How do I l2p against shieldbraker.

Wollust · October 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

You want to balance that set around a build making suboptimal use of it? That's like saying DKs were never OP, because stamina builds sucked at launch. The fact the 5 pc Shieldbreaker is being preferred over Willow's Path (wich would even with bugged drinks give way more stats) by melee stamina builds should already tell you something is off. I mean, that is what you just said would be no problem, right?

I dont get your point about the suboptimal build? Because I'm not spamming light attacks but I rather weave and actually use skills it's supoptimal to use shield breaker? Seriously? And then you tell me to run a set that gives me health regen (hello vampire) and a bonus that doesn't work correctly? And you talk about suboptimal? I use shieldbreaker because I get stam regen, stam and wd and to top it off a working fifth bonus which makes my life easier and complements my playstyle, but I do not missuse it like certain individuals. And no, with my amount of cp I do not see a reason to ever run willows path (maybe with the incoming cp cap though

) if there is a set that gives me more power (max stam and wd), because 2.9k stam regen and 1.5 magicka regen is enough. I really don't get the hype about willows path.
I think I (and others) use the set how it should be used (either la skill bash or la skill la) and not as those *** with no skills just spamming light attack. I'd rather see a 2s cooldown (because this will only hurt the spammers) than a damagenerf or even a removal as some people want (which will never happen).

But to be honest, I diddn't really get what you were trying to point out actually. Care to explain?

k2blader · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Stop being a noob and dps, if you can't out dps 2k your god awful and need to rethink your life scrub,

Thanks bruh, you're a genius.

However, Shield Breaker isn't just 2k dps potential, it is 2k unresistable dps potential; you cannot mitigate it period. That's sort of a big deal when PvP is all about mitigating dmg. Let's look at the typical Shield Breaker engagements and not just w/e target dummy idea you had in your head.

Stam NB v Sorc
- NB has dodge roll, shuffle, cloak, fear to avoid dmg & make it hard to pull off burst.

Stam DK v Sorc
- DK has dodge roll, shuffle, scales to avoid/reflect dmg, properly timed scales counters frags & keeps Sorc burst at bay. And don't forget Petrify, which is not only a double CC, but also counts as a dmg shield on you for Shield Breaker.

Stam Templar v Sorc
- Templar has dodge roll, shuffle, purify to avoid/purge dmg, you may not be aware but Purify does more that just remove Curse, it also removes the Endless Fury execute proc and makes Frags disappear in midair. That's basically all of your Sorc burst gone.

Meanwhile, what does magicka Sorc have in terms of dmg mitigation/avoidance when fighting these Shield Breaker builds?
- Dodge roll? Sure, about 2x unless you want to dodge more and kill yourself.
- Block? Does nothing to stop unresistable damage, just wastes your stam.
- Stop using any shield to avoid 2k dps? Magicka Sorc w/o shields is dead sorc w/in 1-2 burst rotations.
- Only viable option? Maintain full shields while spamming a secondary source of heals. Sorc has 2 options:
1. Degeneration + Power Surge = RNG based & reliant on being able to do appreciable dmg to enemy.
2. Resto Staff heals = fairly lack luster + pretty much dedicating an entire bar of skills to a bunch of heals.

These are the issues you run into when fighting Shield Breaker, and that's not even delving into the issue of it being your opponent's normal dmg + Shield Breaker procs or multiple opponents which are beyond the scope of this post. True, most bow users spamming Shield Breaker are total nubs who just try to run away as soon as you look at them funny, but that's neither here nor there as far as regards the balance of the actual set itself.

Moving on, not related to your post but something that needs to be said, the Forum Warrior's favorite touted solution, "stop relying on shields", "stack more than 15k into health" is just a *** poor argument that comes from not playing Sorc or just being deliberately facetious.

- Since IC, pretty much all Sorcs I've seen sit around 20k health if not a bit more. That's about the average for other classes in Cyrodiil, perhaps a bit on the low end for DKs/Temps. So pray tell, how much "more" precisely are Sorcs supposed to stack into health? 30k?
- Like it or not, Hardened Ward is the class's primary tool for damage mitigation. Sorc by design was given a big damage shield and crappy heals. Magicka Sorc cannot simply "stop" relying on shields without a redesign of the class, or a powerful non class magicka heal (such as what stam builds have w/ dodge roll + Rally + Vigor).

Worth a requote.

TY Teargrants for explaining it so well.

Maybe Zeni will even read it and begin to understand. :-)

ToRelax · October 2015

Wollust wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

You want to balance that set around a build making suboptimal use of it? That's like saying DKs were never OP, because stamina builds sucked at launch. The fact the 5 pc Shieldbreaker is being preferred over Willow's Path (wich would even with bugged drinks give way more stats) by melee stamina builds should already tell you something is off. I mean, that is what you just said would be no problem, right?

I dont get your point about the suboptimal build? Because I'm not spamming light attacks but I rather weave and actually use skills it's supoptimal to use shield breaker? Seriously? And then you tell me to run a set that gives me health regen (hello vampire) and a bonus that doesn't work correctly? And you talk about suboptimal? I use shieldbreaker because I get stam regen, stam and wd and to top it off a working fifth bonus which makes my life easier and complements my playstyle, but I do not missuse it like certain individuals. And no, with my amount of cp I do not see a reason to ever run willows path (maybe with the incoming cp cap though ) if there is a set that gives me more power (max stam and wd), because 2.9k stam regen and 1.5 magicka regen is enough. I really don't get the hype about willows path.
I think I (and others) use the set how it should be used (either la skill bash or la skill la) and not as those *** with no skills just spamming light attack. I'd rather see a 2s cooldown (because this will only hurt the spammers) than a damagenerf or even a removal as some people want (which will never happen).

But to be honest, I diddn't really get what you were trying to point out actually. Care to explain?

I never said anything about suboptimal builds I said it's suboptimal use of the set to use it without a bow. I also never said it's good to use Willow's Path instead of Shieldbreaker - but I said it provides way more stats than Shieldbreaker, and that is without counting the health regen. Besides, Willow's works just fine, what doesn't is drinks.
I couldn't care less how anyone "intended" the set to be used. It's obvious that if you want to optimise it's 5 pc bonus, you need a stamina build with a bow, and you have to balance it with that in mind.

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

Streak the opposite direction.

Streak is the ultimate attacking and retreating skill, streak and go stealth and when he chases streak spam into him then combo him with crystal frags nonsense into overload spam.

I don't see your issue here.

ToRelax · October 2015

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Streak the opposite direction.

Streak is the ultimate attacking and retreating skill, streak and go stealth and when he chases streak spam into him then combo him with crystal frags nonsense into overload spam.

I don't see your issue here.

Firstly, you won't escape a good stamina player with Streak anymore. You can't use it often and then he catches you, if he didn't manage to stay on you with a gap closer anyway.
Whatever happens, wether you for some reason manage to escape or not, it seems you want to fight anyway when he chases and still have the resources to do so. Let's assume he is using Reflective Scales or Defensive Stance or Dark Cloak or dodge roll. Since you don't want to die you may rethink your strategy now and tell us about your next solution.

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

So....you want me to come up with another solution for combating the 1% of stamina users that are actually good who you pretty much 99% of the time will not run into?

Good luck with that.

Wollust · October 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

You want to balance that set around a build making suboptimal use of it? That's like saying DKs were never OP, because stamina builds sucked at launch. The fact the 5 pc Shieldbreaker is being preferred over Willow's Path (wich would even with bugged drinks give way more stats) by melee stamina builds should already tell you something is off. I mean, that is what you just said would be no problem, right?

I dont get your point about the suboptimal build? Because I'm not spamming light attacks but I rather weave and actually use skills it's supoptimal to use shield breaker? Seriously? And then you tell me to run a set that gives me health regen (hello vampire) and a bonus that doesn't work correctly? And you talk about suboptimal? I use shieldbreaker because I get stam regen, stam and wd and to top it off a working fifth bonus which makes my life easier and complements my playstyle, but I do not missuse it like certain individuals. And no, with my amount of cp I do not see a reason to ever run willows path (maybe with the incoming cp cap though ) if there is a set that gives me more power (max stam and wd), because 2.9k stam regen and 1.5 magicka regen is enough. I really don't get the hype about willows path.
I think I (and others) use the set how it should be used (either la skill bash or la skill la) and not as those *** with no skills just spamming light attack. I'd rather see a 2s cooldown (because this will only hurt the spammers) than a damagenerf or even a removal as some people want (which will never happen).

But to be honest, I diddn't really get what you were trying to point out actually. Care to explain?

I never said anything about suboptimal builds I said it's suboptimal use of the set to use it without a bow. I also never said it's good to use Willow's Path instead of Shieldbreaker - but I said it provides way more stats than Shieldbreaker, and that is without counting the health regen. Besides, Willow's works just fine, what doesn't is drinks.
I couldn't care less how anyone "intended" the set to be used. It's obvious that if you want to optimise it's 5 pc bonus, you need a stamina build with a bow, and you have to balance it with that in mind.

Ok I agree. Completely optimizing it would be with a bow. So what to do then? Remove the set and punish a lot more players than the actual bow spammers? Nerf the damage to oblivion and making it useless for everyone who can not fire off multiple light attacks in a split moment? Meh.

I really think the only nerf that would be appropriate for the set would a 2-3 seconds cooldown. If a sorc can not handle 2k damage directly to their health every 2 seconds it's clearly a l2p.
With the cooldown bow la spammers would be rendered useless and the set would still work for players like myselfs, which I still think is the majority of the users.

Rylana · October 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Streak the opposite direction.

Streak is the ultimate attacking and retreating skill, streak and go stealth and when he chases streak spam into him then combo him with crystal frags nonsense into overload spam.

I don't see your issue here.

Firstly, you won't escape a good stamina player with Streak anymore. You can't use it often and then he catches you, if he didn't manage to stay on you with a gap closer anyway.
Whatever happens, wether you for some reason manage to escape or not, it seems you want to fight anyway when he chases and still have the resources to do so. Let's assume he is using Reflective Scales or Defensive Stance or Dark Cloak or dodge roll. Since you don't want to die you may rethink your strategy now and tell us about your next solution.

Scales/reflective - One hand and Shield, throw a goddamned hardcast frag to his face for all i care, that boy is boned by double reflect cap. If he is using reflective scales double LOL because he increased the proc frag damage to himself. Ive seen these hit for 14k+ post 1.7.

Cloak - Streak through him then frag him, alternatively you can use the old tried and true thundering presence to keep him out of stealth forever trick... then frag him.

Dodgeroll - Yeah keep on rollin baby, frag. roll. frag... roll. frag... roll. frag..... oh you cant roll anymore? Aww... knockdown, overloadoverloadoverloadoverload

I dont care what ya do, youre gonna get knocked on your ass, and when you do its Goodnight Irene. Only an amateur runs and burns his resources out.

Jhunn · October 2015

Wollust wrote: »

Ok I agree. Completely optimizing it would be with a bow. So what to do then? Remove the set and punish a lot more players than the actual bow spammers? Nerf the damage to oblivion and making it useless for everyone who can not fire off multiple light attacks in a split moment? Meh.

I really think the only nerf that would be appropriate for the set would a 2-3 seconds cooldown. If a sorc can not handle 2k damage directly to their health every 2 seconds it's clearly a l2p.
With the cooldown bow la spammers would be rendered useless and the set would still work for players like myselfs, which I still think is the majority of the users.

Remove the set and kill sorcs like you normally would. Cheesy weighted LA spamming fixed.

Derra · October 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

You want to balance that set around a build making suboptimal use of it? That's like saying DKs were never OP, because stamina builds sucked at launch. The fact the 5 pc Shieldbreaker is being preferred over Willow's Path (wich would even with bugged drinks give way more stats) by melee stamina builds should already tell you something is off. I mean, that is what you just said would be no problem, right?

I dont get your point about the suboptimal build? Because I'm not spamming light attacks but I rather weave and actually use skills it's supoptimal to use shield breaker? Seriously? And then you tell me to run a set that gives me health regen (hello vampire) and a bonus that doesn't work correctly? And you talk about suboptimal? I use shieldbreaker because I get stam regen, stam and wd and to top it off a working fifth bonus which makes my life easier and complements my playstyle, but I do not missuse it like certain individuals. And no, with my amount of cp I do not see a reason to ever run willows path (maybe with the incoming cp cap though ) if there is a set that gives me more power (max stam and wd), because 2.9k stam regen and 1.5 magicka regen is enough. I really don't get the hype about willows path.
I think I (and others) use the set how it should be used (either la skill bash or la skill la) and not as those *** with no skills just spamming light attack. I'd rather see a 2s cooldown (because this will only hurt the spammers) than a damagenerf or even a removal as some people want (which will never happen).

But to be honest, I diddn't really get what you were trying to point out actually. Care to explain?

I never said anything about suboptimal builds I said it's suboptimal use of the set to use it without a bow. I also never said it's good to use Willow's Path instead of Shieldbreaker - but I said it provides way more stats than Shieldbreaker, and that is without counting the health regen. Besides, Willow's works just fine, what doesn't is drinks.
I couldn't care less how anyone "intended" the set to be used. It's obvious that if you want to optimise it's 5 pc bonus, you need a stamina build with a bow, and you have to balance it with that in mind.

I´d much rather see a cooldown of say 0.9s addet to the set than anything else changed. Currently the only situation where it´s op is when you´re in a Xv1 situation with one bow user spamming light attacks while hiding behind his friends. This would keep the set 100% vaible for every normal situation.

It´s very strong in other situations - hello stamina dk - but hardly op in "normal" use where lightattacks get weaved in a rotation (atleast not of the target does not use harness - against harness it´s OP regardless of situation).

Rylana wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Streak the opposite direction.

Streak is the ultimate attacking and retreating skill, streak and go stealth and when he chases streak spam into him then combo him with crystal frags nonsense into overload spam.

I don't see your issue here.

Firstly, you won't escape a good stamina player with Streak anymore. You can't use it often and then he catches you, if he didn't manage to stay on you with a gap closer anyway.
Whatever happens, wether you for some reason manage to escape or not, it seems you want to fight anyway when he chases and still have the resources to do so. Let's assume he is using Reflective Scales or Defensive Stance or Dark Cloak or dodge roll. Since you don't want to die you may rethink your strategy now and tell us about your next solution.

Scales/reflective - One hand and Shield, throw a goddamned hardcast frag to his face for all i care, that boy is boned by double reflect cap. If he is using reflective scales double LOL because he increased the proc frag damage to himself. Ive seen these hit for 14k+ post 1.7.

Cloak - Streak through him then frag him, alternatively you can use the old tried and true thundering presence to keep him out of stealth forever trick... then frag him.

Dodgeroll - Yeah keep on rollin baby, frag. roll. frag... roll. frag... roll. frag..... oh you cant roll anymore? Aww... knockdown, overloadoverloadoverloadoverload

I dont care what ya do, youre gonna get knocked on your ass, and when you do its Goodnight Irene. Only an amateur runs and burns his resources out.

You´re partly right although i think having to use 1h shield to even have the possibility to fight DKs is still hilarious in itself. It has only become worse since curse and mages fury became blockable. A good stam DK does not even have to use wings bc he does have enough heal to outheal your dmg completely (even with a destro staff and a 3100spelldmg 61%crit 35k magica build).
That being said. They can´t reliably kill you either...

Wollust · October 2015

Jhunn wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Ok I agree. Completely optimizing it would be with a bow. So what to do then? Remove the set and punish a lot more players than the actual bow spammers? Nerf the damage to oblivion and making it useless for everyone who can not fire off multiple light attacks in a split moment? Meh.

I really think the only nerf that would be appropriate for the set would a 2-3 seconds cooldown. If a sorc can not handle 2k damage directly to their health every 2 seconds it's clearly a l2p.
With the cooldown bow la spammers would be rendered useless and the set would still work for players like myselfs, which I still think is the majority of the users.

Remove the set and kill sorcs like you normally would. Cheesy weighted LA spamming fixed.

Give me a set that gives me stam, regen and wd plus a nice 5. bonus and you can gladly have my shieldbreaker set.

But seriously jhunn, your proposal is bad because you do not only punish the la bow *** but rather everyone with that set.

Jhunn · October 2015

Wollust wrote: »

Give me a set that gives me stam, regen and wd plus a nice 5. bonus and you can gladly have my shieldbreaker set.

But seriously jhunn, your proposal is bad because you do not only punish the la bow *** but rather everyone with that set.

All I'm saying is the set should never have been put in game. Such a lazy attempt to fix the 'OP' sorc shields which could've been fixed so many other ways.

You don't need shieldbreaker to kill sorcs, Susano, I know that, so your punishment would be limited

Jhunn · October 2015

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coolermh · October 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

just streak over to the shieldbreaker scrub and oneshot him with dawnbreaker of smiting

This is what happens to me when ever I use sheildbreaker on descent sorc.

Derra · October 2015

coolermh wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

just streak over to the shieldbreaker scrub and oneshot him with dawnbreaker of smiting

This is what happens to me when ever I use sheildbreaker on descent sorc.

That has nothing to do with shieldbreaker though but rather with you´re general performance - no?

KundaliniHero · October 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

The best counter to shield breaker: play destiny.

Kwivur · October 2015

Rune Cage, curse, structured entropy, curse and soul assault.

Artis · October 2015

tennant94 wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

You mean just like how there were many countersto bolt escape like crit rush, ambush, any speed buff and bow dodge roll? Yet it still got nerfed for no reason.

Are you playing some different ESO? You can cast BE twice during the cast time of ambush.

Sorry but this is not true.

lol yeah because that never happened to anyone and I just made it up. sigh

PeggymoeXD · October 2015

I'll just say, I learned one thing about sorcs. When one hits you, and bolts away attempting to lure you into what will most likely be brutal death, don't bother chasing. If he stays and fights, sure, duel him. But 8 out of 10 times, a sorc will try to lure me into either a group of more players that are waiting or just a better place to use the terrain against me. Even if it made me look bad, I'd rather contribute to the campaign in another way than chasing a sorc who will most likely trick me. Granted, there are plenty of sorcs who just flat out rekmahshiz. But my point is, maybe if you're a sorc, and your opponent starts spamming 2k light attacks, it's you who should consider running the other way?

Maulkin · October 2015

Artemis wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

You mean just like how there were many countersto bolt escape like crit rush, ambush, any speed buff and bow dodge roll? Yet it still got nerfed for no reason.

Are you playing some different ESO? You can cast BE twice during the cast time of ambush.

Sorry but this is not true.

lol yeah because that never happened to anyone and I just made it up. sigh

If it happens to you it might be an issue of slow reactions. I have no problem chaining Lotus Fans and keeping up with Sorc BEs, for however long their magicka can carry them. Just keep them tab targeted, hold block and keep spamming the button. Ambush is a teleport so even if the Bolt out of line of sight you can still get to them.

If one person can do it disproves your statement.

diskiukas · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Heal through it? Have more health. The reason it's a thing is because of how big shields are. That person has sacrificed their build to counter yours.

Ever heard about Wykkyds Outfiter add-on? One click and you can change your gear as soon as you see sorc.
All you NB's defending SB, I will laugh my ass off whenever ZOS will do something similar to your best survival tool- Cloak. I am sure it's next on their nerf list.

Bramir · October 2015

I tried to adjust to this 'trend' by switching to a stamina build and not even bothering with hardened ward. I do pretty good damage, but have no way to mitigate any damage, and die in seconds to good opponents. Squishy beyond comprehension is the only way I can describe it...

Hardened ward is a key skill for the sorcerer class, and it is now a liability to use it in PvP. Whichever developer's pet set bonus this is needs to have a talking to about bias and how it affects decision making.

Bashev · October 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

Lucky28 · October 2015

L2S. Learn to streak.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · October 2015

Runaway that well know conduit for exciting fun gameplay for all.

Brrrofski · October 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Bashev · October 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

Derra · October 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This would be a nice mechanic if dot´s were equally accessible by all classes. As it stands it would tremendously benefit DK, NB would be happy too templars a bit less and well sorcs don´t have a dot at all.

Darnathian · October 2015

tennant94 wrote: »

Just get rid of shieldbreaker its stupid

Just get rid of shield stacking. It's stupid. Or the cp system. One of the other. But they are not comparable.

Darnathian · October 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This ^^^^^. The sorcs won't like that though. Magicka DKS being viable again is every other classes nightmare. There are still some calling for more nerfs to magicka DKS.