How do I l2p against shieldbraker.

Darnathian

Derra wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This would be a nice mechanic if dot´s were equally accessible by all classes. As it stands it would tremendously benefit DK, NB would be happy too templars a bit less and well sorcs don´t have a dot at all.

That is what our class offense is designed around. It is just rendered useless by shields. Every class can't have everything. Otherwise they are all the same. That is what sorcs and nb's say in every damn nerf thread. Stop being biased

Lucky28

Darnathian wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Just get rid of shieldbreaker its stupid

Just get rid of shield stacking. It's stupid. Or the cp system. One of the other. But they are not comparable.

How bought not. only stack shields in PvE myself. but have never had a problem going up against it in PvP and i am Magicka build so that's typically three shields i have to get through. just requires a little bit more effort to kill someone, which i don't find to be a bad thing.

Darnathian

Lucky28 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Just get rid of shieldbreaker its stupid

Just get rid of shield stacking. It's stupid. Or the cp system. One of the other. But they are not comparable.

How bought not. only stack shields in PvE myself. but have never had a problem going up against it in PvP and i am Magicka build so that's typically three shields i have to get through. just requires a little bit more effort to kill someone, which i don't find to be a bad thing.

I agree with wanting effort. However, magicka DKS are DoT based. It is rendered useless in pvp. It use to not be a problem. You killed the sorcs stamina pool and then you had them if they didn't kill you already. But now through use of cp system and engine guardian you can't deplete their pool.

There are literally people running around with +25% magicka and stam regen. They also invest in break free reduction do stamina is never an issue.

Derra

Darnathian wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This would be a nice mechanic if dot´s were equally accessible by all classes. As it stands it would tremendously benefit DK, NB would be happy too templars a bit less and well sorcs don´t have a dot at all.

That is what our class offense is designed around. It is just rendered useless by shields. Every class can't have everything. Otherwise they are all the same. That is what sorcs and nb's say in every damn nerf thread. Stop being biased

Well my classes offense is rendered useless by relfect. I guess we´re equally biased?

Strider_Roshin

If you spot a bow shield breaker user, you need to close the gap fast, be aggressive, use CCs, and don't pop your shield until they're dead. Also have a good HoT on your bar to assist with survivability. I should also mention that using the defense buff from lightening form will assist you as well.

ToRelax

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If you spot a bow shield breaker user, you need to close the gap fast, be aggressive, use CCs, and don't pop your shield until they're dead. Also have a good HoT on your bar to assist with survivability. I should also mention that using the defense buff from lightening form will assist you as well.

Nonsense, using the shield is always better unless all opponents are only light attacking with Shieldbreaker. In that case Lightning Form doesn't help at all, too.

Strider_Roshin

ToRelax wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If you spot a bow shield breaker user, you need to close the gap fast, be aggressive, use CCs, and don't pop your shield until they're dead. Also have a good HoT on your bar to assist with survivability. I should also mention that using the defense buff from lightening form will assist you as well.

Nonsense, using the shield is always better unless all opponents are only light attacking with Shieldbreaker. In that case Lightning Form doesn't help at all, too.

I light attack weave. That magicka would be better spent elsewhere.

Lucky28

Darnathian wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Just get rid of shieldbreaker its stupid

Just get rid of shield stacking. It's stupid. Or the cp system. One of the other. But they are not comparable.

How bought not. only stack shields in PvE myself. but have never had a problem going up against it in PvP and i am Magicka build so that's typically three shields i have to get through. just requires a little bit more effort to kill someone, which i don't find to be a bad thing.

I agree with wanting effort. However, magicka DKS are DoT based. It is rendered useless in pvp. It use to not be a problem. You killed the sorcs stamina pool and then you had them if they didn't kill you already. But now through use of cp system and engine guardian you can't deplete their pool.

There are literally people running around with +25% magicka and stam regen. They also invest in break free reduction do stamina is never an issue.

true, but you also have to consider unlike magic and elemental damage reduction, there is no Physical damage reduction area's in the champion system. there is only shields.

Xsorus

Derra wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This would be a nice mechanic if dot´s were equally accessible by all classes. As it stands it would tremendously benefit DK, NB would be happy too templars a bit less and well sorcs don´t have a dot at all.

Biting Jabs is technically a dot...just like Rapid Strikes is.

Templars would actually be super scary.

ToRelax

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If you spot a bow shield breaker user, you need to close the gap fast, be aggressive, use CCs, and don't pop your shield until they're dead. Also have a good HoT on your bar to assist with survivability. I should also mention that using the defense buff from lightening form will assist you as well.

Nonsense, using the shield is always better unless all opponents are only light attacking with Shieldbreaker. In that case Lightning Form doesn't help at all, too.

I light attack weave. That magicka would be better spent elsewhere.

But that's the point, if you weave it's still better for me to have a shield up or I line myself up to get bursted down suddenly. >_>

kadar

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Disengage. Then attack. No one can spam light attacks with a crystal frag in their mouth.

FriedEggSandwich

I had a couple of duels yesterday with a stam sorc running 5 shield breaker. It was in a field with no cover except a tree so he beat me twice. The first fight actually lasted about 5 mins so I was able to learn a few things. I wear 5 light and 2 heavy and boundless storm, rapid regen and some offence was enough to keep me healthy for the majority of the fight. Frustratingly I nearly had him at one point but he hugged the tree until he healed up, I blame myself for not doing the same to him.

I just couldn't help hitting hardened ward when I got low though and this allowed him to put me in execute range with the set procs. He had me in execute range twice and both times I was able to pull it back by using, wait for it.. healing ward. After casting it 2-3 dodge rolls were enough to avoid his light attacks for 6 secs for the ward to pop and heal me. I was able to do this twice, but the third time I screwed up and decided to try to streak away from his arrows, which is what killed me.

If I had used the tree as well as he had then I would have won. Maybe if I had been more offensive I could have won. Maybe if I'd used blessing of restoration it would have been easier, but the shield breaker set made it really difficult, and I have a build that is less reliant on shields than some.

The second fight was over in seconds; he burst me down with no shield, I popped shield, bong, bong, dead.

This has probably already been said but I can confirm that to counter shield breaker you need to continue to use wards, including healing ward, plus another heal stronger than rapid regen, the more hp you have the easier it will be (I have 21k), don't fight them without cover, but if you have to then you can either go full feral-animal offence or you can run. That is it.

I was duelling a magicka NB in the same group and we were able to kill each other fairly equally; I had him 4 times, he had me 6. I don't use harness/dampen anymore. He wasn't using shield breaker, being a magicka build, but had no issues bursting down my one shield. My point is that shield breaker was allegedly brought in to combat shield stacking, and it does, but it also punishes the single shield users and those that just want to use healing ward as a heal. If you are a damage dealer with high damage output, but need to use this sets 5 piece to counter a sorc with one shield then you are bad at the game, confirmed.

Shield breaker set is here to stay because people have invested in it, but perversely that means that shield stacking is here to stay too, because without shield stacking this set would be overkill. Guess people just have to live with things the way they are, me included.

Brrrofski

It's worse when you have shields up....

Having a ward of any sort procs the 2.21k light attack...

Master_Kas

diskiukas wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Heal through it? Have more health. The reason it's a thing is because of how big shields are. That person has sacrificed their build to counter yours.

Ever heard about Wykkyds Outfiter add-on? One click and you can change your gear as soon as you see sorc.
All you NB's defending SB, I will laugh my ass off whenever ZOS will do something similar to your best survival tool- Cloak. I am sure it's next on their nerf list.

We've been playing with versus detectpots, curses, radiant magelight, piercing mark, steel tornado and other AoEs which break cloak for a long time now. Also they nerfed dodgeroll which is more of a survival tool for a stamina nb than cloak, or it used to be until this patch.

No doubt cloak is next to be hit with the nerf hammer tough.

Derra

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Play with 30k health?. Put heavy armor and dont rely on shields only? I know that what I am proposing is not OP and even that you die randomly from some shield breaker spammers you are not going to change your build because it wont be effective.

So I have go drop my dps and regen while bow spammers drop.... ummm..... a set piece?

That isn't balance.

We'll add a set in the game that gives people cat eyes so night blades can be seen and targeted in cloak.

So they will have to play with 30k health and heavy armor too.

It's the flip side to shield breaker.

With the other three bonuses all very good too of course.

Dont get me wrong but you have super advantage with streak and shields. The only counter is a range bow light attack spammer. Imagine that you drop these 2 utilities that you have and then you can see how magicka DK feels right now. If you do not have any deffensive abilities you should stack armor and health. Then you luck in damage. Luckily your class do not have to do this because your defensive ability scales with your offensive stats. Lets not forget that the shields were nerfed only with 5% which is nothing (damage was nerfed too, that is why it is only 5%). ZoS should remove the set but let all DoTs bypass the shields.

This would be a nice mechanic if dot´s were equally accessible by all classes. As it stands it would tremendously benefit DK, NB would be happy too templars a bit less and well sorcs don´t have a dot at all.

Biting Jabs is technically a dot...just like Rapid Strikes is.

Templars would actually be super scary.

It´s a mix of both and therefor as quite some flunky mechanics addet to it. Could be scary or not at all. Burning light is the scary thing and it would be absorbed.
Also the first hit is not considered a dot. The dmg would be spread and quite easy to counter with hots + shields.

Cinnamon_Spider

I ran into a few people using this set tonight and luckily it makes a distinctive, sickening sound, so I know to get more defensive and find out who is using the set. One was using it with a two hander and getting in light attacks with his wrecking blow. Dodge roll, defensive rune, streak, overload and he was down. The other was a bow user and the fight went pretty much the same way.

The people using this set are relying too much on it rather than skill. They don't know how to act when you can keep yourself healed with a pot or degeneration + overload. The only ones that are a problem are the ones running in groups that focus you down while you're taking damage from others.

IKilled007

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

2150? LOL must have no weapon damage. My shieldbreaker arrows hit for about 3k. I am the sorc-assassin.

cschwingeb14_ESO

My solution was to swap to healing ward from ward ally, drop boundless storm for mutagen, and forget that entropy exists (using power surge). I was already running mines, but the heals from that help too

Also, running Thief for > 50% crit rate. *My* light attack/crushing shock weaves still generate about 1k hps on non-shielded pvp targets, as crushing shock 3x hit has a high likelihood of getting at least 1 crit.