ZoS, give PvPers a chance to get usable gear by....wait for it... PVPING!

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

i am probably definitely only casual player, spend nothing on this game, until some serious changes to pvp (content, gear).
Akaviri motifs is not that, you foolish zos, with foolish release plan. 12 days later, we will barely has one full campaign on PCs, no need to open more of them on megaservers

Legedric · October 2015

The new way to spend AP on (aka the Akaviri motif) is a bad joke... nothing else.

briandivisionb16_ESO · October 2015

I literally have no interest in playing braindead zerg PvP. I'm done until AoE caps are gone or battle arenas added.
And even then I'll probably bore soon if they carry on as they are, going years without much needed changes.
But hey. We got dynamic lighting.

babanovac · October 2015

Yeah, that's what PvPers care about, motifs.

I would wear a pink umbrella shaped helmet and use a banana looking sword if it gave me the stats i want.

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

on the positive note, if next dlc is dark brotherhood, there can be some killing stuff, usefull at pvp and it should make a sense bring it back together with pvp vendor gear, even with some synergy))) man can dream

Banroc · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

What an absurd and preposterous idea... earning equipment for an activity by doing said activity... absolutely ridiculous!

Doesn't make sense right?

But players could just sit in cyrodill playing for free no need to even buy any dlc

Doesn't make sense right?

acw37162 · October 2015

Up until now
in game PVP rewards were the best gear in the game for PVP'ing or PVE'ing.

I went back and did search for the six months prior to Orsinium and I Didn't seen posts for hey give PVE players a Ravager or Shadow Walker equivalent.

I think PVP's should be able to buy gear with AP but for the better part of year PVP'ers have been raking in gold selling gear on the broker.

We are barely a month into IC I think the balance of power still sits with PVP'erd and rewards for the worthy.

Sausage · October 2015

SneaK wrote: »

Rioht wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

ORSINIUM BASE-GAME PATCH

- New ways to spend Alliance Points

#inb4allhopeislost

Sorry but all info released and pts point to no gear and only one of the new styles purchasable with AP.

Sure we could sell that for gold, but we can't even buy any of the good sets as they are all BOP through non PvP activities.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Lets get our elite gear vendor upgraded to V16 and fix PvP rewards so we get jewelry/weapon sets again.

This was the underlying idea behind my comment. Not necessarily new gear, but upgrading our old gear.

I like the idea of upgrading gears, basic gears are easy to get even for casuals, then upgrades takes long time to get and could work as time-sink greatly, but only minor advantage per upgrade, nothing too awesome so new/casuals wouldnt get pissed off. Almost like our current green, blue, purple, gold upgrades but really something what takes weeks or months to get. If they switched to gear-upgrades that should keep us going at least couple year more.

Rioht · October 2015

acw37162 wrote: »

Up until now
in game PVP rewards were the best gear in the game for PVP'ing or PVE'ing.

I went back and did search for the six months prior to Orsinium and I Didn't seen posts for hey give PVE players a Ravager or Shadow Walker equivalent.

I think PVP's should be able to buy gear with AP but for the better part of year PVP'ers have been raking in gold selling gear on the broker.

We are barely a month into IC I think the balance of power still sits with PVP'erd and rewards for the worthy.

Not necessarily. Trials gear was far superior for awhile, warlocks had its time, monster sets have always been a necessity since they launched. Ravagers and shadow walkers, may be true for stamina builds. Magicka have next to nothing aside from vryodils light.

And how does the balance of power still sit with PvP rewards? Have you gotten any of the rewards? They are terrible and I can barely get 1k for items I fight an entire week to get as campaign rewards.

Legedric · October 2015

acw37162 wrote: »

Up until now
in game PVP rewards were the best gear in the game for PVP'ing or PVE'ing.

I went back and did search for the six months prior to Orsinium and I Didn't seen posts for hey give PVE players a Ravager or Shadow Walker equivalent.

I think PVP's should be able to buy gear with AP but for the better part of year PVP'ers have been raking in gold selling gear on the broker.

We are barely a month into IC I think the balance of power still sits with PVP'erd and rewards for the worthy.

And still noone is FORCED to do PvP for gear as it is all tradeable... But all the good PvE rewards like undaunted or new IC sets are not so you are doomed to go into PvE.

That's the point.

Rioht · October 2015

Legedric wrote: »

And still noone is FORCED to do PvP for gear as it is all tradeable... But all the good PvE rewards like undaunted or new IC sets are not so you are doomed to go into PvE.

That's the point.

Thanks for reemphasizing this.

apostate9 · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed. It's a joke, we're forced into PVE for gear and I have nothing against PVE, I enjoy it, but I'm PvP at heart and always have been on any online game.

I personally suggest they should either remove all the V14 sets from the PvP vendors, or place them at other NPCs and fill the PvP vendors with relevant, effective PvP gear, with meaningful set bonuses directly relating to PvP, like The Pact's set, it reduces your damage taken from siege weapons (absolutely useless now as they don't do any damage anymore) and reduces damage from players by 5%, 5%!!!!!!!!

Honestly.

We need some decent PvP sets and the types I can suggest off of the top of my head right now, would be something like......
(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Mist Form to Knockdown nearby enemies every 20 seconds, or something like that.

(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Werewolf Form to last 50% longer for 2 minutes, every 20 mins, in PvP areas? Psh, I don't know, rough ideas.

(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Blazing Shield to absorb an additional 30% every 10 or 20 seconds in PvP areas.

Or how about more PvP-related, like...
5 Set Bonus: 10% chance to Summon a Vortex in a 30 yard radius, dragging enemies players to the center for 10 seconds LOL ok I don't know about that one.

5 Set Bonus: 50% Chance to summon an Apache Helicopter, ok, I'm done.

Having pvp specific gear that has meaningful buffs would (youde think) make total sense.

Maybe something like...

Reman's Blessing
2 PC: Increase Max Stamina by X
3 PC: Reduce Stamina Cost of Break-Free/Roll Dodge by 180
4 PC: Increase Max Health by X
5 PC: Reman's Blessing -- For every enemy player within 11 meters of you (up to 24), gain 100 spell and physical Resist

Pact's Item (Sotha-Sil's Vengeance)
2 PC: Increase Armor by X
3 PC: Increase Spell Damage by 180
4 PC: Reduce Spell Cost by 180
5 PC: Sotha-Sil's Vengeance -- Siege engines operated by you do an additional 5000 poison damage to all afflicted enemy players over 5 seconds. This damage cannot be purged.

Just some random musings.

zornyan · October 2015

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

Legedric · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

Well, and what can we do with this money? Definitely we won't be able to buy gear (we still have to do PvE for it) with it so what's the benefit other than being able to buy glyphs or alloys until our bank explodes?

zornyan · October 2015

Legedric wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

Well, and what can we do with this money? Definitely we won't be able to buy gear (we still have to do PvE for it) with it so what's the benefit other than being able to buy glyphs or alloys until our bank explodes?

Er just use the millions of gold to pay a crafter to make whatever you want?

Most pvp setups I've seen mostly just use 1 piece molag kena, and the rest are crafted sets.

Legedric · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

Well, and what can we do with this money? Definitely we won't be able to buy gear (we still have to do PvE for it) with it so what's the benefit other than being able to buy glyphs or alloys until our bank explodes?

Er just use the millions of gold to pay a crafter to make whatever you want?

Most pvp setups I've seen mostly just use 1 piece molag kena, and the rest are crafted sets.

Ok so you saw one setup, sure this means all have to go the same route...

No further questions you honor...

Rioht · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

First , each piece will cost AT MOST a few hundred k AP for larger pieces (aka chest/pants). Not millions

Second, now in have gold. So what.

Can I buy spell cure? No
Can I buy monster helms? No
Can I buy overwhelming? No
Can I buy maelstrom weapons? No
Can I buy succession pieces? No

Can I buy crafted sets? Yes, but these are sub par compared to any of the above.

Artis · October 2015

What about Phoenix? You get it for TV stones and it has Impenetrable as a trait, doesn't it?

Reznique · October 2015

Im doing my 10th Darkshade Cavern farm run today.

If I dont get the mask, ZOS- my blood will be on your hands.

#GodBlessSinglePlayerDLC

Rioht · October 2015

Artemis wrote: »

What about Phoenix? You get it for TV stones and it has Impenetrable as a trait, doesn't it?

Pheonix is alright as a placeholder set. However, its more of a crutch than a build enhancing set.

Do I A) focus on a set that require me to lose a fight in order rto see its benefits.

Or do I B.) Focus on a set that allows me to win fights.

Pheonix was only good because it allowed me to farm TV stones without the fear of an unexpected death/loss of stones. Nothing more.

zornyan · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

First , each piece will cost AT MOST a few hundred k AP for larger pieces (aka chest/pants). Not millions

Second, now in have gold. So what.

Can I buy spell cure? No
Can I buy monster helms? No
Can I buy overwhelming? No
Can I buy maelstrom weapons? No
Can I buy succession pieces? No

Can I buy crafted sets? Yes, but these are sub par compared to any of the above.

Well seeing as twice born, julianos and hundings rage are 3 of the best sets in the game for stam/magicka users that's most of your gear right there.

Hawco10 · October 2015

Have to agree, tried the sewers and there's no way in hell I'm spending any time in there trying to find a decent group and spend hours trying to get stones or shards or bones.
I like to PVP, I like to go straight into Cyrodil and fight and die, take keeps, gank, hide in resources, have a laugh with the rest of the guys in there. Absolutely no interest in the soul destroying grind of hours on end trying to make enough stones to buy a helmet, never mind a whole set of gear.
Bet I'm not the only one who thinks like this.
C'mon Zos, give us something to work for.not just a new style, but unquiet sets that we can get from fighting.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

They could buff up crafted gear to actually be OP since ZOS loves to say it is when in reality it is not.

Rioht · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Rioht wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Akvari motif will cost several million AP , will be a great way for pvpers to make money.

First , each piece will cost AT MOST a few hundred k AP for larger pieces (aka chest/pants). Not millions

Second, now in have gold. So what.

Can I buy spell cure? No
Can I buy monster helms? No
Can I buy overwhelming? No
Can I buy maelstrom weapons? No
Can I buy succession pieces? No

Can I buy crafted sets? Yes, but these are sub par compared to any of the above.

Well seeing as twice born, julianos and hundings rage are 3 of the best sets in the game for stam/magicka users that's most of your gear right there.

Julianos is spell crit.
Spell crit is vastly inferior to magicka/spell DMG offered by the non crafts sets.

Twice born is health/magicka/Stam
Aka useless for a DPs/healer...any magicka user basically.

Hundings =/= viable for magicka, can't speak for stamina users.

Not sure how you think these sets are "the best " in game.

Again, not speaking for stamina users. But I haven't seen a single build using any of those sets.

hammayolettuce · October 2015

Do people actually find it shocking that some play ESO for PvE and some play for PvP?

dday3six · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

Julianos is spell crit.
Spell crit is vastly inferior to magicka/spell DMG offered by the non crafts sets.

Don't discount that Julianos gives spell damage for the 5 piece. More than the 4 piece of Overwhelming and also has a Magicka bonus, just like the Overwhelming.

acw37162 · October 2015

I find it amazing for the better part of year PVP'ers have constantly received the best in slot gear in the game ravager, shadow walker, and others and selling it off for a nice profit for quite awhile.

The second the one end game set they want requires a dungeon run the casacade of complaints begin.

And

For the poster above Juilnnes is the magica equivalent of Hundings x2 spell crit, x1 magica, plus magic damage/power vs x2 weapon crit, x1 stamina, plus weapon damage

Rioht · October 2015

acw37162 wrote: »

I find it amazing for the better part of year PVP'ers have constantly received the best in slot gear in the game ravager, shadow walker, and others and selling it off for a nice profit for quite awhile.

The second the one end game set they want requires a dungeon run the casacade of complaints begin.

And

For the poster above Juilnnes is the magica equivalent of Hundings x2 spell crit, x1 magica, plus magic damage/power vs x2 weapon crit, x1 stamina, plus weapon damage

Again, speaking from a magicka users perspective. This has not been even the slightest true.

And for spell crit builds, those just aren't used as shields scale off of magicka and spell damage/magicka is a far better setup. For stamina that may be effective. Not so much for magucka. The only tune crit was useful for magicka was when critical surge was actually viable for self heals. Since the Nerf, spell crit is subpar.

Edit: sorry, another point that even if pvpers had access to the best gear (ide argue they didn't as footman, healers, aether (when it was good), warlock were all better), the key point is that they were tradable. pvE player never HAD to PvP to get those items. If I want to get a good setup for PvP, I HAVE to PvE. There is no option here.

dday3six · October 2015

acw37162 wrote: »

For the poster above Juilnnes is the magica equivalent of Hundings x2 spell crit, x1 magica, plus magic damage/power vs x2 weapon crit, x1 stamina, plus weapon damage

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222831/data-mining-all-new-crafted-non-crafted-sets-plus-all-maelstrom-weapons-in-patch-2-2-0/p1

Says Spell damage here, admittedly I'm not on PTS and thus not following super close. Did ZOS change it?

dday3six · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

...If I want to get a good setup for PvP, I HAVE to PvE. There is no option here.

Well just how deep does that rabbit hole go? Is gear your only complaint. What about Skill Points, what about Skill Lines that only level in PVE like Undaunted, Legerdemain, Provisioning and Alchemy. What about lorebooks for the Mage's Guild. Should all of those things also have PVP only equivalents? They are all elements that make up an optimized PVP build.

What happens is, players want to ignore aspects of ESO, but they don't want to suffer any lost in optimization for doing so. Well that is not going to happen. The game is built for longer term. One of the methods used to keep players invested is the gear and skill grinds.

If looking to optimize, whether for PVP or PVE, a player is going to have spent time doing the other activity if they seek be at peak. If you think PVE players don't have to do this too. You're mistaken. It's not only gear that matters. Skills do as well. Battle Horn, Purge, Magicka Detenation, Barrier, and Caltrops are all widely used in PVE, yet only gained from PVP.