Dominoid wrote: »

Not sure were to put this, so it goes here. On my woodworking Writ I was requested to make a Bristlecone staff. You didn't put bristlecone in the game (VR17 & 18 mat). Thanks. ;-)

Really?!?!?!? Well that means eventually they'll be updating the writs which is good news. And I'm sure going to be interested in seeing how you work this out.

i have yet to acquire a new motif or see anyone with one and i sually have all your guys new content pretty much as soon as it comes out so apparently no you didnt make it to easy to get your new motifs...

fiske wrote: »

DobbaDeuce wrote: »

I haven't tested with other players, but this could potentially mean that a low craft-skill player could go around clicking on nodes, but not taking their contents, and result in higher craft-skill player looting their lower tier rewards even though to them it looks like the node should be high-tier.

A guild mate and I tested this earlier today (can't remember if I filed this one yet), both as a group and splitting from the group, she opened up what I saw as voidstone and saw it as Iron. I then opened up the node and got iron. No idea what the timeout is though, so it may not be as bad as it seems.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Yup yup, didn't have time to post about this last night, but we did indeed test and found that people could potentially troll these new nodes, especially if the nodes remain as whatever they were "opened" as until actually harvested.

I cant wait to try this out on PTS. Just dont have the time atm.

I like the idea of scaling to passive, but what concerns me reading these comments are writs. If writs use these artificially rare mats how are we suppose to actually do them?

Currently the system works; I farm mats for an 1-2 hrs and have enough to do the equipment writs. Question for those who have actually farmed there: how long would I need to farm to get enough mats for a writ?

I plan on going to pts, but not sure when i will be able to test it out.

Dominoid wrote: »

The writs are already update for the "ruby" mats from IC/Wrothgar. You turn them in in Wrothgar and there are 3 of each "type" of survey maps to be found in Wrothgar.

Whoa, okay - I'd like to amend my answers from before. I ended up the day, not looking that hard, with about ... 15-20 of each V15 raw mat. I thought that seemed like a decent amount, because I was okay with the fact that all the rest were V14 since I could still use those for writs - so not only would I be making progress on my V16 gear (which I haven't decided on), but I'd still be able to do a bunch of writs every day and keep working on the glass motif frags. But if the writs are going to require V15 mats, then I'll probably ... pay to respec my characters out of 10/10 so that I can finish off the glass motif? I don't know - I'll have to think about it, but it feels like that's a decision a lot of crafters (and I'm not one of them, I'm just a weird completionist) are going to have to make.

I haven't tested out this part of the PTS yet but if I am reading correctly... new writs require the new material? If that's the case the new nodes should spawn way more then people are saying they are. I get you want us to grind this crap out BUT I am NOT spending 5 hours a day farming just to do a couple of writs a day. As a crafter that sucks. As a player, that sucks.

If you aren't going to do nodes by character level then at least make it so that they spawn often. ONLY because of writs. Its already frustrating to run out of materials every couple of days and have to farm or buy materials just to do writs as is, and void/ect. is easy as hell to find.

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I haven't tested out this part of the PTS yet but if I am reading correctly... new writs require the new material? If that's the case the new nodes should spawn way more then people are saying they are. I get you want us to grind this crap out BUT I am NOT spending 5 hours a day farming just to do a couple of writs a day. As a crafter that sucks. As a player, that sucks.

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I cant wait to try this out on PTS. Just dont have the time atm.

I like the idea of scaling to passive, but what concerns me reading these comments are writs. If writs use these artificially rare mats how are we suppose to actually do them?

Currently the system works; I farm mats for an 1-2 hrs and have enough to do the equipment writs. Question for those who have actually farmed there: how long would I need to farm to get enough mats for a writ?

It's important to note that IF a writ requires the "new" mats, the writ requires far fewer items to be made. See screenshot.



Also note that I picked up these writs in Wrothgar. I'm not sure if the Craglorn writs have changed or not.

Edit: I abandoned the writ and went to Craglorn. The writs were the higher material as well. Personally I think the writ should be for the material of the Zone in which you pick it up. Also the turn-in should be in that zone!

Dominoid wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I haven't tested out this part of the PTS yet but if I am reading correctly... new writs require the new material? If that's the case the new nodes should spawn way more then people are saying they are. I get you want us to grind this crap out BUT I am NOT spending 5 hours a day farming just to do a couple of writs a day. As a crafter that sucks. As a player, that sucks.

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I cant wait to try this out on PTS. Just dont have the time atm.

I like the idea of scaling to passive, but what concerns me reading these comments are writs. If writs use these artificially rare mats how are we suppose to actually do them?

Currently the system works; I farm mats for an 1-2 hrs and have enough to do the equipment writs. Question for those who have actually farmed there: how long would I need to farm to get enough mats for a writ?

It's important to note that IF a writ requires the "new" mats, the writ requires far fewer items to be made. See screenshot.



Also note that I picked up these writs in Wrothgar. I'm not sure if the Craglorn writs have changed or not.

Edit: I abandoned the writ and went to Craglorn. The writs were the higher material as well. Personally I think the writ should be for the material of the Zone in which you pick it up. Also the turn-in should be in that zone!

Thank you for this!

So a bit less than half of what I currently farm for mats that drop about 20% of the time from the nodes there. Seems doable, maybe every other day which I'm okay with.

Love your idea for writs scaling to the zone!

When I made my first post I had not taken my crafter here so I've got to amend my comment slightly.

ZOS, I know its your game and you are going to do what you want, but for my input:

1) If you leave nodes scaled to crafting experience then all nodes should produce leveled items, including the shiny new essence rune having the same chance of dropping as any other essence rune.

2) If at some point you decide to change it to scale off of character level then make the new mats drop like they do now.

I like the first way better but at least the second way offers a bit of advantage to folks who like to farm.

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Well, I went directly to the PTS after I posted so for the past hour I have been in Wrothgar searching for any sign of anything other than void/night and was found wanting. An entire hour scouring and not one piece of rubi-anything! lol

Edit, and yes I have everything in crafting maxed out

It's there. I didn't find anything for the first 30 minutes or so either. But they're around. Mostly they're off the beaten path and sometimes in rather obscure places. The ore node isn't as big as the voidstone node if I recall correctly so it can be hard to see. All three are reddish in color and it seemed to me the wood was easier to find than the others.

Dominoid wrote: »

It's important to note that IF a writ requires the "new" mats, the writ requires far fewer items to be made. See screenshot.

I noticed the reduced amount of things you need to craft as well, and when I first picked up the writs I thought that might be doable without too much of a hassle. But after nearly two hours of searching Wrothgar for the new mats I'm left with 10 ore, 12 silk, 6 wood and 1 leather raw material (will be even less once it's refined). So good luck to anyone who plans to farm those mats there. It's boring as f*** and whoever came up with the idea that the old mats are all over the place should really think about that decision. The fact that you need a ton of material to craft V16 apparently was not enough of a grind ...

Enodoc wrote: »

I also agree that having lower VR mats drop for players with maxed crafting is silly. But having the lower mats there in general, since it's a zone for all levels (and therefore all crafting abilities), is a good idea.

You can always go back to another zone if you need lower level materials, they could connect the ability to find new mats with your level and/or veteran rank additionally to your crafting passives or whatever. In my opinion it's just another slap in the face of dedicated crafters. I have been doing all equipment crafting writs on three vet characters for some time now and it's very easy to do that. I actually like to go out and farm mats from time to time. But the last two hours I spent in Wrothgar trying to farm were just frustrating. I could have gotten more than 10 times the amount of old mats for which I have absolutely no use anymore.
I don't need to complete the top tier writs on two or even three chars like I'm doing now (only started doing that to get that glass motif) but it would be nice to be able to complete those on at least one character on a daily basis without having to farm for hours and hours/spend tons of gold in guild stores.

When they announced new nodes in Wrothgar I thought "yeah, finally, I'm sick of farming mobs in IC" but now it feels like there's no difference.

In a perfect world, I would have the nodes scale to either your character level or your craft skill level, whichever is higher. But if I were to choose one only I would rather them scale to your craft skill. I actually prefer the way it is set up now.

Yes, I understand that it screws over those who have mains that don't craft, but to solve that I would simply log onto my crafter and harvest accordingly. The battle-levelling should take care of the level gap, so it won't be like Craglorn where attracting the attention of mobs while harvesting on a low-level character means trouble. This seems better than the alternative, which would suggest that I grind my crafter up to V16 in order to get the highest tier of nodes. No, just no.

HOWEVER

ZOS, WHY IN THE WORLD have you made it such that those with 10/10 BS etc. have to use Rubedite tier materials in their writs? The tier 9 materials are already rather scarce and have such over-inflated prices, and the writs consume so much of them. No matter how you spin it, doing writs are a gold and material sink. I get that you need sinks to keep the game system healthy, but was there ever such an overabundance of tier 10 materials that another sink was necessary?

I already HATE the fact that you made acquiring the tier 10 materials such a boring and tedious grind, and I despise how you basically shafted crafters in the IC patch by making V16 equipment a enormous sink. I already don't like how you tied motifs to a horrendous double RNG grind system, and now you want to make it harder by making it use even rarer mats? So after the next patch to get the glass style I must grind for TV/ rare nodes RNG to grind the writ box RNG to grind the restorative resin RNG? I swear this is approaching "yo dawg" levels of RNGception.

I thought the material supply could have increased with the new zone having top tier nodes, at least that would be more fair. But nope, of course they have to be rare, even for those who dedicate 10/10 to their craft skills. ZOS, just make ALL nodes in Wrothgar scale to your skill level. Stop with this utter fake scarcity rubbish that forces mindless grinding. It didn't go well in the IC patch, and I highly doubt it will work here now.

A lot of different kinds of players were excited by the various aspects of IC, but this excitement soon died after the sheer amount of grind and RNG involved was revealed upon actually playing the game. DO NOT KILL THIS DLC with more of the same failed systems that didn't work before. If you blow this DLC ZOS, you will have successfully alienated every possible type of player in this MMO, from small and large group PVPer, to solo and group oriented PVEr.

Please learn from your mistakes ZOS. Make this game actually, you know, fun to play. No matter what your preferred style.

Thing is, they need to make this a viable way for those who do not have nor want IC, to obtain materials needed for writs AND high level armor. At this point it seems to me that IC is 1000% better for farming for mats. I can get drops all day long. For those who PVE strictly or who just don't have IC, this feels unbalanced.

Hagebutte wrote: »

So good luck to anyone who plans to farm those mats there. It's boring as f*** and whoever came up with the idea that the old mats are all over the place should really think about that decision. The fact that you need a ton of material to craft V16 apparently was not enough of a grind ...

This one thousand times!

Why on earth does a VR16 character NEED lower level mats?

A truly confounding idea and to whoever thought of it I would like to know your reasoning behind this?