Word on the street is the "Undeath" fix is going to severely gimp his build.

..And he's going to lose over half of his CPs.

I much preferred this player as emperor compared to an emperor who does a ton of damage. You can just kill all his friends and then either ignore him or focus fire him down (without clumping in his ultimate so you give him bonus mitigation).

I think he's made PvP frustrating and exceeding boring in turns for many players and so I can't respect the style of play he utilizes but I do respect the fact that he was able to figure out the build and take advantage of it for so long without others being able to figure it out.

@Ezareth While some of it is a high mitigation build (exact details of the gear, skills, and champion point distribution he uses are known), that's not the only thing that he is believed to be doing.

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

It was shown to us set at 50% mitigation, 90% mitigation, and with a dynamic calculation of IF %INCOMINGDAMAGE > %CURRENTHEALTH THEN SET %INCOMINGDAMAGE TO (%CURRENTHEALTH - 1)

In the demonstration, the character using the hack was a level 10 DC toon, and had six VR16 AD toons attacking him to generate data (damage done per attack).

Full details were submitted to ZOS a few days after the IC patch.

The people with full knowledge of it are considering releasing the application for everyone to use in order to force ZOS to fix things (encrypt data in memory using a key that is not stored in clear text would be an easy solution). I've advised against doing so, though contrary to popular belief I don't control everyone in AD.

EDIT: Typo

Takllin wrote: »

@blabafat, Divine Force or Cross I forget which and another DC person, Countsquashula and I ran into an EP DK outside of Alessia last night who, when he fell under ~1k health, or even had his health bar at 0 or marked as dead, would not die. He couldn't even be targetted or hit with any ability or bash. Thought at the same time he couldn't do any damage to us either during this period of time.

I have seen this game bug before. It is usually lag related like when people die and still slide around. The real exploits allow people to keep attacking you while taking little to no damage.

Crown wrote: »

@Ezareth While some of it is a high mitigation build (exact details of the gear, skills, and champion point distribution he uses are known), that's not the only thing that he is believed to be doing.

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

It was shown to us set at 50% mitigation, 90% mitigation, and with a dynamic calculation of IF %INCOMINGDAMAGE > %CURRENTHEALTH THEN SET %INCOMINGDAMAGE TO (%CURRENTHEALTH - 1)

In the demonstration, the character using the hack was a level 10 DC toon, and had six VR16 AD toons attacking him to generate data (damage done per attack).

Full details were submitted to ZOS a few days after the IC patch.

The people with full knowledge of it are considering releasing the application for everyone to use in order to force ZOS to fix things (encrypt data in memory using a key that is not stored in clear text would be an easy solution). I've advised against doing so, though contrary to popular belief I don't control everyone in AD.

EDIT: Typo

Well that was quite a while ago, they dont care until you make it public, was same issue with previous bugs too.

Crown wrote: »

@Ezareth While some of it is a high mitigation build (exact details of the gear, skills, and champion point distribution he uses are known), that's not the only thing that he is believed to be doing.

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

It was shown to us set at 50% mitigation, 90% mitigation, and with a dynamic calculation of IF %INCOMINGDAMAGE > %CURRENTHEALTH THEN SET %INCOMINGDAMAGE TO (%CURRENTHEALTH - 1)

In the demonstration, the character using the hack was a level 10 DC toon, and had six VR16 AD toons attacking him to generate data (damage done per attack).

Full details were submitted to ZOS a few days after the IC patch.

The people with full knowledge of it are considering releasing the application for everyone to use in order to force ZOS to fix things (encrypt data in memory using a key that is not stored in clear text would be an easy solution). I've advised against doing so, though contrary to popular belief I don't control everyone in AD.

EDIT: Typo

He's not using a hack Crown. I've observed him and recorded him longer than any other player here and was fighting him before his build made him virtually invulnerable. I haven't bothered testing the mitigation stacking myself as the build itself is extremely boring but I do know several things that make me certain he isn't using a "hack". His build is no longer effective on his sorc which is why he is playing a templar. It has always worked for both Sorc and Templar but not NB or DK. If you fight him properly he can't maintain the high level of mitigation except when he is in undeath range. Undeath is getting fixed and I think that will make his build pretty much useless.

I've killed this guy and the others he runs with too many times and I pay close attention to the numbers being done to him relative to his health and relative to what abilities he is using etc.

Ezareth wrote: »

I've killed this guy and the others he runs with too many times and I pay close attention to the numbers being done to him relative to his health and relative to what abilities he is using etc.

@Ezareth I've killed him many times as well, and recorded it more times than I want to remember. The deciding factor on the belief that he's using an application like the one we were shown is his taking zero damage in a 3 (2 magicka NB and 1 stamplar) vs 1 (him) when he's at 1 health for more than 30 seconds continuous (more time than the skills he uses should be able to mitigate damage). Over the course of said 30 seconds, his mitigation was 100% for everything (including ults) maintaining that 1 health.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@Ezareth While some of it is a high mitigation build (exact details of the gear, skills, and champion point distribution he uses are known), that's not the only thing that he is believed to be doing.

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

It was shown to us set at 50% mitigation, 90% mitigation, and with a dynamic calculation of IF %INCOMINGDAMAGE > %CURRENTHEALTH THEN SET %INCOMINGDAMAGE TO (%CURRENTHEALTH - 1)

In the demonstration, the character using the hack was a level 10 DC toon, and had six VR16 AD toons attacking him to generate data (damage done per attack).

Full details were submitted to ZOS a few days after the IC patch.

The people with full knowledge of it are considering releasing the application for everyone to use in order to force ZOS to fix things (encrypt data in memory using a key that is not stored in clear text would be an easy solution). I've advised against doing so, though contrary to popular belief I don't control everyone in AD.

EDIT: Typo

He's not using a hack Crown. I've observed him and recorded him longer than any other player here and was fighting him before his build made him virtually invulnerable. I haven't bothered testing the mitigation stacking myself as the build itself is extremely boring but I do know several things that make me certain he isn't using a "hack". His build is no longer effective on his sorc which is why he is playing a templar. It has always worked for both Sorc and Templar but not NB or DK. If you fight him properly he can't maintain the high level of mitigation except when he is in undeath range. Undeath is getting fixed and I think that will make his build pretty much useless.

I've killed this guy and the others he runs with too many times and I pay close attention to the numbers being done to him relative to his health and relative to what abilities he is using etc.

Ignorance is ignorance I guess.
When even the best of the best theorycrafters can't figure it out after this long, there's no way in hell it's legit. You yourself should know that math does not lie.

I probably could figure it out but I've only theorycrafted, not went out and acquired each of the different sets. I've also never been a vampire so thats another huge time sink to the equation. And then I don't have a templar etc.

ZoS wouldn't have sent him a request to make his build public if he was using a hack. I know his email from them was legit because I've seen a similar email myself that was legit. He has been investigated countless times and I know from personal experience that if they even think there is a chance you're using a hack they'll ban you.

So no I don't think he's a hack, I've talked to him and have good reason to believe him (I started the original witch hunt against him if you recall) and I've talked to many people who group with him that I trust as well. He's just using a really crappy build that gives him crap damage and insane mitigation. If ZoS would just put a hard cap on the amount of mitigation you receive, or make all sources of mitigation multiplicative we'd never have this issue. The fault lies with ZoS, not the player.

Crown wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've killed this guy and the others he runs with too many times and I pay close attention to the numbers being done to him relative to his health and relative to what abilities he is using etc.

@Ezareth I've killed him many times as well, and recorded it more times than I want to remember. The deciding factor on the belief that he's using an application like the one we were shown is his taking zero damage in a 3 (2 magicka NB and 1 stamplar) vs 1 (him) when he's at 1 health for more than 30 seconds continuous (more time than the skills he uses should be able to mitigate damage). Over the course of said 30 seconds, his mitigation was 100% for everything (including ults) maintaining that 1 health.

I've seen that happen to several players both with the pheonix set and before that existed. Every time I've killed him (probably 30 times as he was emperor a couple nights ago) he died while taking anywhere from 1-15% of damage depending on how stupid the people fighting him were. I've never once seen him stuck at 1 health and I've killed the players he runs with as well, there are times when they take only slightly reduced damage and die normally as well. Once again, not indicative of a hack, only the lack of the requirements that make the mitigation stacking possible.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/224097/exploit-inmortal-player-imperial-city#latest

Not the only invincible(ish) apparently. Actually stuff like this needs to spread to force ZOS to fix it.

Laggus wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/224097/exploit-inmortal-player-imperial-city#latest

Not the only invincible(ish) apparently. Actually stuff like this needs to spread to force ZOS to fix it.

That's the Phoenix set bug, a whole other issue.

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

That claim makes me LOL so hard, just change your name to Clown plz.

Have you helped ZOS by explaining how you achieve this mitigation?

Zheg wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

That claim makes me LOL so hard, just change your name to Clown plz.

Have you helped ZOS by explaining how you achieve this mitigation?

Of course not.

On an unrelated note, GoS is going for a diverse roster of really good players, decent players, and ex sorcs that switch to a v8 templar and take double digit damage from full raids. I'm literally baffled why people like this aren't guildless pariahs, but I guess some people are just more open-minded eh?

I'd say just go spam twitch chat on the next ESO live asking why this guy can still log in, but the devs will probably see all of those questions and respond by telling us there are new lighting features coming in the next patch.

Eh, many guild leaders are pretty prideful. The fact that a bunch none-members are demanding that they kick someone is often a good enough reason not to.

timidobserver wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

That claim makes me LOL so hard, just change your name to Clown plz.

Have you helped ZOS by explaining how you achieve this mitigation?

Of course not.

On an unrelated note, GoS is going for a diverse roster of really good players, decent players, and ex sorcs that switch to a v8 templar and take double digit damage from full raids. I'm literally baffled why people like this aren't guildless pariahs, but I guess some people are just more open-minded eh?

I'd say just go spam twitch chat on the next ESO live asking why this guy can still log in, but the devs will probably see all of those questions and respond by telling us there are new lighting features coming in the next patch.

Eh, many guild leaders are pretty prideful. The fact that a bunch non-members are demanding that they kick someone is often a good enough reason not to.

That's not even pride, that's being stubborn. Pride would be kicking the members that make the entire guild a laughing stock and sours it's reputation. imo.

Crown wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

We have had demonstrated to us the use of an application that when run, will intercept incoming damage data to the game client, and change the number for incoming damage to whatever one chooses.

That claim makes me LOL so hard, just change your name to Clown plz.

There's a difference between claim and fact.

Fact: 6 AD stood in front of a level 10 DC who was naked in Trueflame.
Fact: We all tested how much our light attack and one spell did to him.
Fact: We were then told to wait 30 seconds and test damage again.
Fact: Attacks that previously did thousands of damage per hit then did 1 single damage per hit (in my case Funnel Health that previously did about 6k did 1 damage).

There's nothing you can dispute about it. It was recorded and sent to ZOS as evidence of such a hack existing.

This is the same way that other people have unlimited resources. All the calculations for resource pools are local to the game client. There are currently four people that I'm aware of who are actively using this method to have unlimited magicka and stamina in PvE.

When the coders change how this information is handled (not just obfuscation), then it will fix the issue globally.

EDIT: Now, whether you use this or not (or something else) is another question.

I don't think they *can* validate these things on the server side without giving the hamster who is currently powering the megaserver a freaking stroke.

I wasn't denying the existence of the hack. I've long been aware of similar hacks like the Speed hack that gives you maximum speed, only that the player in question isn't using one because of the data I've recorded and things I've noticed throughout the past year+ I've been observing him.