emperorship system, but this would probably be futile, right? In any case, I reported that dude. It's unsportive behaviour, manipulation and exploiting. And definitely damaging my gaming experience. Don't know if something comes out of it, but in other games, you do get banned for nonsense like this. It's called boosting.
I'll leave it with that. There is so much more I could lament about, but those two are most important. I hope I could make my point clear and wish you all a good day.
1. Wrecking Blow
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
And if you need another comparison, a high-level Dawnbreaker of Smiting hits me (vampire) for a combined 14k.
Wrecking Blow IS overpowered, admit it finally, everyone already knows and spams it! We can argue how you can dodge it, but you can't. Experienced players always keep a distance to you so you don't get behind them, and roll-dodge doesn't work, neither does taking distance yourself. Block sucks up half of my stamina bar, and CC immunity is well-known to be broken. Hell, by the time you broke free, you're already being hit by the second one, and the numbers show how overpowered the damage is, despite the Battle Spirit thing. There is no justification for WB to produce such numbers, outdoing even ultimates. No. If you justify vampires losing their 10% passive for the sake of balancing, you HAVE to tweak Wrecking Blow. Everything else would be a double-standard.
2. Emperorship, campaigns and artillery (story incoming)
I think I'll forget about my hard-saved money for this game (I mean it, I did not eat much before this game released to save the money for it). And just delete it. This is a boiling point. But I'll have some sleep first.
Anyway, I just went to my home campaign to defend my keep with my guild leader. You know, a very hard-earned keep it was. Put up my CH ballista, fired it and repaired it. Just to have it snagged away by another V16, who would shoot it into the nothingness, just to destroy it. After a few messages, the picture was clear. He has a deal with the hostile fraction to get his emperorship by letting them capture the keeps.
Not only is this revealing how disgustingly corrupt emperorship in this game is, but I am extremely mad that I could do nothing to save my Coldharbour ballista. Every now and then, they are a bit difficult to come by.
I highly suggest integrating a "lockdown-function" into this game, which enables you to prevent your own sieges from being used by other players. Optional, of course. There is no good reason not to include this, and a very good reason TO include it. So please propose this to the developers, yes?
I would also suggest to think about a better emperorship system, but this would probably be futile, right? In any case, I reported that dude. It's unsportive behaviour, manipulation and exploiting. And definitely damaging my gaming experience. Don't know if something comes out of it, but in other games, you do get banned for nonsense like this. It's called boosting.
I'll leave it with that. There is so much more I could lament about, but those two are most important. I hope I could make my point clear and wish you all a good day.
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RizaHawkeye✭✭✭✭This is why every single below-level-50-zone is filled with people grinding out 2-handed so they can get the Nightblade Wrecking Blow combo meal.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
The heroes during times of war, are nothing but mass murderers during times of peace.
Riza Hawkeye
Learn to play, or resign to become one of pieces that is meant to be sacrificed.
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭and here I wait for all the pro WB spammers to come in and rage saying WB isnt OP you just need to L2P.
Look all you WB spammers can say what you want that WB is interruptible or you block or dodge and bla bla bla. Yes it's true you can dodge it or block it but that the problem players still do that and still get murdered by the spam that's how broken WB is that all the spammer has to do is just hit that one button over and over again till they win despite "interrupting" despite dodging and specially blocking. That is how broken WB is that despite all the counters and defense players still get murdered by it even after they (as you WB spammers are so fond of saying) learned to play.
Wb nerf ? No not much but fixed ? Yes WB needs fixed to not be this clearly and highly broken skill that is even more clearly highly abused.5 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You mean you don't like a overpowered, self-buffing, knock down ability? (that also bugs out half the time and still knocks down even with cc immunity and that can be heavy attack canceled) C'mon, that's crazy talk.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.5 -
Artemisshrikes✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_BrianWheeler
1. Wrecking Blow
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
And if you need another comparison, a high-level Dawnbreaker of Smiting hits me (vampire) for a combined 14k.
Wrecking Blow IS overpowered, admit it finally, everyone already knows and spams it! We can argue how you can dodge it, but you can't. Experienced players always keep a distance to you so you don't get behind them, and roll-dodge doesn't work, neither does taking distance yourself. Block sucks up half of my stamina bar, and CC immunity is well-known to be broken. Hell, by the time you broke free, you're already being hit by the second one, and the numbers show how overpowered the damage is, despite the Battle Spirit thing. There is no justification for WB to produce such numbers, outdoing even ultimates. No. If you justify vampires losing their 10% passive for the sake of balancing, you HAVE to tweak Wrecking Blow. Everything else would be a double-standard.
2. Emperorship, campaigns and artillery (story incoming)
I think I'll forget about my hard-saved money for this game (I mean it, I did not eat much before this game released to save the money for it). And just delete it. This is a boiling point. But I'll have some sleep first.
Anyway, I just went to my home campaign to defend my keep with my guild leader. You know, a very hard-earned keep it was. Put up my CH ballista, fired it and repaired it. Just to have it snagged away by another V16, who would shoot it into the nothingness, just to destroy it. After a few messages, the picture was clear. He has a deal with the hostile fraction to get his emperorship by letting them capture the keeps.
Not only is this revealing how disgustingly corrupt emperorship in this game is, but I am extremely mad that I could do nothing to save my Coldharbour ballista. Every now and then, they are a bit difficult to come by.
I highly suggest integrating a "lockdown-function" into this game, which enables you to prevent your own sieges from being used by other players. Optional, of course. There is no good reason not to include this, and a very good reason TO include it. So please propose this to the developers, yes?
I would also suggest to think about a better emperorship system, but this would probably be futile, right? In any case, I reported that dude. It's unsportive behaviour, manipulation and exploiting. And definitely damaging my gaming experience. Don't know if something comes out of it, but in other games, you do get banned for nonsense like this. It's called boosting.
I'll leave it with that. There is so much more I could lament about, but those two are most important. I hope I could make my point clear and wish you all a good day.
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BaldusMageezack✭✭✭Try taking two steps back. Two steps are OP. Even the NPC's spam wrecking blow get used to itEdited by BaldusMageezack on October 22, 2015 5:33AM3 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.
This is the way wrecking blow used to work. The new empower buff, from when they revamped/streamlined buffs, does empower the next attack using the same skill. You can see an example of it in the top most photo in the OP. The first one is 9757 and the second one is 11707. That is almost exactly a 20% increase.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)4 -
Helgi_Skotina✭✭✭You are just bad. WB is easy to block or avoid, learn to play. If WB will do less damage - it will be useless, and stamina players will get another nerf/Edited by Helgi_Skotina on October 22, 2015 5:37AM5 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭timidobserver wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.
This is the way wrecking blow used to work. The new empower buff, from when they revamped/streamlined buffs, does empower the next attack using the same skill. You can see an example of it in the top most photo in the OP. The first one is 9757 and the second one is 11707. That is almost exactly a 20% increase.
Why in the 3rd imagine is there an example of to 2 consecutive Wrecking Blows with the same damage then?Edited by dday3six on October 22, 2015 5:44AM0 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.
This is the way wrecking blow used to work. The new empower buff, from when they revamped/streamlined buffs, does empower the next attack using the same skill. You can see an example of it in the top most photo in the OP. The first one is 9757 and the second one is 11707. That is almost exactly a 20% increase.
Why in the 3rd imagine is there an example of to 2 consecutive Wreaking Blows with the same damage then?
Maybe a cooldown on empower? My question is why is the first one for 2137 in that same screenshot? What would make it deal 2/3's less dmg?
Edited by BaldusMageezack on October 22, 2015 5:44AM0 -
daswahnsinn✭✭✭If anyone thinks that wrecking blow is too powerful, they never been hit with Snipe or Crystal blast/Frag that hits on average 14k dmg. I think heavy attacks should be nerfed then no one should figure out how to play better than me or have any other skill that kills me
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen with Wreaking Blow is a fix to it not always triggering CC immunity. With a casting time it's damage is on par with the timeframe.
Be happy you are going against bads who don't weave in light attacks. Wreaking Blow does not Empower subsequent Wreaking Blows, so they are just leaving that 20% damage increase on the table. The damage difference is from crits or the other player buffing up.
Also only one example was a single player. The others were 2 and 3 players focusing on you. It wasn't WB that killed you then. It was being out numbered.
This is the way wrecking blow used to work. The new empower buff, from when they revamped/streamlined buffs, does empower the next attack using the same skill. You can see an example of it in the top most photo in the OP. The first one is 9757 and the second one is 11707. That is almost exactly a 20% increase.
Why in the 3rd imagine is there an example of to 2 consecutive Wreaking Blows with the same damage then?
Maybe a cooldown on empower? My question is why is the first one for 2137 in that same screenshot? What would make it deal 2/3's less dmg?
To me it looked like 2317 was the base damage and 6796 was a crit with the Shadow Mundus and some Divines on the Armor.2 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_BrianWheeler
1. Wrecking Blow
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
And if you need another comparison, a high-level Dawnbreaker of Smiting hits me (vampire) for a combined 14k.
Wrecking Blow IS overpowered, admit it finally, everyone already knows and spams it! We can argue how you can dodge it, but you can't. Experienced players always keep a distance to you so you don't get behind them, and roll-dodge doesn't work, neither does taking distance yourself. Block sucks up half of my stamina bar, and CC immunity is well-known to be broken. Hell, by the time you broke free, you're already being hit by the second one, and the numbers show how overpowered the damage is, despite the Battle Spirit thing. There is no justification for WB to produce such numbers, outdoing even ultimates. No. If you justify vampires losing their 10% passive for the sake of balancing, you HAVE to tweak Wrecking Blow. Everything else would be a double-standard.
2. Emperorship, campaigns and artillery (story incoming)
I think I'll forget about my hard-saved money for this game (I mean it, I did not eat much before this game released to save the money for it). And just delete it. This is a boiling point. But I'll have some sleep first.
Anyway, I just went to my home campaign to defend my keep with my guild leader. You know, a very hard-earned keep it was. Put up my CH ballista, fired it and repaired it. Just to have it snagged away by another V16, who would shoot it into the nothingness, just to destroy it. After a few messages, the picture was clear. He has a deal with the hostile fraction to get his emperorship by letting them capture the keeps.
Not only is this revealing how disgustingly corrupt emperorship in this game is, but I am extremely mad that I could do nothing to save my Coldharbour ballista. Every now and then, they are a bit difficult to come by.
I highly suggest integrating a "lockdown-function" into this game, which enables you to prevent your own sieges from being used by other players. Optional, of course. There is no good reason not to include this, and a very good reason TO include it. So please propose this to the developers, yes?
I would also suggest to think about a better emperorship system, but this would probably be futile, right? In any case, I reported that dude. It's unsportive behaviour, manipulation and exploiting. And definitely damaging my gaming experience. Don't know if something comes out of it, but in other games, you do get banned for nonsense like this. It's called boosting.
I'll leave it with that. There is so much more I could lament about, but those two are most important. I hope I could make my point clear and wish you all a good day.
You really need to learn to dodge it.
Take Wb away but they'll need to give stam players something, the rest of the stam skills are sh'ite.Edited by jelliedsoup on October 22, 2015 5:52AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO42 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait... Did the OP just post a death screen recount that says he got killed by some noobs hitting wbx5?? (They didn't even bother weaving)......
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL I'm not even gona say L2P lol. Heres an idea. Go make a dk or NB and level 2h. Then go find an experienced pvper and ask them to duel u. Now try spamming wb and see how it turns out for u lol. U gona get rekt. Yes wb is on my bar. And yes I open with crit Rush into wb. Based on what my opponents response is I can immidiately tell if I can just mash face on wb to pwn that noob or if I should swap to SnB and start using my buffs/utility + ransack (agaisnt sm1 who doesn't need to L2P).Edited by Vangy on October 22, 2015 5:53AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
CP: 610 and counting
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭They nerfed dodge roll. So, this was bound to happen almost everything uses stamina. Before the patch WB was useless in PvP and talons.2 -
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✭Block sometimes man. And after you do that, respond appropriately. Wrecking Blow indeed is a heavy hitter, but it's not something you don't have possibilities to both counter and counterattack afterwards.0 -
Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭@Lord-Otto - I feel your pain,
I joined them, best counter for wrecking blow is wrecking blow,
if you just walk through the person trying to wreck you animation resets and the blow never hits..
I know this is easy to say now but in battle your instinct says roll away, worst choice....
walk towards the person doing the wrecking blow, always..PC EU Megaserver
@Johngo0036
CP900+
Altmer Magicka Sorcerer |The-Irritable-Witch(DC)
Orc Stamina Dragonknight | Gru-Bolar(DC)
Dunmer Magicka Nightblade | Chewbucca(DC)
Khajit Stamina Nightblade | Gleaming Daggers(DC)
Altmer Magicka Nightblade | Miss Chewbucca(EP)
Argonian Magicka Templar | Walks-With-Friends(EP)
Argonian Templar Healer | Dr Toxic(EP)
Orc Stamina Sorc | Lady Streaks-Alot(DC)
Dunmer Magicka DK | Whips-n-Chains(DC)
Nord Warden | Demi Tank(DC)
Dunmer Magicka Warden | Crafter-O-Crafts(DC)
Bosmer Stamplar | Forest-Plump(DC)
Argonian Hybrid Nb | Men-O-Paws(DC)
Bosmer Stamblade | 'Maui(AD)
Altmer Magicka Sorcerer | Mid-Life-Crisis(AD)0 -
Legedric✭✭✭✭✭
This ^^ looks definitely like a L2P issue...◄ Legedric the Flamedancer ► - Redguard Dragon Knight
◄ Legedric the Stormdancer ► - Altmer Sorcerer
◄ Legedric the Sundancer ► - Altmer Templar
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭WB is fine, fix the bug that sometime you are unable to block.
Blockcast to deal with the spamers
root them and go behinde them, they cant turn arround and cast a other wb until they dollroge out, repead, there isnt a immunity to roots.
if you get cced by the first wb and you dont have enought Stamina to breakfree, well then you are doing somthing wrong.
and cmon 10k isnt much, my molten whipe is hiting with 9k............Edited by BuggeX on October 22, 2015 6:19AM#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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F7sus4✭✭✭✭✭
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I do believe you can be wrecked by Wrecking Blow being spam-casted by multiple (let's say 4+) enemies. But again, you also should be able to respond before the initial hit. As a Magicka build (especially on a Nightblade or a Sorcerer) you can trifle with Stamina users by draining their resources quite effectively (and even when 1-vs-X).
This ^^ looks definitely like a L2P issue...
Edited by F7sus4 on October 22, 2015 6:23AM0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nope!!!
get the hands off from my wrecking blow!!!
That is my favourite skill!! do not nerf it ZOS!!
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only problem I have with WB is its range, sometimes it hits me from FAR away...im talking 10-15 meters. And it hits cloaked ppl too.
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Lifecode666✭✭✭wrecking blow is the only damage from 2h. it has a long cast time which is so bad loads of people don't even use the skill.
learn to dodgeEdited by Lifecode666 on October 22, 2015 6:54AMUp the hornz3 -
Salmonoid✭✭✭Wait... Did the OP just post a death screen recount that says he got killed by some noobs hitting wbx5?? (They didn't even bother weaving)......
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL I'm not even gona say L2P lol. Heres an idea. Go make a dk or NB and level 2h. Then go find an experienced pvper and ask them to duel u. Now try spamming wb and see how it turns out for u lol. U gona get rekt. Yes wb is on my bar. And yes I open with crit Rush into wb. Based on what my opponents response is I can immidiately tell if I can just mash face on wb to pwn that noob or if I should swap to SnB and start using my buffs/utility + ransack (agaisnt sm1 who doesn't need to L2P).
OP needs to read this a few times.
If a player is simply spamming WB and nothing else on you, and you LOSE then you have no idea what you're doing whatsoever haha.
It really is a case of L2P.Australian - PS4 NA
VR16 WoodElf Nightblade
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Only problem I have with WB is its range, sometimes it hits me from FAR away...im talking 10-15 meters. And it hits cloaked ppl too.
I've had those issues too, and I think it's related to latency. You were tagged by the attack and it takes the game time to catch up. Similar to how bullets will seem to follow you and go through walls in shooters.0 -
Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Damage from these screens is far from exceptional. There's quite a few abilities that deal damage in the same range. If it's being used a lot then, based on my own experience, I guess it's because its the go-to damage ability for stamina builds.Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It appears that what the Original Patient has here is a case of CCR or Cookie Cutter Rage. This can be cured by working on your defensive technique and awareness because this is not the only skill the metagame relies heavily on.
In layman terms learn from your defeat, don't pass the blame to the game and/or it's players.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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pkb16_ESO2✭✭✭WB dam is ok. It only should be Bashable like it was before.
That would require some skill at least.2
