Maelstrom Arena PTS Challenge

Personofsecrets · October 2015

What about DK @asneakybanana . certainly they wouldn't have designed something bad for the DK!

asneakybanana · October 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

What about DK @asneakybanana . certainly they wouldn't have designed something bad for the DK!

I mean DK IMO is the worst out of the 4 classes in there ATM but not by much. You can manhandle your dk into a build that works but I highly doubt many other builds are going to work other than a destro/resto dk running hots and shield stacking with plenty of burst heals for that o sh!t moment. DKs do have a nice leg up with reflect though. It saves a lot of headache in having to deal w/ high damage ranged attacks from some of the bosses and adds. I wouldnt say its designed bad for just dk, its designed bad for all classes. As of right now im pretty sure only 2 people have managed to make it to the final stage and I did it on a 3 hour run to the final stage the spent 5 hours and around 100 lives trying to kill the boss and failing pretty spectacularly not managing to really get him below 85% before getting rekt by too much stuff going on at 1 time.

Personofsecrets · October 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

What about DK @asneakybanana . certainly they wouldn't have designed something bad for the DK!

I mean DK IMO is the worst out of the 4 classes in there ATM but not by much. You can manhandle your dk into a build that works but I highly doubt many other builds are going to work other than a destro/resto dk running hots and shield stacking with plenty of burst heals for that o sh!t moment. DKs do have a nice leg up with reflect though. It saves a lot of headache in having to deal w/ high damage ranged attacks from some of the bosses and adds. I wouldnt say its designed bad for just dk, its designed bad for all classes. As of right now im pretty sure only 2 people have managed to make it to the final stage and I did it on a 3 hour run to the final stage the spent 5 hours and around 100 lives trying to kill the boss and failing pretty spectacularly not managing to really get him below 85% before getting rekt by too much stuff going on at 1 time.

That is pretty good for you to make it to the final boss. The only thinG I'm not a fan of is that it seems like I won't be able to effectively use heavy armor.

Nifty2g · October 2015

Of course you won't be able to.. why would you even consider going in arena with 5 heavy?

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

VetMA should be doable by any class of course, but that doesn't mean with any build. Obviously the "role-dedicated" builds (such as full heavy armor for tanking) will have to be changed or tweaked to be more versatile in order to survive there. Pure tanks and pure healers will have to adjust to get more DPS, pure DPS will have to adjust to get more protection and self-heal.

I feel for the tanks though, they're the ones who will have to change/adjust/respec the most.

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

VetMA should be doable by any class of course, but that doesn't mean with any build. Obviously the "role-dedicated" builds (such as full heavy armor for tanking) will have to be changed or tweaked to be more versatile in order to survive there. Pure tanks and pure healers will have to adjust to get more DPS, pure DPS will have to adjust to get more protection and self-heal.

I feel for the tanks though, they're the ones who will have to change/adjust/respec the most.

Most good tanks won't have a problem with it since most good tanks have been running DPS gears or off sets since 1.6 when running with advanced players. DSA/Planar Inhibitor/etc all have the tank go to more of a DPS style than a tank.

Waffennacht · October 2015

Are there ever any such events or contests for console users?

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

Are there ever any such events or contests for console users?

This is going to be for everyone, they stated that the contest will begin after it's launched on PC AND consoles, so they have a chance as well. Was in the ESO live from the 15th.

Personofsecrets · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Of course you won't be able to.. why would you even consider going in arena with 5 heavy?

Well, if the arena wasn't a DPS race, then I would be excited for the extra survivability.

So why would anyone consider heavy armor? Well no duh, they wouldn't.

Why shouldn't we have an arena where heavy armor is the must have rather than burst DPS? That is a better question @ZOS_RichLambert . Do you even care one iota about players who tank?

Nifty2g · October 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Of course you won't be able to.. why would you even consider going in arena with 5 heavy?

Well, if the arena wasn't a DPS race, then I would be excited for the extra survivability.

So why would anyone consider heavy armor? Well no duh, they wouldn't.

Why shouldn't we have an arena where heavy armor is the must have rather than burst DPS? That is a better question @ZOS_RichLambert . Do you even care one iota about player who tank?

Lol you can't be serious right?

Fissh · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Of course you won't be able to.. why would you even consider going in arena with 5 heavy?

Well, if the arena wasn't a DPS race, then I would be excited for the extra survivability.

So why would anyone consider heavy armor? Well no duh, they wouldn't.

Why shouldn't we have an arena where heavy armor is the must have rather than burst DPS? That is a better question @ZOS_RichLambert . Do you even care one iota about player who tank?

Lol you can't be serious right?

Why wouldn't he be serious? Think about it. High end tanking isn't needed ANYWHERE in the game. It is rather discouraged.
IC: tanks need to be more dps for loot.
Vet Dung: Tanks need to be "dps'y" for a number of fights in new ones. And don't need to be heavy mitigators in old ones.
Trials: lol, if you even want to do the same old crap again, you just stack and burn the entire house down. No optimization needed.

Dps get rewarded for optimized dps gear
Healers get rewarded for optimized healer gear.
Tanks need to sideline their optimized gear for dps gear.....

Get the point being made?

asneakybanana · October 2015

No one can run a full DPS/healer build and be successful in MA, so why should a tank be able to run a full tank build and be successful? MA needs a well rounded character not just a character thats all the way to the left or the right. When Im in there I use destro/resto and I do not think it would be possible for me to complete it right now w/o the resto staff. If you want to be tankier then you can still use heavy armor. This would require you to heal less since you have more mitigation so you can spend more time focused on dpsing the boss where as a light armor dps build would have to heal more and be on the defensive more so they can only have their shot at dpsing boss at certain times. Even if you don't want MA to b just for tanks they still play a super vital role in trials and dsa and dungeons. Having a good tank is one of the most important things for going faster sand getting better scores. Whether the tank is doing more dps or giving support to the group or just simply doing his job properly by making sure everything is taunted and not dying.

Cinbri · October 2015

So, those who will play only dlc pts, will get it for free. Seems "fair".

Personofsecrets · October 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

No one can run a full DPS/healer build and be successful in MA, so why should a tank be able to run a full tank build and be successful? MA needs a well rounded character not just a character thats all the way to the left or the right. When Im in there I use destro/resto and I do not think it would be possible for me to complete it right now w/o the resto staff. If you want to be tankier then you can still use heavy armor. This would require you to heal less since you have more mitigation so you can spend more time focused on dpsing the boss where as a light armor dps build would have to heal more and be on the defensive more so they can only have their shot at dpsing boss at certain times. Even if you don't want MA to b just for tanks they still play a super vital role in trials and dsa and dungeons. Having a good tank is one of the most important things for going faster sand getting better scores. Whether the tank is doing more dps or giving support to the group or just simply doing his job properly by making sure everything is taunted and not dying.

I don't believe anyone has argued that a 'full tank' should be completing Maelstrom arena. Your words about the benefits of heavy armor really hit home, but I don't see the benefit of heavy armor as able stack up compared to the other 5 piece armor bonuses.

Anyhow, we will see just how viable heavy armor is once we aren't contending with the battle spirit debuff. I will be trying out some new things to try and beat the DPS races and with heavy armor, but I have a feeling that heavy armor still will not be very effective.

EgoRush · October 2015

The great thing about Maelstrom is that it's forcing every build/role to adapt. A pure DPS glass cannon will struggle as they aren't survivable enough without a tank to take aggro. A pure heal build won't do enough damage and will take forever whittling enemies down or eventually be overrun. And a pure tank suffers the same way as a healer with low damage, but at least can outlast being overrun a little longer.

No matter what role you're used to doing in group content we're all going to have to adapt. Thankfully I've always been a berserk healer, focusing on high damage while maintaining health. My issue will be making it survivable enough to not be killed in 1-3 hits. It's an exciting challenge.

ZOS_Alex · October 2015

Hi, everyone.

We have removed several comments from this thread, and want to remind everyone that while we understand people are going to disagree from time to time, we ask that you remain constructive when debating and refrain from derailing the topic at hand. Trolling, baiting, and otherwise provoking conflict does not help further the discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly.

Thank you!

Personofsecrets · October 2015

EgoRush wrote: »

The great thing about Maelstrom is that it's forcing every build/role to adapt. A pure DPS glass cannon will struggle as they aren't survivable enough without a tank to take aggro. A pure heal build won't do enough damage and will take forever whittling enemies down or eventually be overrun. And a pure tank suffers the same way as a healer with low damage, but at least can outlast being overrun a little longer.

No matter what role you're used to doing in group content we're all going to have to adapt. Thankfully I've always been a berserk healer, focusing on high damage while maintaining health. My issue will be making it survivable enough to not be killed in 1-3 hits. It's an exciting challenge.

That is a pretty good point. We will see very soon!