[Confirmed Bug] Maelstrom Weps. Huge imbalance between stam/mag, almost 10x more dmg for stam!
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asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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Stalwart385✭✭✭✭Is there no one handed weapon that gives a bonus to the S&B line? Like a one handed sword for low slash or something?0 -
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✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Teargrants wrote: »You're just grasping at straws here.
- How does the wep being dropped through PvE have anything to do with considering or not considering the balance in PvP? Every dropped set in the game outside of the PvP reward boxes drops from, you guessed it, PvE.
The devs often design item sets for specific purposes. Most PvP bound sets are more desired in PvP than PvE, and vice versa. It should be no surprise that sometimes they overlook how one may be used in the other scenario
- How does the dot being affected by CP passives mean it's ok that this dot deals more dmg than ultimates like standard/meteor? Every other dot in the game is also affected by those passives.
- Because its over FIVE SECONDS. Meteor may hit for 2k-3k less, but it is instant up front damage. Oh and the DoT would easily put meteor ahead, same with banner.
- Affected by Battle Spirit? Have you tested that? Because there are a number of sets that are not at all affected by Battle Spirit, such as Shield Breaker - that still does 2k dmg to players in Cyrodiil.
- Every set that is unaffected by Battle Spirit has been specifically stated so in patch notes, if it is not then they either missed the documentation of it, or overlooked it
- You're basing your argument on people having 100 points in Thick Skinned? Please don't make me laugh, between Block Expertise, Bastion, and the 501 CP cap, NO ONE will be putting 100 points in Thick Skinned.
Not 100, but still some. Keep in mind Thick skinned isn't the only CP passive that can reduce damage from this.
- Your last point simply shows a lack of experience in PvP. It is impossible to prevent someone from getting the 5m distance they need to crit rush you by staying "in this guy's face".
- As a pure melee build I assure you the only time I let my opponent leave a 5m range is if I'm trying to run away or they have used something like streak/cloak/fear. It's easy to not let someone leave my range when I have access to ambush :^)
I'm grasping at straws? Please, your argument has so many inconsistencies a preschooler could point them out.
What's the issue? You cant seriously be defending that 2hnder passive in particular. I would question your motives and your sanity if you are. I actually think it is so OP its comical. Where is my LOL button?
@Rayste I got you covered! The day they removed the LOL button I made this in response! USE IT!
http://i.imgur.com/6nqQ1FL.jpg
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✭P.S. I wish one day that staves would have MORE spell damage than melee weapons....... I still do not agree with that crap. Why should I be forced to use daggers to get the most spell damage for my caster >_>3 -
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✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Broken record time for Scruffy, but can you please add a magicka melee player to your itemization team.
There is not a single maelstrom weapon that would help a magicka melee player (maybe the restro one on the second bar but even then it's much more geared for a primary healer).
The crafted gear has Julianos which is nice but not magicka melee specific and I already have my poor man Julio's in Kag's Hope.
I think you are teasing me with the Armor of the Code. It almost looks like it was a set that was abandoned and the data was left in the code so the reveal through the mining was accidental.
Maybe your are saving all the good stuff for the Dark Brotherhood DLC. I sure hope so.
Also why don't we see any class specific skill altering weapons/items?
Wouldn't the dagger's buff to single target dots be useful for some caster builds?
No. You would loose much damage and essential stamina, you already don't have enough stamina to survive usually.
Steel tornado won't deal any damage for a caster. I don't think, this is a possibility. And the weapon damage on the dagger is actual weapon damage, no weapon-weapon damage that applies to spells as well.
It's Flurry, not Steel Tornado. Still true.
Pfff, why did I say Steel tornado ? O.o Must have been distracted.
Flurry of course
At least Flurry -> Poison Injection could work without having one skill just for the proc.0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭P.S. I wish one day that staves would have MORE spell damage than melee weapons....... I still do not agree with that crap. Why should I be forced to use daggers to get the most spell damage for my caster >_>
This is because your entire discourse is predicated on a problematic paradigm of staff-centrism. Those of us of magicaka melee nb persuasion are firmly persuaded that two magic swords should spell power the pants off of a single staff.
Besides magic swords can cut things. They have to be forged by a master weapon smith using secret techniques passed down from generation to generation. If only there were magic Katanas but that's another diatribe.
Staffs are just big sticks that some hedge wizard finds lying on the ground and after a little drunken dance, mumbling and probably some fairy dust they shoot fire balls or mock you with light attack bonuses after you cast a useless spell that creates a static wall of stationary sadness that nobody is stupid enough to stand in.
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✭asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.
Makes no difference. Still overpoweredAuri-El is my lord,
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ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭Yeah it's still high. Like I said before, it's a free just damage crippling grasp. I would love just that as a skill to replace Agony lol. You put it on any magicka set as a 5 piece bonus and I would consider it. It looks like a way better damage booster than Skoria especially with a guaranteed proc. Yeah I know the rng godess will make you grind hard and still stiff you but Skoria was bad too and the sword is just one piece and you get the bonus.
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✭I can imagine a world where Crushing shocks master weapon allows
A) Added spell damage and the ability to NOT be reflected
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✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »P.S. I wish one day that staves would have MORE spell damage than melee weapons....... I still do not agree with that crap. Why should I be forced to use daggers to get the most spell damage for my caster >_>
This is because your entire discourse is predicated on a problematic paradigm of staff-centrism. Those of us of magicaka melee nb persuasion are firmly persuaded that two magic swords should spell power the pants off of a single staff.
Besides magic swords can cut things. They have to be forged by a master weapon smith using secret techniques passed down from generation to generation. If only there were magic Katanas but that's another diatribe.
Staffs are just big sticks that some hedge wizard finds lying on the ground and after a little drunken dance, mumbling and probably some fairy dust they shoot fire balls or mock you with light attack bonuses after you cast a useless spell that creates a static wall of stationary sadness that nobody is stupid enough to stand in.
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you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs....... 0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ?
this can't be right.
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✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Clearly he has never seen someone stand in it, or did he mean a level 10 guy with junk gear?ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
Scruffy, you have my vote
As long as there was drink and food for all, and ACTUAL BALANCE, you would be president/king 2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it"
Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.Auri-El is my lord,
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Magnus is my mind.
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OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it" Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.
^_^ I can feel the love!!! But yea my question to him during that eso live episode was "do you have any plans to make WoE more competitive compared to PBAOE that are harder to avoid considering you can side step out of WoE and only take one tic of damage" his reply to that question made me question everything about ESOEdited by OGLezard on October 7, 2015 8:31PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it" Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.
^_^ I can feel the love!!! But yea my question to him during that eso live episode was "do you have any plans to make WoE more competitive compared to PBAOE that are harder to avoid considering you can side step out of WoE and only take one tic of damage" his reply to that question made me question everything about ESO
It's physical love
Hm so his answer was the one you posted above ?
Because I remember Eric saying the thing you wrote above many months ago during an eso live showEdited by Dracane on October 7, 2015 8:36PMAuri-El is my lord,
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✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it" Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.
^_^ I can feel the love!!! But yea my question to him during that eso live episode was "do you have any plans to make WoE more competitive compared to PBAOE that are harder to avoid considering you can side step out of WoE and only take one tic of damage" his reply to that question made me question everything about ESO
It's physical love
Hm so his answer was the one you posted above ?
Because I remember Eric saying the thing you wrote above many months ago during an eso live show
that show is the one I am talking about lololol1 -
asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.
Since when do cp affect tooltips?Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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✭asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.
Since when do cp affect tooltips?
Since IC launched. With the exception of Thaum, since it's broken atm and not appearing on TT's (it still works though on actual damage)Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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Severan✭✭✭Well now stamina builds have another skill they can spam instead of Wrecking Blow. Hope it's just a bug...
Where are the master weapons that can effect class skills? A little unfair to melee magicka users.Xbox One - BeScurred1 -
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✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
I do love that "we buffed the duration now the skill is so super amazing and powerful". I get that against a test target with likely 0 health regen its noticable, but as of now they just buffed the duration of a boot warmer. Also, when was the last time anyone was at risk when staying in an aoe not caused by an ultimate? I shoot volley or elemental blockade and people step out because they get annoyed it seems.2 -
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✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it" Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.
^_^ I can feel the love!!! But yea my question to him during that eso live episode was "do you have any plans to make WoE more competitive compared to PBAOE that are harder to avoid considering you can side step out of WoE and only take one tic of damage" his reply to that question made me question everything about ESO
Wrobel's answers in some of those eso lives are why I unsubbed. The guy just doesn't understand PVP at all and it is a travesty that he is the lead combat designer.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.
Since when do cp affect tooltips?
Since IC launched. With the exception of Thaum, since it's broken atm and not appearing on TT's (it still works though on actual damage)
ele expert isnt affecting tooltips either. Would need to check out mighty but i dont think any add to tooltips.Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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Asneakycucumber EP Sorc Former empress of Blackwater Bay and Trueflame (Alliance rank 32)
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Asneakypickle EP NB Former empress of Trueflame (Alliance rank 47)
Crowned 27x on 12 different campaign cycles | 200M+ AP earned
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
Yes, it's complete nonsense.
The reason Eric Wrobel gave was that this is the tradeoff for the range of staves, which is just silly. NO ability is limited by the range of the weapon. I can happily spam Strife / Dark Flare / Crystal Frags / etc from way over there while dual wielding. The only real drawback is that you don't recover magicka with heavy attacks, and the only reason I would ever want to attack with DW as a magicka build is with basic attacks for ultimate generation.
Plus, you also get 1 more set item with DW. It's almost hilariously unbalanced.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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Mcnick✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »
honestly idk if agree to much with that cuz i see people get off like 15k heavy attacks with destro staffs and my heavy attack weaves with a resto staff hit like a truck so thats not the problem imo just my opinion though 0 -
Mcnick✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »*snip* lets be op crowd of stam and even if ur not a stam build how can you agree with this lol its murder infront of our faces and by the sounds of it your a dedicated player so how can you let them do this to the game you actually play and put time into?
Because I don't PvP as much as I do other things? Even if this item doesn't make it to live, PvP will still be filled with X is OP nerf Y and Z. And then you'll still have your exploiters who people report left and right that ZoS defends like they're devs themselves. It's not sets that ruin this game, it's the players.
but they could easily make it a even playing field by basically almost matching most of these sets for magicka and then make the changes that would stop all the bitching but instead they want us to start using wall of elements? lol this is a joke right? they need to improve that spell itself before we are even going to think its beneficial over other stuff and im not just talking about pvp obviously it effects every aspect of the game lol all the high ranks are obviously gonna be stam builds why not give the magicka build just as much oppurtunity to get the equal opposing score if they want it to be fair but they keep giving stam sets like this... i wish i had pretty much all the new med set from IC for magicka the spell cure is gonna be useless when law of julianos comes out so im glad i didnt spend countless hours farming WGT to get a completely useless set now because law of julianos is gonna give you better stats and you dont even have to throw a heal off so all the progress everyone just made to is for nothing.... i get you can just get all your gear the instant this comes out but other cant... im one of the people that gets my gear as soon as it comes out though so idk why i stick up for the people who never get to touch the gear that comes out of dungeons anyways... but im just saying nothing from maelstrom arena is useful for any magicka build and dont act like it is you can ask any serious magicka player and they would tell you themselves the v14 master weapons have better enchants than the v16 ones... v16 staffs and weapons other than godly maul/sword are trash.... i mean look at the shield its a tri glyph lol? their asking you to remove a set bonus for a supposed item thats supposed to be op and all it has is a tri stat glyph? no sword either... they couldve easily made it a 2 set sword and board bonus but obvisouly that was to hard for them...
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✭asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »I was having a hard time figuring out how why people seem to keep forgetting I was only saying it's bad in PvE, but then I noticed everyone on this thread is a PvP'er. It all makes sense now.
You really think a 20k damage (not counting crits or cp so will be closer to probably 30k) insta cast dot is Gunna b bad in pve O.o I for sure will b running that on any pve stam build whether it's front bar or back. You can cast crit rush while being in wb range so really there isn't much of a reason nor to use it.
Actually the screen shot OP posted was with full Mighty. https://i.imgur.com/cQRyjaL.jpg this is the TT of all weapons with no CP spent.
Since when do cp affect tooltips?
Since IC launched. With the exception of Thaum, since it's broken atm and not appearing on TT's (it still works though on actual damage)
ele expert isnt affecting tooltips either. Would need to check out mighty but i dont think any add to tooltips.
It was in the 2.1.4 patch notes but here's proof of in game live. http://imgur.com/a/z2F1lOld member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »I you @ScruffyWhiskers but I still do not like that melee weapons give more sd than staffs.......
Ok. Let's make them equal! I can live with that. Actually, I have always tried to make a destro staff work on my second bar and have failed every time. I would love it if they boosted the spell power. I'm for anything that boosts spell power.
If elected President of Tamriel the Magicka Rebalancing Act would be my first signature bill. Oh, and I would also throw all stam users into the Imperial Prison too.
I also think, that dual wield can gladly add the biggest amount of weapon damage, but destruction staves should definately add the biggest amount of spell power.
A staff is meant to channel your arcane power, but daggers do it better ? this can't be right.
so much this! Eric gave a bunk excuse as to why they did it that way.... When I asked him why WoE damage was so lack luster compared to the ever so popular PBAOE steel tornado, he said and I quote " we increased the duration of WoE so we feel it is pretty good right now. Besides if you stand in it you are going to melt *insert awkward chuckle*"
Excuse me ? You "melt when you stand in it" Eric is so cute
I mean, when I look at him, I melt. But he shouldn't compare himself to wall of elements.
^_^ I can feel the love!!! But yea my question to him during that eso live episode was "do you have any plans to make WoE more competitive compared to PBAOE that are harder to avoid considering you can side step out of WoE and only take one tic of damage" his reply to that question made me question everything about ESO
What took you so long?Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0
