ZoS, give PvPers a chance to get usable gear by....wait for it... PVPING!

Rioht · October 2015

Why are the only viable builds for PvP consisting of non PvP rewarded loot?

As a magicka sorc, my options are:

1) overwhelming = White gold tower (BoP)
2) crafted sets = farming v16 mats (from mobs not players!)
3) willpower = farming trophies (from mobs not players!)
4) monster sets (PvE, BoP)
5) and soon, maelstrom gear sets (PvE, BoP)

There is only a SINGLE gearset possible through PvP that I would consider, arch mage, and even then I probably wouldn't even use 5 pieces for it.

If I want to get a good gear set for PvP, I have to spend weeks farming OUTSIDE of cyrodil.

Please give PvPers more access to usable gear!

olsborg · October 2015

They had a good pvp set for a while, until they nerfed it for some reason, it was in no way op. Yea, Archmage.

Recremen · October 2015

Can't agree more. I love that the new motif is AP-gated and all, but I strongly feel that there should also be gearsets exclusively bought with AP or earned through Cyro that are competitive with PvE sets.

robkrush · October 2015

Boy, PVP players where singing a different tune a month ago when PVE players where complaining about having to play PVP to get the new gear.

Helgi_Skotina · October 2015

Totally agree. Sets, bought for AP, was a good decision. And make them bind from pickup is even better, so no player, who is v16 and rank 3 in alliance war, can get these items/

Helgi_Skotina · October 2015

robkrush wrote: »

Boy, PVP players where singing a different tune a month ago when PVE players where complaining about having to play PVP to get the new gear.

They didnt had to play pvp. Even today i killed an AD 10 times in a row. He released and run again and again ti farm the same mobs as i wasnt there.

Rioht · October 2015

robkrush wrote: »

Boy, PVP players where singing a different tune a month ago when PVE players where complaining about having to play PVP to get the new gear.

Not necessarily, this issue has been around long before IC with trials and arena having some of the best PvP gear. If anything its worse than preIC because at least then we could buy vr14 gear with AP.

Anyone who was "singing a different tune" most likely wasn't a regular PVP'er

PBpsy · October 2015

LOL. You want pvp gear from pvp. That is going to happen when they will have good crafted sets that you can craft by doing PVE.

SneaK · October 2015

ORSINIUM BASE-GAME PATCH

- New ways to spend Alliance Points

#inb4allhopeislost

Rioht · October 2015

SneaK wrote: »

ORSINIUM BASE-GAME PATCH

- New ways to spend Alliance Points

#inb4allhopeislost

Sorry but all info released and pts point to no gear and only one of the new styles purchasable with AP.

Sure we could sell that for gold, but we can't even buy any of the good sets as they are all BOP through non PvP activities.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · October 2015

We had good gear for PvP. It was called the elite gear vendor. The Ravager set. Cyrodiils light. Remember those?

How bout the potentiates set. Vengence leech? Hawks eye.

Then ZOS declared a war on endgame jewelry and we ended up with 50 battleaxes of willpower in every guild store.

Right now, a marketing major (or similar person with a meaningless degree in lying), is telling ZOS they need to hold off on non-DLC gear and suppress trials and DSA to promote orsinium.

This is hurting the game. Lets get our elite gear vendor upgraded to V16 and fix PvP rewards so we get jewelry/weapon sets again.

SneaK · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

ORSINIUM BASE-GAME PATCH

- New ways to spend Alliance Points

#inb4allhopeislost

Sorry but all info released and pts point to no gear and only one of the new styles purchasable with AP.

Sure we could sell that for gold, but we can't even buy any of the good sets as they are all BOP through non PvP activities.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Lets get our elite gear vendor upgraded to V16 and fix PvP rewards so we get jewelry/weapon sets again.

This was the underlying idea behind my comment. Not necessarily new gear, but upgrading our old gear.

PBpsy · October 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

We had good gear for PvP. It was called the elite gear vendor. The Ravager set. Cyrodiils light. Remember those?

How bout the potentiates set. Vengence leech? Hawks eye.

Then ZOS declared a war on endgame jewelry and we ended up with 50 battleaxes of willpower in every guild store.

Right now, a marketing major (or similar person with a meaningless degree in lying), is telling ZOS they need to hold off on non-DLC gear and suppress trials and DSA to promote orsinium.

This is hurting the game. Lets get our elite gear vendor upgraded to V16 and fix PvP rewards so we get jewelry/weapon sets again.

I would like to believe that this is the case. I think however that the devs can come up with pretty great awesome ideas like that all by themselves.

Rioht · October 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

We had good gear for PvP. It was called the elite gear vendor. The Ravager set. Cyrodiils light. Remember those?

How bout the potentiates set. Vengence leech? Hawks eye.

Then ZOS declared a war on endgame jewelry and we ended up with 50 battleaxes of willpower in every guild store.

Right now, a marketing major (or similar person with a meaningless degree in lying), is telling ZOS they need to hold off on non-DLC gear and suppress trials and DSA to promote orsinium.

This is hurting the game. Lets get our elite gear vendor upgraded to V16 and fix PvP rewards so we get jewelry/weapon sets again.

The limiting of new sets to not include jewelry AND then buffing the 3 piece jewelry sets blew my mind.

Those kind of changes do nothing to improve the itemization in game.

Rohaus · October 2015

@Rioht I find your subject matter and way of thinking completely and totally logical. Please stop this behavior now! Thank you.

Shunravi · October 2015

What a groundbreaking and revolutionary concept

AshTal · October 2015

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Agreed. It's a joke, we're forced into PVE for gear and I have nothing against PVE, I enjoy it, but I'm PvP at heart and always have been on any online game.

I personally suggest they should either remove all the V14 sets from the PvP vendors, or place them at other NPCs and fill the PvP vendors with relevant, effective PvP gear, with meaningful set bonuses directly relating to PvP, like The Pact's set, it reduces your damage taken from siege weapons (absolutely useless now as they don't do any damage anymore) and reduces damage from players by 5%, 5%!!!!!!!!

Honestly.

We need some decent PvP sets and the types I can suggest off of the top of my head right now, would be something like......

(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Mist Form to Knockdown nearby enemies every 20 seconds, or something like that.
(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Werewolf Form to last 50% longer for 2 minutes, every 20 mins, in PvP areas? Psh, I don't know, rough ideas.
(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Blazing Shield to absorb an additional 30% every 10 or 20 seconds in PvP areas.

Or how about more PvP-related, like...

5 Set Bonus: 10% chance to Summon a Vortex in a 30 yard radius, dragging enemies players to the center for 10 seconds LOL ok I don't know about that one.
5 Set Bonus: 50% Chance to summon an Apache Helicopter, ok, I'm done.

DenMoria · October 2015

OP: Haven't we heard the exact same complaint in reverse? Why do I have to do PvP to get the best PvE gear?

Rioht · October 2015

AshTal wrote: »

AP should be more useful the issue is its been so pointless for so long some people have millions saved up anything which they released would be purchased in seconds by these players.

I get that, and thats not a huge issue. I spend most of my ap on siege and repair kits anyways.

But not even having viable rewards through the rewards for the worthy (aka 'unworthy rewards for the unworthy') is just bad.

Rioht · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

OP: Haven't we heard the exact same complaint in reverse? Why do I have to do PvP to get the best PvE gear?

Yes, that was brought up for a single DLC which didn't even force PVE players to PVP. As mentioned in my OP PVE offers the most viable gear IN A PVP update.

PvP players have been asking for meaningful rewards and avenues for gear since day 1 and this was supposed to be the first DLC targeted towards pvp players.

I disagree that PVE players should have to be forced into the content if they do not want (non tiered trials, arena or non-dlc dungeon garbage). However, the fact of the matter is the IC DLC did NOTHING to improve the itemization and rewards for pvp players.

DannyLV702 · October 2015

olsborg wrote: »

They had a good pvp set for a while, until they nerfed it for some reason, it was in no way op. Yea, Archmage.

What was the nerf against arch mage? i never got to use it

PBpsy · October 2015

DannyLV702 wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

They had a good pvp set for a while, until they nerfed it for some reason, it was in no way op. Yea, Archmage.

What was the nerf against arch mage? i never got to use it

IMO it was turned from "not that great" to " use heavy attacks crappy".
There is nothing quite as bad as use heavy attacks crappy .

Rioht · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed. It's a joke, we're forced into PVE for gear and I have nothing against PVE, I enjoy it, but I'm PvP at heart and always have been on any online game.

I personally suggest they should either remove all the V14 sets from the PvP vendors, or place them at other NPCs and fill the PvP vendors with relevant, effective PvP gear, with meaningful set bonuses directly relating to PvP, like The Pact's set, it reduces your damage taken from siege weapons (absolutely useless now as they don't do any damage anymore) and reduces damage from players by 5%, 5%!!!!!!!!

Honestly.

We need some decent PvP sets and the types I can suggest off of the top of my head right now, would be something like......
(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Mist Form to Knockdown nearby enemies every 20 seconds, or something like that.

(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Werewolf Form to last 50% longer for 2 minutes, every 20 mins, in PvP areas? Psh, I don't know, rough ideas.

(5) Set Bonus: Enhance your Blazing Shield to absorb an additional 30% every 10 or 20 seconds in PvP areas.

Or how about more PvP-related, like...
5 Set Bonus: 10% chance to Summon a Vortex in a 30 yard radius, dragging enemies players to the center for 10 seconds LOL ok I don't know about that one.

5 Set Bonus: 50% Chance to summon an Apache Helicopter, ok, I'm done.

Having pvp specific gear that has meaningful buffs would (youde think) make total sense.

nimander99 · October 2015

What an absurd and preposterous idea... earning equipment for an activity by doing said activity... absolutely ridiculous!

Rioht · October 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

What an absurd and preposterous idea... earning equipment for an activity by doing said activity... absolutely ridiculous!

Doesn't make sense right?

Rioht · October 2015

Bump for ZoS!

briandivisionb16_ESO · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

ZoS, give PvPers a chance to get usable gear by....wait for it... PVPING!

Nah screw that we'll just put PvE paygates in!
Lets add more undaunted passives so PvPers have to PvE. Lets keep all gear PvE so people that only play for competitive PvP have to bash their heads against a brick wall for a week for one item.
Yay.

Asmael · October 2015

I remember back in SWTOR, when people complained about gear in PvP. You had the "Expertise" attribute that gave you overall better stats against other players, which made basically all but the top-tier PvE gear obsolete in PvP. And that's compared to mid-tier PvP gear, not even top-tier.

Actually enjoyed it quite a bit, and said PvP gear wasn't even all that bad in PvE. Was a pretty good concept in my opinion.

Of course, we can also get the very same gear in PvP and in PvE, that's the 3rd option. If this happens, however, they'd need to seriously revamp how you gain AP, because the current system is completely broken (all hail Mutagen / Caltrops).

Legedric · October 2015

Look at my signature, I already made detailed proposals about gear progression in PvP but ZOS still seems to be ignoring the Alliance War forums or PvP related topics in general.

They don't post much else but moderation there and Brian Wheeler doesn't seem to post anything meaningful at all for the last couple of weeks...

#NoHopeForPvP
#GaveUpOnZOSAlready
#PlaysPvPAsIsUntilSomethingBetterGetsReleased

Legedric · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

OP: Haven't we heard the exact same complaint in reverse? Why do I have to do PvP to get the best PvE gear?

@DenMoria
Please tell about a single set or item you are forced to PvP for and cannot be traded for gold? Just one item and I will shut up for a lifetime.

Oh yeah, right... there is none.

But there are plenty of items/sets forcing me to do PvE and many of these sets are very powerful (Undaunted sets, Overwhelming, Sheer Venom, Brands of Imperium set from Vet WGT and some more I forgot about but you get the point)

Sorry for double posting...